Is guerillablack racist against whites? [Archive]

MoscowFarewell

4th September 2005, 06:17

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Sep 4 2005, 05:02 AM--> (RedZeppelin @ Sep 4 2005, 05:02 AM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 08:57 PM
I'm talking about this moron saying

Thanks for the link homeboy, i'm glad mad black celebs are speaking out. Hopefully white people that listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.

Yeah, because that wasn't incredibly racist.
It wasn't.

Hopefully white people will listen to it and grasp the message. What's so racist about that? :unsure: [/b]
Its racist pointing out their white and saying they have sometimes nonsense music, that's directing that WHITE people have NONESENSE music, instead of saying hopefully people will listen from nonsense music. That was racist.

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th September 2005, 06:23

"their" could refer to either "black celebs" or "white people"
and saying that white people sometimes make nonsense music is not racist

gimme a fuckin break

MoscowFarewell

4th September 2005, 06:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:41 AM
"their" could refer to either "black celebs" or "white people"
and saying that white people sometimes make nonsense music is not racist

gimme a fuckin break
You know that's bullshit and you know what you mean. You may have not meant to be racist, but that was indirectly racist regardless. If my brother says, a majority of stolen TVs are stolen by Black people as a personnel opinion, that could be considered racist.

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th September 2005, 07:00

What did I say that could possibly be construed as racist?

Blaming crime on a particular race is entirely different from claiming that one race makes "nonsense" music.

MoscowFarewell

4th September 2005, 07:08

Sorry, mistake, I meant as to what he said, I was skimming through original and I could names mistake. And no its not, its still racist, the fact you point out a particular race for something that is seemingly insulting can be taken as racist.

Dr. Rosenpenis

4th September 2005, 07:10

There is nothing derogatory about "sometimes" making "nonsense" music.

MoscowFarewell

4th September 2005, 07:11

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:28 AM
There is nothing derogatory about "sometimes" making "nonsense" music.
But the fact he pointed that if some white people listened and such with their nonsense music does in fact seem racist. Replace it with black people and the person would be presumed as talking of rap, then that'd be taken racist even more so.

bunk

4th September 2005, 07:58

Hopefully white people that listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.

Black people listen to him as well

The Forum Idiot

4th September 2005, 09:14

I've read over the "racist" statement at least 5 times now and can't seem to see how its racist. But hey, I'm just that dumb annoying kid you all hate right? I'd say its not exactly PC but its not exactly racist. Stereotypical yes but not racist.

bunk

4th September 2005, 09:39

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 4 2005, 08:32 AM
I've read over the "racist" statement at least 5 times now and can't seem to see how its racist. But hey, I'm just that dumb annoying kid you all hate right? I'd say its not exactly PC but its not exactly racist. Stereotypical yes but not racist.
Not racist but ignorant, arrogant, and not progressive

Intifada

4th September 2005, 16:39

Guerillablack's comment was not at all racist.

Get off his case.

bunk

4th September 2005, 16:44

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:57 PM
Guerillablack's comment was not at all racist.

Get off his case.
yes it was, he was implying that only stupid white people listen to Kanye west which is false

Intifada

4th September 2005, 16:52

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 04:41 AM
Thanks for the link homeboy, i'm glad mad black celebs are speaking out. Hopefully white people that listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.
Read his original statement.

It does not imply that at all.

He only hopes that the white people who listen to such music realise that Bush doesn't care about blacks.

Redmau5

4th September 2005, 17:01

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 12:30 AM
You're a fucking idiot. I can't believe you're still here, just look how damned racist you sound, "white people who listen to their nonsense music". Are you fucking kidding me? Your dumbass should've been restricted a long ass time ago.
You're always running your mouth to people like you're somehow superior. Drop the arrogance, because you wouldn't talk like that to guerillablack if he was sitting in front of you, so don't try and and act hard when you're on the internet.

bunk

4th September 2005, 17:15

He only hopes that the white people who listen to such music realise that Bush doesn't care about blacks.

He makes out that only white people listen to him which is clearly false

Intifada

4th September 2005, 17:26

He makes out that only white people listen to him which is clearly false

No he doesn't.

He simply mentioned white people that listen to him.

There is nothing in his statement that implies that only white people listen ti his music.

bed_of_nails

4th September 2005, 19:23

There is nothing racist there. He hopes white people listen to the music of loud black musicians.

guerillablack

4th September 2005, 19:52

Originally posted by Intifada+Sep 4 2005, 11:10 AM--> (Intifada @ Sep 4 2005, 11:10 AM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 04:41 AM
Thanks for the link homeboy, i'm glad mad black celebs are speaking out. Hopefully white people that listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.
Read his original statement.

It does not imply that at all.

He only hopes that the white people who listen to such music realise that Bush doesn't care about blacks. [/b]
Basically.

Cant believe theres almost a page full of posts debating what i said. It's not that difficult.

RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT

4th September 2005, 21:40

there was nothing racist about gueerillablack's comment i think that the problem is coming from point of view ...im not saying that ppl of colour will get a better grasp of this topic then white ppl .. but we do seem to see things a bit differently (that’s what I am seeing from the division in this post )... we should really get back on to the real topic ;) ...

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 21:57

Okay, you fucking morons, here it is:

He said
"hopefully white people who listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.

Now, if I said...
"hopefully, black people who listen to their nonsense rap music, will listen to my rock with a message", then I'd be construed as a racist piece of shit. Not only is that racist, but is stereotypical in the respect that it claims all black people listen to rap.

All of you morons saying "That wasn't racist!" need to go back and read what the fuck he said. If it was a white person saying something to a black person along the same lines, they would automatically be called racist.

Oh, and "Makaveli05", quit being such a dick. You do not know half of what you're talking about, quit defending guerillaracist, I mean guerillablack.

"Drop the arrogance"? How about this fucking douchebag drops the racist comments and his thought that rap is somehow superior to rock/ "white nonsense music" (gee, sounds racist, doesn't it?), and the thought that rap has a "real ass" message.

What he said was overtly racist, quit denying it.

There is nothing derogatory about "sometimes" making "nonsense" music.

Quit bullshitting! You goddamned well know that saying "white people listen to nonsense music" is RACIST. I can't believe you're a mod.

Oh, really? Too bad that's not what he said, dumbass. I believe the exact quote was
"hopefully white people who listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message".

Now, If I were to say "black people listen to nonsense music!" then that would be RACIST. The door swings both ways, *****.

Josh and MoscowFarewell were correct in saying it was racist, I don't know why you idiots are defending guerillablack (not to mention that he has said some pretty stupid things in the past).

Eastside Revolt

4th September 2005, 22:12

Please shut your trap son.

When someone says "white people who...", that means "white people who....", not "all white people".

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 22:17

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:30 PM
Please shut your trap son.

When someone says "white people who...", that means "white people who....", not "all white people".
Okay, what about "black people who listen to rap and steal things"? That's extremely racist, as well as stereotypical, and I don't think you would debate that.

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude. Just because I raise a good point against a racist-defending mod, doesn't mean I have to "shut my trap".

Oh well, I guess there's always gonna be some racist idiots at every community, albeit racist towards white people.

Eastside Revolt

4th September 2005, 22:25

Originally posted by Ownthink+Sep 4 2005, 09:35 PM--> (Ownthink @ Sep 4 2005, 09:35 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 05:30 PM
Please shut your trap son.

When someone says "white people who...", that means "white people who....", not "all white people".
Okay, what about "black people who listen to rap and steal things"? That's extremely racist, as well as stereotypical, and I don't think you would debate that.

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude. Just because I raise a good point against a racist-defending mod, doesn't mean I have to "shut my trap". [/b]
You're damned right I wouldn't debate it, there's nothing really to debate. I would first look at who's mouth it was coming out of.

However it's completely irrelevant to the issue, there is no denying the generally white kids in the suburbs are the target audiences of the record companies. If someone is able to change their outlook on an issue, that would be a positive thing. That's what geurillablack was getting at. In fact wouldn't it be more racist for him not to care about the opinions of these people?

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 22:32

Originally posted by redcanada+Sep 4 2005, 05:43 PM--> (redcanada @ Sep 4 2005, 05:43 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 09:35 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 05:30 PM
Please shut your trap son.

When someone says "white people who...", that means "white people who....", not "all white people".
Okay, what about "black people who listen to rap and steal things"? That's extremely racist, as well as stereotypical, and I don't think you would debate that.

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude. Just because I raise a good point against a racist-defending mod, doesn't mean I have to "shut my trap".
You're damned right I wouldn't debate it, there's nothing really to debate. I would first look at who's mouth it was coming out of.

However it's completely irrelevant to the issue, there is no denying the generally white kids in the suburbs are the target audiences of the record companies. If someone is able to change their outlook on an issue, that would be a positive thing. That's what geurillablack was getting at. In fact wouldn't it be more racist for him not to care about the opinions of these people? [/b]
<_<

We're not even talking about caring for people's opinions. We're talking about what that moron said, which was that white people listen to "nonsense music" and that that specific rap had a "real ass message" (oh yeah, coming from the jesus freak moron that is Kanye West). And all of the sudden, one of you says "even though he is the very type of person we are battling against (religion wise), just because he happens to hate gay bashing makes him a great guy". NO. I know plenty of Religious people who have no problem with gays, but guess what, they're a bunch of delusioned idiots who will never accomplish anything, and who are held back by religion.

What guerillablack said had a definite racist tone to it. A few of you chose to defend that, one of you even pulling out the "you wouldn't say it to my face" line. 2 of you chose to defend my point of view that what he said was definitely racist and stereotypical, and you were right.

I think the argument is over for me. I pity those of you who believe that it's only racist when it's against a minority, but it's just fine when you say "white people listen to nonsense music, when they should be listening to my rap with a real ass message".

