Revolutionary Communist Party Of Canada

[donnie_middel1]

so has anyone heard of them? i stumbled across them tonite and they seem to have something that none of the major communist parties have, a need for revolution, what does everyone think of them?

[Purple]

I just moved to Canada, and is very interesting about knowing about them! Ill search for their official web site!

[donnie_middel1]

no worries man i have thier web site i was just wondering what ppl thought of them

[Purple]

http://www.communist-party.ca/

I dont percieve Canada as a country in need for a revolution! At least in Toronto where I live it doesnt seem like there is a lot of poor people, I am yet to see any signs of cultural discrimination! I support them very highly for fighting for their causes, within the top political level, but I dont think a revolution is necessary, or realistic, in a country like Canada! But still they have to be heard!

[donnie_middel1]

no man stay away from the communist party of canada ,

http://www.pcr-rcpcanada.org/

or the marxist-leninist party

www.cpcml.ca

[More Fire for the People]

The Marxist-Leninist party of Canada is reformists and I'm highly skeptical of Maoism in the Third World, but even attempting it in the First World? -- What are these dolts thinking about?

[donnie_middel1]

no i think u are mistking, the marixist-leninist part is a stalinist party

[kurt]

Actually, the YCL and CPC are slowly becoming more active in Canada, showing up to picket lines, etc.

The YCL celebrates it's 2nd birthday since it's reformation on the 10th, and there is a rally for labour day tomorrow.

[More Fire for the People]

No, they are quite the reformists as their "programme" seems to be accomplished via a parliamentary path.

[donnie_middel1]

is the cpc and ycl not within the same party, iam sorry but i find the cpc and their groups very revsionnist, i was a member and left because of thier actiond toward the CPQ

[JC1]

I dont percieve Canada as a country in need for a revolution! At least in Toronto where I live it doesnt seem like there is a lot of poor people, I am yet to see any signs of cultural discrimination! I support them very highly for fighting for their causes, within the top political level, but I dont think a revolution is necessary, or realistic, in a country like Canada! But still they have to be heard!

Ummm ... I can assure you that there is gross racism against immigrants, Qebecouis folks, and First Nations peoples. Also, as a person of canada I can tell you that reveloution is nessecary, indeeed, many rural area's in canada are classified as third world. Ineed, I had entertained the company of a freind from a bad neighberhood in atlanta, and brought him to MY neigboorhood (The North End of winnipeg (2nd poorest neighboorhood in Canada) and he was I guess you could say "impressed" with the level of misery here. "I thought Canada was a good country" he said after I took him on a tour.



No, they are quite the reformists as their "programme" seems to be accomplished via a parliamentary path.

As a CPCer, I can tell you this is false. However, I can say our party is not opposed to participation in parliment as a tactic.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 07:17 PM


I dont percieve Canada as a country in need for a revolution! At least in Toronto where I live it doesnt seem like there is a lot of poor people, I am yet to see any signs of cultural discrimination! I support them very highly for fighting for their causes, within the top political level, but I dont think a revolution is necessary, or realistic, in a country like Canada! But still they have to be heard!

Ummm ... I can assure you that there is gross racism against immigrants, Qebecouis folks, and First Nations peoples. Also, as a person of canada I can tell you that reveloution is nessecary, indeeed, many rural area's in canada are classified as third world. Ineed, I had entertained the company of a freind from a bad neighberhood in atlanta, and brought him to MY neigboorhood (The North End of winnipeg (2nd poorest neighboorhood in Canada) and he was I guess you could say "impressed" with the level of misery here. "I thought Canada was a good country" he said after I took him on a tour.



No, they are quite the reformists as their "programme" seems to be accomplished via a parliamentary path.

As a CPCer, I can tell you this is false. However, I can say our party is not opposed to participation in parliment as a tactic.
:( I disagree. There is racism against Native Indians, there is as much discrimination against Quebecois as there is against Anglophones in Quebec!

I live in Alberta which is mainly rural, outside of the Calgary - Edmonton corridor, and I have travelled extensively throughout North America, Europe, Carribbean, including Cuba, and nowhere do I see any poverty close to third world conditions in rural Canada! I have seen poverty on Reserves, but that is a whole other topic.

[kurt]

Originally posted by Diego [email protected] 5 2005, 02:53 PM
No, they are quite the reformists as their "programme" seems to be accomplished via a parliamentary path.
Actually, not really, they are committed to revolution, but see no reason to not engage in parliamentary tactics as well.

