Iraq's response

[anti machine]

You know, I can only imagine what the expressions on the faces of the UN inspectors and government pigs were when they were delivered dossiers the size of telephone books outlining all of Iraq's weapons information. The information, beautifully annotated I'm sure, which defies every accusation made by the U.S. government and that dip-shit president of ours, must have made Bush run for a corner to hide in. So what does he do to distract the attention of the American people whom he has been lying to for months? He fires some economic secretaries.

It brings a satisfying smile to my face. Ahhhh, if only the people would open their goddamn eyes.

[Angie]

Quote from anti machine: The information, beautifully annotated I'm sure, which defies every accusation made by the U.S. government and that dip-shit president of ours, must have made Bush run for a corner to hide in.Last I heard, Bush & Co. were in charge of err... photocopying... the document. Unfortunately, I think it more likely that Bush is laughing, not hiding.

(Edited by Angie at 12:26 am on Dec. 13, 2002)

[Iris]

Serves Bush right, but I'm not quite sure that he's going to call of the bombing. If he wants to bomb Iraq, I'm sure he'll find some other excuse.

[deimos]

I don't care wich excuse will serve for bush, anyway he should hurry!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

What?? Why should he bomb Iraq.

I rather want the overthrow of the regime by iraqi's than by greedy americans in search of oil.

The americans(army ,govern) have no right to put on step on iraqi soil.

[Corvus Corax]

Therefore it is just another invasion by US Imperialism.

[KaMpFeR]

Greedy americans in for more oil you say?

While i am a American and do not argue with any of the oppions that you all present here, i do wish to point out that is was Sadam who invaded Kuwait in 1991 for that very same thing, oil.

I also agree with the oppinion of getting rid of the regime in Iraq, but the problem with that is like most uprisings, they are brutally crushed by the goverment.

In 1991 when the then senior Bush was president, he told the people to rise up against Sadam, with them thinking we would support them in a military nature.

That did not happen, and thanks to a little trick of allowing the use of helicopters to still be used when the cease fire was declared, Sadam brutally killed and crushed all resistance in Iraq before a popular uprising could even begin.

[Iris]

If the US REALLY wanted Sadam out of the picture, they had a chance during the last bombing. Hell with the CIA involved they could kill him in a matter of days.
So Bush wants to bomb Iraq because he wants freer access to it's oil (he's already getting a lot of the illegaly exported oil, despite of the embargo) So Sadam invaded Kuwait for the same reason. That's all very well, but what about all of the innocent civilians that get murdered in all this competition? What about all the Iraqui people who suffer because of the lack of medicine due to the embargo?
Are everyday people like you and me just a few "unimportant souls" who were unlucky enough to be born in those countries? Aren't governments meant to defend and value those people's lives over any kind of oil competition? I am aware of the importance of oil, but I am also aware of the importance people's lives have. If it wasn't for people, oil would be worthless.
If our so-called "democratic governments" don't defend people's rights (let alone people's lives) how dare they call themselves "governments".

[KaMpFeR]

I agree with you most certinly, but i also ask you this...

You speak of the innocent people of Iraq who suffer from lack of medicine due to the embargo, again relating back to the 1991 Gulf war, what about the Kuwati's who were tortured and murdered as the Iraqi's raped and plundered Iraq, or how they took babies out of their incubators and left them to die?

And also, about medicine and things kept from the Iraq people due to the embargo, what about funds sent for humanitarian aid that some how end up as part of the military programs Saddam has going?

What about the millions of dollars that Russia recently gave to Iraq, where did this money go? To hospitals, the people, to a better housing project? How about weapons programs? That sounds like Saddam's usual way...

I'm not here to defend the US goverments current wish for a war with Iraq, but i am pointing out things to show that the problem is not that the US wants to invade Iraq, it's the reason that the US wants to invade Iraq, Saddam.

[KaMpFeR]

Raped and plundered Kuwait, my appolagies for my typo...

[Pete]

"While i am a American and do not argue with any of the oppions that you all present here, i do wish to point out that is was Sadam who invaded Kuwait in 1991 for that very same thing, oil."

Kuwait was alway part of the Iraq that was once a British Colony. When Iraq was granted independance Kuwait was kept, limiting Iraq to a 25km coastline. So Iraq felt they must retake this land. They told the UN what they were going to do. No one protested. Then when the Iraqi troops entered Kuwait the American Propaganda machine kicked in spreading the lies about the babies being killed (which have been proven false) and moved thier troops in.

All war in Iraq that is not a popular revolution is American Bullshit.