Smash all aspects of racism, not just racism against minorities. Racism, in any form, is bad.

Eastside Revolt

4th September 2005, 22:40

The posts reads: "white people that listen", not "white people listen". Is english your second language or something.

When I say, (and this is the truth) "black people who support the imperialist ventures of the American empire need to be smacked upside the head, and woken up" I garantee no one will give a shit. Just watch.......

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 22:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 05:58 PM
The posts reads: "white people that listen", not "white people listen". Is english your second language or something.

When I say, (and this is the truth) "black people who support the imperialist ventures of the American empire need to be smacked upside the head, and woken up" I garantee no one will give a shit. Just watch.......
"white people who listen to their sometimes music"

That makes it sound as if white people listen to nonsense music. End of fucking story.

Now if it were "people who have shitty taste in music" that would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT. There was no reason to add the "white people" in their. In fact, now that I think about it more, adding "white people" is so openly and blatantly racist it isn't even funny.

Guerillablack strikes me as a person who seems to think that black people are somehow superior to white people because they've been oppressed in the past.

Double Standards suck ass.

I'm done with this thread. Good day.

MoscowFarewell

4th September 2005, 22:56

Originally posted by Ownthink+Sep 4 2005, 10:01 PM--> (Ownthink @ Sep 4 2005, 10:01 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 05:58 PM
The posts reads: "white people that listen", not "white people listen". Is english your second language or something.

When I say, (and this is the truth) "black people who support the imperialist ventures of the American empire need to be smacked upside the head, and woken up" I garantee no one will give a shit. Just watch.......
"white people who listen to their sometimes music"

That makes it sound as if white people listen to nonsense music. End of fucking story.

Now if it were "people who have shitty taste in music" that would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT. There was no reason to add the "white people" in their. In fact, now that I think about it more, adding "white people" is so openly and blatantly racist it isn't even funny.

Guerillablack strikes me as a person who seems to think that black people are somehow superior to white people because they've been oppressed in the past.

Double Standards suck ass.

I'm done with this thread. Good day. [/b]
Completely agreed. Its trying to seem jusitified as nonracist by saying pointing out their race had nothing to do with it, and was just to point it out.

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 23:08

Originally posted by MoscowFarewell+Sep 4 2005, 06:14 PM--> (MoscowFarewell @ Sep 4 2005, 06:14 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:01 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 05:58 PM
The posts reads: "white people that listen", not "white people listen". Is english your second language or something.

When I say, (and this is the truth) "black people who support the imperialist ventures of the American empire need to be smacked upside the head, and woken up" I garantee no one will give a shit. Just watch.......
"white people who listen to their sometimes music"

That makes it sound as if white people listen to nonsense music. End of fucking story.

Now if it were "people who have shitty taste in music" that would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT. There was no reason to add the "white people" in their. In fact, now that I think about it more, adding "white people" is so openly and blatantly racist it isn't even funny.

Guerillablack strikes me as a person who seems to think that black people are somehow superior to white people because they've been oppressed in the past.

Double Standards suck ass.

I'm done with this thread. Good day.
Completely agreed. Its trying to seem jusitified as nonracist by saying pointing out their race had nothing to do with it, and was just to point it out. [/b]
At least someone in this thread is a rational thinker.

I do't want to piss anyone off (although it may be too late). I don't think this is all worth getting worked up over.

Comradely Regards,
Ownthink

:hammer:

Redmau5

4th September 2005, 23:27

Okay, you fucking morons,

Stop acting like you are somebody from the safety of your computer. If you were having a debate with someone face to face would you call them a "fucking moron"? I somehow doubt it.

Oh, and "Makaveli05", quit being such a dick.

How was I being a dick? Because I pointed out that you seem to have some sort of superior mentality which makes it OK for you to talk down to people? Get a fucking grip and stop insulting people just because you get your knickers in a twist.

You do not know half of what you're talking about, quit defending guerillaracist, I mean guerillablack.

I assure you, I do. Stop being such an elitist prick. And I wasn't defending guerillablack, I just happen to think his statement wasn't racist. I also think you're an arrogant fucker, who's nothing more than an internet warrior.

not to mention that he has said some pretty stupid things in the past

Oh yeah and you're posts have all been flawless. :lol:

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude

You're hardly one to speak about "holier than thou" attitudes. "Watch who you're calling son." Was that a threat to redcanada? If you're gonna look down on other people and act hard on the internet, don't expect people to treat you with much respect.

Funny how you can call people "idiots, "morons" and "dumbass", yet when someone says something to you, you get all uptight about it. :rolleyes:

coming from the jesus freak moron that is Kanye West

Would you call Martin Luther King Jnr. a "jesus freak moron"? Just because Kanye is a Christian doesn't mean he can't have some good political views.

they're a bunch of delusioned idiots

Do you know anyone that isn't an "idiot"?