Of course.. they are a leninist party, so I wouldn't personally be joining, but I think you need to give them a little more credit :P

[Bannockburn]

I dont percieve Canada as a country in need for a revolution! At least in Toronto where I live it doesnt seem like there is a lot of poor people, I am yet to see any signs of cultural discrimination! I support them very highly for fighting for their causes, within the top political level, but I dont think a revolution is necessary, or realistic, in a country like Canada! But still they have to be heard!

I think your looking through Toronto with rose coloured classes mate. Toronto doesn't have poor people? Are you crazy, honestly? The homeless are countless, many people on the streets. There are entire neighbourhoods way bellow the national and Toronto poverty line.

Not a sign of cultural discrimination? I think you need to take off your classes bro, and reinvent your idea of what cultural discrimination is. Toronto, and Canada by far is one of the most highly segregated societies I have ever seen. Granted its not completely separate schools and washrooms, but the neighbourhoods are completely separate from one another. I think you're listening to way too much Canadian propaganda. Let me tell you what I mean.

One of the most highly structured term used for propaganda purposed within Canada has been tolerance. Etymologically speaking it has nothing to do how it is applied or used within government propaganda and indoctrination. Tolerance to begin with, came from the Latin “tolerans”. This meant, “to bear, endure”. It has, and always will have a negative connotation to it. It means, “to put up with”. To put up with essentially applies that there is an entity of force to endure and bear the burden of. “I must tolerate my little sister”, essentially means that I must put up with, against my own wishes, desire, or want from this negative aspect of my life. Or, used in another way, “my body has built up a tolerance”. Well what does that mean? Essentially that your body has grown a resistance to a substance. Resistance insofar that your body is trying to resist, or force the effect of the substance. Again, it still has a negative connection to the subject who is tolerating.
Thus, when Canadian politicians say we are a “tolerant” nation, it includes that we must, “put up with,” to “endure” and “to bear” the imposing subject. Be it, either a drug, or person.

When one must “endure” it means that it will resist without acceptance. Even “acceptance” is negative in Canadian usage. By saying “being accepted” “acceptance” it tacitly and automatically assumes that the one doing the accepting is in the position of a judgment to include, or exclude. That the accepting party is in the position of right to judge if it so chooses to include something, which by default was previously excluded. By already having a subject excluded, it already admits that we are discriminating against a previous exclusion. Thus, by “accepting” is assumes that the one in the position to accept is doing one a favor, or giving a gift. Well that is not the case with people. People are people and they don't have to be accepted simply on grounds that they are the same as myself.



Furthermore with Toronto. Its highly, highly segregated. Its already implicit within their so called celebrating of its “multi-culturalism”. Face it, we live within a duration of both time, space, and location. I'm currently within a segment of time, space and location when I sit in a chair. This location is away, and not apart of another location. Let's say across a street. I'm here, that's there. You can't be in two places at once. This is simple epistemological truism. I can't be both in my bed, and sitting on my couch. It would be a contradiction otherwise.

Now, with that being said, certain groups of people within a given ethnicity and culture are located within Toronto. We can see this empirically. There is little China, Little Italy, little Greek town, whatever. Well if I'm part of a group, say of Chinese, and live within little China, I'm essentially segregated from all the other aspects of Toronto. Its a form of voluntary (be it, that's questionable) segregation. . Granted, I can go to little Greek town. Yet, that's beside the point. A trust multi-cultural society would not have such distinctions and it would be mixed withing every given aspect of the city. For example, I would have a neighbor who is Chinese, my other neighbor be Greek, my other neighbor be English, the store across the street is Polish. That would be multi-cultural.

Its just like class is segregated. Rich neighbors are not near poor neighbors. Its the same thing is ethnicity. Yet, the propaganda begins, with its Orwellian doublespeak and used as a positive. Its Canadian propaganda and Canadian myth making. This is one thing that pisses me off about Canadians. They are so in tuned and think they are so in depth with American propaganda, and Canadian “moral superiority” that they can't even see their own. Its like the pot calling the kettle black. Before you criticize the splinter in my eye, take out the log in yours. This is when I pray for nuclear holocaust.

Basically that is what it comes down to. Its weird. I told my friends that, and they are like, “hey I never saw it like that before”. Well become most people can't dis spell illusions by themselves.