[KaMpFeR]

I do not need you to give me a history lesson over Kuwait and Iraq, anyone with an encyclopedia could have told me this which i already know.

The Iraqi's allowed a team from CNN to go to Kuwait and use them to discredit those claims which were made by Kuwati's themselves who got out before the invasion. When the CNN people started to get nosy and asking a few too many questions the iraqi's cut them off and kicked them outa Kuwait, now why would them want to do that if it was all bullshit? Why not let them report the truth? Hmmm.....

You seem to be real critical of Americans in general, so back off ok. I don't support EVERYTHING my govement does or has done, but don't get all pissy at me, i don't run the damn thing.

Hell Thomas Jefferson thought that it was a good thing for a country to have a revolution every two hundred years, and we're overdue for one, and i FUCKING agree, so don't go labling me as a American imperialist.

ALL i'm saying is, Saddam needs to go, plain and simple. This is not the 1960's, the CIA even if they could get close could not take him out due to the ban preventing them to act in such a manner, besides they were not able to do it with fricking ten tries on Castro.

OK yeah i agree, the Gulf War was over oil, it's a bit hard to run a country like this with a madman controlling a good portion of the worlds oil. want the people to rise up against Saddam so we don't have to go and bomb the shit outa him, fine. Go over there and help the Kurds in Northern Iraq, ok. Don't ***** at me over a decision i had NOTHING to do with, i was fucking 9 for Christs sake.

People say they want peace and they want the United States to mind it's own business and to leave other countires alone. And when things get bad and something needs to be done to bring about changes people cry and scream, "Help save us the world is going to hell" and then when we do get involved its seen as imperialism.

Ok, we've made some mistakes, we've gotten involved in a few too many things that we should not have, but i guess it's just our time to be the whipping boys for the rest of the World. In ancient times it was the Romans, in colonial times it was all of Europe, especially England.

In the early 1900's it was Germany, then it was the Soviet Union, and now the United States.

*sighs*.........i respect people to their oppinions, but Christ guys, give us a break. We have enough to deal with with murders and phychos here in the states, drugs, corrupt politicans, hate groups, lack of funds, terrorist attacks, public education crisis, oil shortages, etc etc etc without the rest of the world hating us because we're the biggest fucking target!

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from KaMpFeR on 3:54 pm on Dec. 12, 2002
how they took babies out of their incubators and left them to die?

im sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but what you said above is not true. I will now quote Ron David in his book Arabs and Israel, in the section entitled The Two Gulf Wars-the war in America and the War in Iraq:
"False Advertising
What set a lot of people off against Saddam Hussein and for Kuwait was an emotional pitch by a lady about Iraqui soldiers ripping babies out of incubators and smashing their heads against a wall. It was revealed after the war-it was even in TV Guide-that this lady was a kuwaiti movie actress (she may also have been the Kuwaiti Ambassadors duahgter!) but they got away with it. The entire scam was put together by an Advertising Agency."

If america forces regime change in Iraq, the new leader will be just as "bad" as Suddam in reality, but in america he will be hailed since he will allow us more oil than is allowed through saddam. any regime change that is not done through the power of the Iraqi people will not change anything.

[Pete]

Comrade Kampfer, I think you've been on this site a bit to long when you wrote that email. I have friends that are American, I don't hate people because they are American or because they are British or whatever. I just strongly disagree with your government. I also agree completely with what Comrade Abastractmetality has to say as well. But it was not the Americans who began this propaganda. The British government used it at the start of WWI. The "bouncing belgium babies' stories. I do not mind offending people, it is what happens, but I am sorry you took what I said really the wrong way.

[Iris]

Firstly when I blame Bush for all the innocents that died in the name of "national security" or "global security", that doesn't mean that I think Sadam was right in invading Kuwait. Just because you're against something diesn't mean that you have to be in favour of something else, contrary to popular belief. I think Sadam's motives in invading Kuwait were every bit imperealistic and fascist as Bush's are. Just because I'm against Bush, doesn't mean I'm in favour of Sadam, that is part of the propaganda bullsit we have been fed all our lives. things like "you're either with us or against us" don't apply in the real world.
Secondly, I don't give a damn about whatever motives our mad dictators have. I just want the world to be rid of them and rid of all the stupid wars fought over oil, money and control. I agree that Sadam has to get the boot, but so does Bush and vise-versa.
I know this isn't particulaly original, but we SO need a revolution, and unfortunately it isn't going to happen until things get completely out of control and become unbearable, and by then it just might be too late this time with all our nuclear toys in the game.