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 00:02

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 06:45 PM

Okay, you fucking morons,

Stop acting like you are somebody from the safety of your computer. If you were having a debate with someone face to face would you call them a "fucking moron"? I somehow doubt it.

Oh, and "Makaveli05", quit being such a dick.

How was I being a dick? Because I pointed out that you seem to have some sort of superior mentality which makes it OK for you to talk down to people? Get a fucking grip and stop insulting people just because you get your knickers in a twist.

You do not know half of what you're talking about, quit defending guerillaracist, I mean guerillablack.

I assure you, I do. Stop being such an elitist prick. And I wasn't defending guerillablack, I just happen to think his statement wasn't racist. I also think you're an arrogant fucker, who's nothing more than an internet warrior.

not to mention that he has said some pretty stupid things in the past

Oh yeah and you're posts have all been flawless. :lol:

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude

You're hardly one to speak about "holier than thou" attitudes. "Watch who you're calling son." Was that a threat to redcanada? If you're gonna look down on other people and act hard on the internet, don't expect people to treat you with much respect.

Funny how you can call people "idiots, "morons" and "dumbass", yet when someone says something to you, you get all uptight about it. :rolleyes:

coming from the jesus freak moron that is Kanye West

Would you call Martin Luther King Jnr. a "jesus freak moron"? Just because Kanye is a Christian doesn't mean he can't have some good political views.

they're a bunch of delusioned idiots

Do you know anyone that isn't an "idiot"?
Acting like I'm somebody? Oh sorry, should I act like I'm nobody? Idiot.

Yes, I do swear at people to their face if they are indeed acting like a total moron.

Talk down people? How about being just a tad pissed at a bunch of idiots who happen to support a reverse racist. I'll say whatever the fuck I want, thank you very little.

Elitist prick? Yes, either that, or someone who hates racist and likes to explictitly and vocally express his distaste toward them and anybody who defends or supports them. I'm gonna go for the latter.

"I assure you that I do". Who's the holier than thou, elitist prick, know-it-all now, asshole?

Arrogant fucker? Internet warrior? Haha, please. Arrogant? Not really, just angry. "Internet warrior"? I'm just gonna skip over this one. Anybody who calims that people they argue with over the Internet are cowards because they "hide behind their computer" is a fucking moron. Oops, I sweared at you, gonna call me a "Internet warrior" again?

Martin Luther King was indeed a great man who didn't take any racist shit. Was he held back by his stupid religious beliefs? I believe so. Oh wait, he also advocated NO RACISM, not REVERSE RACISM like guerillablack and his defenders do.

Kanye is a dipshit. 1) He believes in a God. Thus, to me, his opinions and views just went down the shitter. Anyone who believes in such a fallacy can't possibly hope to be taken seriously with realists (or Communists, for that matter). 2) He makes songs about "Diamonds From Sierre Leone", yet he is continually seen in public wearing diamonds and jewelry. When are you going to learn, Celebs have a personal agenda, it's called publicity, and the "in" thing now is for them to try and have some political affiliation, notice this came about with all the Bush bashing as of late. I stand by my original opinion that Kanye is an idiot.

I know quite a few people who aren't idiots. You don't happen to be one of them, but hey, they can't all be winners, can they?

Redmau5

5th September 2005, 00:46

Acting like I'm somebody? Oh sorry, should I act like I'm nobody? Idiot.

You know what I mean when I say somebody, and if you don't, then it's not me who is the idiot.

Yes, I do swear at people to their face if they are indeed acting like a total moron

I always have debates with people over serious political issues and things often get heated, but unlike you I don't act like a spoilt child, throw a tantrum and start insulting people.

Talk down people? How about being just a tad pissed at a bunch of idiots who happen to support a reverse racist. I'll say whatever the fuck I want, thank you very little.

Support? Nah, I don't "support" anyone on this site. I just think you're blowing this out of all proportion. And you can say whatever the fuck you want, but try showing some respect for people and maybe they'll respect you. You acted as if you were shocked when redcanada told you to shut your trap, yet you think it's OK for you to go around running your mouth? What was it you said? I think it was something like Double Standards suck ass.

Elitist prick? Yes, either that, or someone who hates racist and likes to explictitly and vocally express his distaste toward them and anybody who defends or supports them. I'm gonna go for the latter.

I hate racists as well, but what he said wasn't racist.

"I assure you that I do". Who's the holier than thou, elitist prick, know-it-all now, asshole

Why, because I know what im talking about? I'd like to think I knew what I was talking about or else i'd be confused as fuck all the time.

Anybody who calims that people they argue with over the Internet are cowards because they "hide behind their computer" is a fucking moron.

It has nothing to do with arguing, but it does have something to do with constantly insulting people because you know you'll never have to face them in real life. I don't know, maybe in your neighbourhood you can constantly go around spouting off insults to people and they won't do anything, but highly doubt that's the case. I doubt you're as hard as you act when you're talking to people on the internet.