Now, Now, I know when you go to dictionary.com, or Wikipedia and say, “no you're wrong”. Well think about it? Look at the terminology and how it contradicts the etymological source. The word has been manipulated, changed and distorted. Its Newspeak in pure and unaltered form.

[Camarada]

let's be real here, in comparison with the United States, the country in which I live, Canada is great

ain't no doubt in my mind about that

[Bannockburn]

both has its pros and cons

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 03:26 AM
I dont percieve Canada as a country in need for a revolution! At least in Toronto where I live it doesnt seem like there is a lot of poor people, I am yet to see any signs of cultural discrimination! I support them very highly for fighting for their causes, within the top political level, but I dont think a revolution is necessary, or realistic, in a country like Canada! But still they have to be heard!
What has being poor got to do with revolution?

It doesn't matter how "in poverty" people are. Revolution is not about poor people rising up against rich people, it's about working class people abolishing wage slavery. Any country where wage slavery exists is a country in need of a revolution.

[donnie_middel1]

yah canada is a amazing country but we have alot of improvments that have to be done, where i live in central ontario is brutal, the highest teen pregnancy rate in all of canada, the closest city belleville has the highest crime rate per capita, and the unemployment percentage is %20,

i think that in terms of wheter we should be trying to start revolution, or trying to do it democartically, i think we need both , i mean u wont be succesfull in revoluiton alone, so u need the parliment to make ppl aware of us

[The Next One]

Bannokburn:

That was quite the essay you wrote there. I don't agree with a lot of it, it's mostly semantics and a very one-sided, jaded view of a city and a nation, but you sure had a lot to say.
However, in your view of Toronto and the segregation there, I can't help but notice if it is voluntary, like you said, then it isn't segregation. Also, there is no sign in Little Italy that says people of Non-talian heritage cannot live here; go to White town, or China town or whatever. Anyone in Toronto or anywhere else in Canada is free to live work or play anywhere they choose.
Also, I would find it very comforting as a person newly arriving in a big city like Toronto to know that there is a neighbourhood I can go to or live in where my culture is widespread and, for lack of a better word, dominant. A place where I would not have to explain why I am doing something that seems strange or exotic to my neighbours because my neighbours are doing all the same things.
My uncle lives in Toronto. He is white, his neighbours across the street are a Czech/French gay couple, a Thai family, and down the street, their good friends from India. They live on the edge of what is a Middle Eastern section of the city, but they have no issues of any sort with or from any of their neighbours. This is not an exceptional case.
Perhaps you had a bad time in Toronto. Go back and take of your jaded glasses and look again. It's a great city.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 03:01 PM
let's be real here, in comparison with the United States, the country in which I live, Canada is great

ain't no doubt in my mind about that
Oh fuck Canada man!

If I'm in a concentration camp, should I consider it a "great" thing that by balls aren't being pulled apart by plyers?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Exactly..

Why make excuses for the government of the country you live in?

[donnie_middel1]

Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 10:09 AM
Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA
:lol: Hip Hip Hooray!

I totally agree :)

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 04:09 PM
Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA
I'm sorry but I refuse to ever be nationalistic in any way shape, or form, towards this country again in my life.

This nation that has, and continues to commit genocide on it's native population. This nation that uses muticulturalism as a means of racial division.
This nation, brainwashed to believe that helicopter images over prosperous bisuness districts, and beautiful natural scenery, in anyway define what life in this country is like.

Fuck ice hockey, trudeau, blind hate for all americans, the concept that only northern european canadians are canadians(everybody else is first nations, french canadian, indo-canadian, etc.....), and learning french when everyone you know either speaks english, mandarin, or farsi.

[kurt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 04:09 PM
Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA
Wow, you truely are blind. Our government is indeed doing what they can; doing what they can to bust our unions and erode our social services! Martin is an idiot, and he's doing WHATEVER it takes to stay in power. Martin is a classic neo-liberal and it sickens me that you would respect him at all.