Martin Luther King was indeed a great man

He was yes, but that's not what I asked you. I asked you whether you would call him a "jesus freak moron".

Kanye is a dipshit. 1) He believes in a God. Thus, to me, his opinions and views just went down the shitter. Anyone who believes in such a fallacy can't possibly hope to be taken seriously with realists (or Communists, for that matter).

There are many communists on this board who believe in god(s). So I suppose they can't be taken seriously? Get fucking off your high horse. Just because they believe in something doesn't mean they aren't as real a communist as you are.

He makes songs about "Diamonds From Sierre Leone", yet he is continually seen in public wearing diamonds and jewelry.

Yes, he wears conflict-free diamonds. The point of the song is to raise awareness of the blood diamond trade in Sierra Leone and to encourage people to buy diamonds that are conflict-free, thus shutting down the market for blood diamonds.

When are you going to learn, Celebs have a personal agenda, it's called publicity, and the "in" thing now is for them to try and have some political affiliation, notice this came about with all the Bush bashing as of late.

Not really, quite a few celebrites either support Bush or couldn't give a fuck about politics.

I stand by my original opinion that Kanye is an idiot.

You're an idiot.

I know quite a few people who aren't idiots.

Im sorry, but the people you dream up in your head don't count as "real people".

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 00:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:04 PM

Acting like I'm somebody? Oh sorry, should I act like I'm nobody? Idiot.

You know what I mean when I say somebody, and if you don't, then it's not me who is the idiot.

Yes, I do swear at people to their face if they are indeed acting like a total moron

I always have debates with people over serious political issues and things often get heated, but unlike you I don't act like a spoilt child, throw a tantrum and start insulting people.

Talk down people? How about being just a tad pissed at a bunch of idiots who happen to support a reverse racist. I'll say whatever the fuck I want, thank you very little.

Support? Nah, I don't "support" anyone on this site. I just think you're blowing this out of all proportion. And you can say whatever the fuck you want, but try showing some respect for people and maybe they'll respect you. You acted as if you were shocked when redcanada told you to shut your trap, yet you think it's OK for you to go around running your mouth? What was it you said? I think it was something like Double Standards suck ass.

Elitist prick? Yes, either that, or someone who hates racist and likes to explictitly and vocally express his distaste toward them and anybody who defends or supports them. I'm gonna go for the latter.

I hate racists as well, but what he said wasn't racist.

"I assure you that I do". Who's the holier than thou, elitist prick, know-it-all now, asshole

Why, because I know what im talking about? I'd like to think I knew what I was talking about or else i'd be confused as fuck all the time.

Anybody who calims that people they argue with over the Internet are cowards because they "hide behind their computer" is a fucking moron.

It has nothing to do with arguing, but it does have something to do with constantly insulting people because you know you'll never have to face them in real life. I don't know, maybe in your neighbourhood you can constantly go around spouting off insults to people and they won't do anything, but highly doubt that's the case. I doubt you're as hard as you act when you're talking to people on the internet.

Martin Luther King was indeed a great man

He was yes, but that's not what I asked you. I asked you whether you would call him a "jesus freak moron".

Kanye is a dipshit. 1) He believes in a God. Thus, to me, his opinions and views just went down the shitter. Anyone who believes in such a fallacy can't possibly hope to be taken seriously with realists (or Communists, for that matter).

There are many communists on this board who believe in god(s). So I suppose they can't be taken seriously? Get fucking off your high horse. Just because they believe in something doesn't mean they aren't as real a communist as you are.

He makes songs about "Diamonds From Sierre Leone", yet he is continually seen in public wearing diamonds and jewelry.

Yes, he wears conflict-free diamonds. The point of the song is to raise awareness of the blood diamond trade in Sierra Leone and to encourage people to buy diamonds that are conflict-free, thus shutting down the market for blood diamonds.

When are you going to learn, Celebs have a personal agenda, it's called publicity, and the "in" thing now is for them to try and have some political affiliation, notice this came about with all the Bush bashing as of late.

Not really, quite a few celebrites either support Bush or couldn't give a fuck about politics.

I stand by my original opinion that Kanye is an idiot.

You're an idiot.

I know quite a few people who aren't idiots.

Im sorry, but the people you dream up in your head don't count as "real people".
:lol:

RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT

5th September 2005, 01:57

lol you both got to chill out ur fighting about nothing ....Ownthink i think you have good views on the subject.. but i must say - with no means of trying to sound "superior " or what ever- your views on the effect of what religion plays on a persons credibility of their theories and ideologies is flawed ... and Makaveli_05 you are being way to defensive and Ownthink isn’t being an "internet warrior" ( what ever the fuck u called him ) at all he’s just expressing a highly emotionally charged view on a serious subject ......ahh im done :ph34r:

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 02:02

Originally posted by RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - [email protected] 4 2005, 09:15 PM
lol you both got to chill out ur fighting about nothing ....Ownthink i think you have good views on the subject.. but i must say - with no means of trying to sound "superior " or what ever- your views on the effect of what religion plays on a persons credibility of their theories and ideologies is flawed ... and Makaveli_05 you are being way to defensive and Ownthink isn’t being an "internet warrior" ( what ever the fuck u called him ) at all he’s just expressing a highly emotionally charged view on a serious subject ......ahh im done :ph34r:
I believe what Rabbit just said expresses my views on this whole thing. Good job, Rabbit.