[donnie_middel1]

makes a hell of a lot more sense then to have no nations and borders and habe to share with the imperialists, ur right all that really do matter in canada to the eyes of the government is us european canadians, why? because we are the only ones who would go to fight hitler

[donnie_middel1]

ok i would just like to apologize for my past few posts, iam of european descent so i dont know what its like, to be racially put down by the government but i do see it, and i apologize for my comment as it was frustration thats it, and to make things even clearer i do not mean i support our pm or would vote for him, but he is our pm, i may not like it but we have to stand behins our nation for the time being until we achieve utopia, so i apologize again by my comments they were un called for and inappropiate and do not represent my veiws!!!,
VIVA LA REVOLUTION

[red_orchestra]

The Communist Party of Canada is a fine example to die-hard leftest ideology. I praise them! Canada as a nation maybe more progressive than some, but it needs some REAL work! We have a growing hate movement in our country, neoConservative infiltration, and a growing religious right movement which all needs to be CRUSHED! Canada is far from perfect.
http://www.communist-party.ca/images/cpc_leaf2.gif

[poster_child]

The CPC, if in power, would immediately seperate Quebec from the rest of Canada. I am a western Canadian who whould hate to see this happen. One of Canada's strengths is that we have so many different cultures living here. I would hate to lose this part of or heritage and culture. I personally believe that if Quebec were to seperate, other provinces would soon follow. Canada, as we know it, would be completely lost. As a British Columian, I do not want to join the United States. This is a very real possiblity, which could happen in my our lifetimes.

[kurt]

who wants a leninist party in power anyways :|.

Anyways, Canada is an imperialist nation contrary to what donnie_middel1 thinks.

[donnie_middel1]

fuk the cpc its a joke, cant even keep there own party united

[*Hippie*]

Also, as a person of canada I can tell you that reveloution is nessecary, indeeed, many rural area's in canada are classified as third world.

Very true comrade! I am in Prince Edward Island and I can tell you many parts of rural Atlantic Canada are very poor. In the summer, they try to hide it for tourist season, open the theme parks and beaches and it all looks great ~ once winter hits, forget about it. Half of the stores close because there is not enough business to keep them open. Our minimum wage is the lowest of all of Canada. Many people are only employed seasonally and then we get called "lazy" by the rest of Canada, that is if they acknowledge us at all! Blackouts are common also.
MANY conservative "redneck" types too. They don't realize they keep voting against the interests of themselves- against the interests of the working class. There were only 3 names on the ballot in the last federal election. I voted NDP, as far left as I could.
I am moving to Toronto in 2 weeks to search for a better living somehow. But from this thread, I see it is not much better.

I am sure it is no better in the territories up north either. I would support a revolution. I would be afraid of US intervention though.

[JC1]

The CPC, if in power, would immediately seperate Quebec from the rest of Canada. I am a western Canadian who whould hate to see this happen. One of Canada's strengths is that we have so many different cultures living here. I would hate to lose this part of or heritage and culture. I personally believe that if Quebec were to seperate, other provinces would soon follow. Canada, as we know it, would be completely lost. As a British Columian, I do not want to join the United States. This is a very real possiblity, which could happen in my our lifetimes.

The CPC does not suppourt sepratism, but we oppose your natinol chauvinism and we beleive that the Qebecouis have a right to define there own future. And a second question, who as a Communist cares about "Culture" or
"Heritage", but I do agree that we the working class would be in a weak position if the US took over.


I am sure it is no better in the territories up north either. I would support a revolution. I would be afraid of US intervention though.

Man, I know how you feel. I mean, just the other day my Homie wGregg was beatin' to death. Im sick and tyred of these apoligists for Capitalism tellin' me Canada's OK.

[Bannockburn]

However, in your view of Toronto and the segregation there, I can't help but notice if it is voluntary, like you said, then it isn't segregation.

sure it is. Voluntary or not, its still segregation. Put it this way, yes they certainly have a choice to move wherever they want in Toronto. No doubt, and there is no restrictions accordingly. However, a voluntary act implies a free choice and free action according to 2 or more options. Yet, a free choice also would imply that there is not an internal or external stimuli to persuade you towards certain decision. It should be limitless insofar as material conditions allow for you to go. With that being said, a new immigrant certainly has decisions to make. However, through various reasons internal and external, the conditions dictate the location of their living. Its still segregation, it may not be discriminatory, yet still segregated.


Also, there is no sign in Little Italy that says people of Non-talian heritage cannot live here; go to White town, or China town or whatever.

True. Its not compulsory whatsoever. Yet, if you reverse the conditions, then you still have the segregation accordingly. Its a form of bio-power, and bio-politics.


Also, I would find it very comforting as a person newly arriving in a big city like Toronto to know that there is a neighbourhood I can go to or live in where my culture is widespread and, for lack of a better word, dominant.