Good Day to you all, no hard feelings guys.

The last thing us leftist need is seperation.

:hammer:

Dr. Rosenpenis

5th September 2005, 02:38

Here's a very relevent quote, IMO.

"...it is [the] system that promotes domination and subjugation. The prejudicial feelings some blacks may express about whites are in no way linked to a system of domination the affords us any power to coercively control the lives and well-being of white folks. That needs to be understood" - Bell Hooks

Pretty much the point is that racial prejudice against whites cannot be held in the same regards as the institutionalized oppression of minorities in the United States.

Raisa

5th September 2005, 03:09

See people, maybe if you would have asked him why he said that, then we could all learn something new. Or if you asked why he put it like that.....

But nah, we got to call each other fucking morons and shit.

guerillablack

5th September 2005, 03:20

Originally posted by redcanada+Sep 4 2005, 04:43 PM--> (redcanada @ Sep 4 2005, 04:43 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 09:35 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 05:30 PM
Please shut your trap son.

When someone says "white people who...", that means "white people who....", not "all white people".
Okay, what about "black people who listen to rap and steal things"? That's extremely racist, as well as stereotypical, and I don't think you would debate that.

Watch who you're calling "son" with your "holier than thou" attitude. Just because I raise a good point against a racist-defending mod, doesn't mean I have to "shut my trap".
You're damned right I wouldn't debate it, there's nothing really to debate. I would first look at who's mouth it was coming out of.

However it's completely irrelevant to the issue, there is no denying the generally white kids in the suburbs are the target audiences of the record companies. If someone is able to change their outlook on an issue, that would be a positive thing. That's what geurillablack was getting at. In fact wouldn't it be more racist for him not to care about the opinions of these people? [/b]
What is this kids' problem. Did i strike a nerve by speaking the truth?
It has been pointed out numerous times of what i said, not only by others but by ME.
Redcanada, got it, why can't you? Why are you chopping the sentence up to say something. I never said or implied white people listen to nonsense music. Their is referring to rap/hiphop artists. Nonsense music is basically commericial music, shake ya ass, kill this, N word that.

Why are you guys namecalling each other, you need to calm yourselves. RedZeppelin and others had excellent quotes.

praxis1966

5th September 2005, 03:28

Well, I was about to come on here and rip into some people for defending GB (when first I read the comment it sounded pretty bigoted to me, too). But in light of the above post, I'm will to give him the benefit of the doubt. It seems as though he was just misinterpreted.

Pretty much the point is that racial prejudice against whites cannot be held in the same regards as the institutionalized oppression of minorities in the United States.

Yes it can. Ultimately, while racist attitudes African-Americans may have towards European-Americans are slightly more understandable than the the reverse, they are none the less a barrier to achieving any sort of racial harmony in this country.

MoscowFarewell

5th September 2005, 03:55

Sounded indirectly racist to me.

Dr. Rosenpenis

5th September 2005, 04:06

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 09:46 PM
Yes it can. Ultimately, while racist attitudes African-Americans may have towards European-Americans are slightly more understandable than the the reverse, they are none the less a barrier to achieving any sort of racial harmony in this country.
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.

praxis1966

5th September 2005, 05:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:24 PM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
RZ, you're my boy and all, but I have to say that's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. If someone, black or white, walks around harboring racial animosity it's not exactly conducive to working class unity now is it? Therefore, if something is counter-conducive to working class unity (a necessary precursor to working class revolution I'm sure you'll agree) it is by definition reactionary, per se. Nevermind that prejudice of any kind is inherintly dehumanizing, which is something, last I checked, we were supposed to be opposed to!

MoscowFarewell

5th September 2005, 06:01

Inequality and racism are opposition to radical leftist ideas. Just as sexism is.

bunk

5th September 2005, 07:48

never said or implied white people listen to nonsense music. Their is referring to rap/hiphop artists. Nonsense music is basically commericial music, shake ya ass, kill this, N word that.

Millions of black people listen to commercial music also

Dr. Rosenpenis

5th September 2005, 09:21

Originally posted by praxis1966+Sep 4 2005, 11:43 PM--> (praxis1966 @ Sep 4 2005, 11:43 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 10:24 PM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
RZ, you're my boy and all, but I have to say that's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. If someone, black or white, walks around harboring racial animosity it's not exactly conducive to working class unity now is it? Therefore, if something is counter-conducive to working class unity (a necessary precursor to working class revolution I'm sure you'll agree) it is by definition reactionary, per se. Nevermind that prejudice of any kind is inherintly dehumanizing, which is something, last I checked, we were supposed to be opposed to! [/b]
You're missing the point, praxis. One form of descrimination involves the oppression of a race. The other does not.

I'm talking about the larger scope of things... white prejudice against minorities contributes to a ruling class agenda. Minority prejudice against whites does the opposite.

Yes, it's not conducive to class unity, and indirectly works against the working class movement.... but they're still two entirely different things. One is adding to an institutionalized oppression and the other is retaliating against it.

I find it extremely unfair to judge both equally.

Redmau5

5th September 2005, 11:12

:lol:

It must have taken you ages to come up with that constructive response Ownthink. Well at least it makes a change from "fucking idiot" and "fucking moron". :rolleyes:

And Rabbit, I wasn't being too defensive. I just hate they way Ownthink thinks he has to continually insult people the whole way through his "arguments". I don't come on here to take grief from someone who acts hard on the internet, I come on to have a decent leftist discussion. And im sure the vast majority of other people who post do as well.

Is it really that hard for you to show people some respect?

Jesus Christ!

5th September 2005, 18:52

For those who don't think it's racist lets put it the other way around. What if I were to say " Black people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message." You would all be on my ass for being a bigot.

Intifada

5th September 2005, 19:01

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!@Sep 5 2005, 06:10 PM
For those who don't think it's racist lets put it the other way around. What if I were to say " Black people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message." You would all be on my ass for being a bigot.
Your argument is flawed simply because that is not what guerillablack was saying (of course, he was also referring to blacks).

He wrote:

Hopefully white people that listen to their sometimes nonsense music will listen to this real ass message.

That does not translate into:

White people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message

He wrote that those white people who listen to his music should also realise and recognise the truism that the US government does not care about black people.

MoscowFarewell

5th September 2005, 20:35

It is basically the same. Just gentler.

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 21:05

Originally posted by Jesus Christ!@Sep 5 2005, 02:10 PM
For those who don't think it's racist lets put it the other way around. What if I were to say " Black people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message." You would all be on my ass for being a bigot.
Yep. The color of their skin was not needed, and adding that small part makes it sound racist, whether you like it or not.

Oh, and Makaveli, I always have some decent input into leftist discussion, I'm not a troll or anything. Read my posts, I'm not immature either, I just call bullshit when I see it, and some peple don't like me for that.

Like I said, I meant no harm, it's just it sounded really racist to me, so I called it. The lone fact that other people agreed with me and thought that saying "white people who xxxxx" (essentially adding the race to the comment) was racist as well. I am not alone in this, so I know it's not just me.

I hold no grudge.

Redmau5

5th September 2005, 21:11

Originally posted by Ownthink+Sep 5 2005, 08:23 PM--> (Ownthink @ Sep 5 2005, 08:23 PM)
Jesus Christ!@Sep 5 2005, 02:10 PM
For those who don't think it's racist lets put it the other way around. What if I were to say " Black people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message." You would all be on my ass for being a bigot.
Yep. The color of their skin was not needed, and adding that small part makes it sound racist, whether you like it or not.

Oh, and Makaveli, I always have some decent input into leftist discussion, I'm not a troll or anything. Read my posts, I'm not immature either, I just call bullshit when I see it, and some peple don't like me for that.

Like I said, I meant no harm, it's just it sounded really racist to me, so I called it. The lone fact that other people agreed with me and thought that saying "white people who xxxxx" (essentially adding the race to the comment) was racist as well. I am not alone in this, so I know it's not just me.

I hold no grudge. [/b]
I have no problem with your views, just the way you express them sometimes.

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 21:19

Originally posted by Makaveli_05+Sep 5 2005, 04:29 PM--> (Makaveli_05 @ Sep 5 2005, 04:29 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 08:23 PM

Jesus Christ!@Sep 5 2005, 02:10 PM
For those who don't think it's racist lets put it the other way around. What if I were to say " Black people need to stop listening to their nonsense music and listen to something with a message." You would all be on my ass for being a bigot.
Yep. The color of their skin was not needed, and adding that small part makes it sound racist, whether you like it or not.

Oh, and Makaveli, I always have some decent input into leftist discussion, I'm not a troll or anything. Read my posts, I'm not immature either, I just call bullshit when I see it, and some peple don't like me for that.

Like I said, I meant no harm, it's just it sounded really racist to me, so I called it. The lone fact that other people agreed with me and thought that saying "white people who xxxxx" (essentially adding the race to the comment) was racist as well. I am not alone in this, so I know it's not just me.

I hold no grudge.
I have no problem with your views, just the way you express them sometimes. [/b]
Well, I think it's best for all involved if we just let this thread die.

praxis1966

5th September 2005, 21:56

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 03:39 AM
You're missing the point, praxis. One form of descrimination involves the oppression of a race. The other does not.

I'm talking about the larger scope of things... white prejudice against minorities contributes to a ruling class agenda. Minority prejudice against whites does the opposite.

Yes, it's not conducive to class unity, and indirectly works against the working class movement.... but they're still two entirely different things. One is adding to an institutionalized oppression and the other is retaliating against it.

I find it extremely unfair to judge both equally.
No, I think I understood completely what you meant, but I still disagree. And, now that I think about it, I think you've probably internalized a little racism yourself.

Your whole argument, that if an African-American has racist attitudes it in no way contributes to oppression, is based on the assumption that African-Americans have absolutely no political or economic authority in this country. While on the whole this might be true, the logic doesn't hold up in places like, say, Atlanta where the overwhelming majority of the population is African-American. All the major local political offices are held by African-Americans there, and there are a good number of African-Americans who own businesses. My point is this: Don't you think that in places like Atlanta, where African-Americans have law making ability and decide who to hire and who not to that any anti-white racism might be somehow dangerous?

At any rate, it is completely fair to judge anti-white racist attitudes that minorities might have the same way we would European-Americans who are racists. The fact is, it's totally unacceptable, I don't care what the color of your skin is. To argue otherwise is hypocritical.

Phalanx

7th September 2005, 01:44

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 03:24 AM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
Athough I don't even believe GuerrillaBlack's comments were racist, I have to say, this one is. I just don't see how one type of racism is somehow 'less evil' than the other. Is it okay for Palestinians to hate Jews, just because the system happens to be Jewish? Is it okay for Muslims to hate Hindus, because of the system that happens to be Hindu? I have to have a better explanation.

Eastside Revolt

7th September 2005, 06:01

Originally posted by RedZeppelin+Sep 5 2005, 08:39 AM--> (RedZeppelin @ Sep 5 2005, 08:39 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 11:43 PM

[email protected] 4 2005, 10:24 PM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
RZ, you're my boy and all, but I have to say that's about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. If someone, black or white, walks around harboring racial animosity it's not exactly conducive to working class unity now is it? Therefore, if something is counter-conducive to working class unity (a necessary precursor to working class revolution I'm sure you'll agree) it is by definition reactionary, per se. Nevermind that prejudice of any kind is inherintly dehumanizing, which is something, last I checked, we were supposed to be opposed to!
You're missing the point, praxis. One form of descrimination involves the oppression of a race. The other does not.

I'm talking about the larger scope of things... white prejudice against minorities contributes to a ruling class agenda. Minority prejudice against whites does the opposite.

Yes, it's not conducive to class unity, and indirectly works against the working class movement.... but they're still two entirely different things. One is adding to an institutionalized oppression and the other is retaliating against it.

I find it extremely unfair to judge both equally. [/b]
The fact is that no one has the right to discriminate on anyone based on their appearance.

I'd imagine in florida you see alot of institutionalised racism. You probably find that most or many in the white population harbour racist thoughts without even realising it based on their position in society. This still doesn't mean that all white people are worthy of attack, verbally, or otherwise.

guerillablack

7th September 2005, 17:21

Originally posted by Chinghis Khan+Sep 6 2005, 08:02 PM--> (Chinghis Khan @ Sep 6 2005, 08:02 PM)
[email protected] 5 2005, 03:24 AM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
Athough I don't even believe GuerrillaBlack's comments were racist, I have to say, this one is. I just don't see how one type of racism is somehow 'less evil' than the other. Is it okay for Palestinians to hate Jews, just because the system happens to be Jewish? Is it okay for Muslims to hate Hindus, because of the system that happens to be Hindu? I have to have a better explanation. [/b]
No, you don't even know what racism is. His words may be discriminatory, but racist?No.

Nothing Human Is Alien

7th September 2005, 18:46

<_<

What else is new?

guerillablack has been posting with not-so-subtile racist undertones since he got here..

Eastside Revolt

7th September 2005, 19:37

Originally posted by guerillablack+Sep 7 2005, 04:39 PM--> (guerillablack @ Sep 7 2005, 04:39 PM)
Originally posted by Chinghis [email protected] 6 2005, 08:02 PM

[email protected] 5 2005, 03:24 AM
Both are obviously ignorant and prejudicial, but descrimination against whites does not contribute to racial oppression and is therefore not reactionary, per se.

It probably is, indirectly, but it is not part of an agenda of subjugation, so it does not instrinsically work against communist revolution.
Athough I don't even believe GuerrillaBlack's comments were racist, I have to say, this one is. I just don't see how one type of racism is somehow 'less evil' than the other. Is it okay for Palestinians to hate Jews, just because the system happens to be Jewish? Is it okay for Muslims to hate Hindus, because of the system that happens to be Hindu? I have to have a better explanation.
No, you don't even know what racism is. His words may be discriminatory, but racist?No. [/b]
Descrimination based on race (yes that includes hating all members of a race of wich some are or were opressors) is racism.

It's not institutionalized racism, or systematic racism, but it's racism.