I think that proves my point actually. The feeling of domination and comfort dictates how you live. If it was a true multi ethnic, and true multi-cultural society, then that comfort would disseminate throughout the entire population. The Environment conditions the action, and at the same time enforces the system of segregation.


Perhaps you had a bad time in Toronto. Go back and take of your jaded glasses and look again. It's a great city.

Can't say I had a bad time in Toronto. I've been there multiple, multiple times. In fact, I live all of an hour away. Not even. Also, concerning your example of multi-ethnic living. True, that does happen in Toronto. It happens all throughout the GTA. I can grant that. Yet, it presupposes, that the conditions which I'm referring to, must be actual in order for the distinction of its opposite occurs.

RedCanada actually sees it too, “use multicultural as a means for racial division”.


Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA



I can't believe I read that. In fact, I wasn't going to comment because a significant amount of other people already have. Yet, I feel inclined.


Actually, yeah every American does have a right to “insult” or at least critique Canada. No state is infallible and immune to a critique. By that same logic, you would have to apply that no Canadian has a right to insult the United States. That is hardly the case, and that is hypocrisy. Furthermore, you presuppose and enforce an idea of a hierarchical strata of exclusion. It's the thinking that “Canadians can not be Americans” and “Americans can not be Canadians”. Or, to put it in another way. “Greeks can not be barbarians, and barbarians can not be Greeks” By having this hierarchical strata enforces and guarantees a logical order of distinction. By having a logical framework like this, it has a double role of both vertical and horizontal significance. Vertical because the “better” Canadians can enforce the logical order and at the same time argue by for its superiority. Yet, we surely know this is not the case. Both the United States and Canada have transcended almost all borders insofar in its economic, media, medical systems. So far in fact that the idea of borders becomes meaningless and any idea of a hierarchical framework of exclusion crumbles to the ground.

[poster_child]

The CPC does not suppourt sepratism, but we oppose your natinol chauvinism

"your national chauvinism"??

I am not a national chauvanist, and I don't know anyone who is. I think it's the other way around actually. If we were national chauvanists, I think we would WANT Quebec to seperate.


we beleive that the Qebecouis have a right to define there own future.

Sorry, but the Quebecois are Canadians first, and Quebecois second. No one in Canada has the right to define their own future more so than any other Canadian.

And I do care about Canada's culture and heritage. I love being a bilingual country.

Geographically, it woudn't work for Canada either. The east would be cut off from the west. The Maritimes would be lost, BC would go to the states, Alberta, Saskachewan and Manitoba would become a seperate country, and Ontario would be Canada.

If this were to happen, the CPC wouldn't have a country to run.

[Bannockburn]

Sorry, but the Quebecois are Canadians first, and Quebecois second.

Well it depends what Quebecois you talk. Nevertheless, that is coming, from which I presume (since I say the same thing) from an anglo-Canadian, hence a Canadian. Yet, Quebecois (not all) would presume the opposite of that statement.

[JC1]

sure it is. Voluntary or not, its still segregation. Put it this way, yes they certainly have a choice to move wherever they want in Toronto. No doubt, and there is no restrictions accordingly. However, a voluntary act implies a free choice and free action according to 2 or more options. Yet, a free choice also would imply that there is not an internal or external stimuli to persuade you towards certain decision. It should be limitless insofar as material conditions allow for you to go. With that being said, a new immigrant certainly has decisions to make. However, through various reasons internal and external, the conditions dictate the location of their living. Its still segregation, it may not be discriminatory, yet still segregated.

I agree 100 %. Just becuase there isnt legal segragation a la a the southern US Circa 1960, dosent mean it aint segragation. Its Terrible economic conditions and archaic Immigration rules that create segragation. Its terrible that Canada ceebrates and is celebrated for its Segragatory policy's.


I am not a national chauvanist, and I don't know anyone who is. I think it's the other way around actually. If we were national chauvanists, I think we would WANT Quebec to seperate.


OK Buddy. You should banned to the OI for Racism. The British didnt want India to succsede, so there were Anti-Chauvinist ? Buddy, youre an appoogist for imperialism.


Sorry, but the Quebecois are Canadians first, and Quebecois second. No one in Canada has the right to define their own future more so than any other Canadian

They are intitled to define there own future. I mean, the CPC is against sepratism becuase that would mean a bad position for the Canadian working class. But we are NOT GOING TO SAY NO if the Qebecouis, or any other Natinality in Canada (EG the Fifty diffrent First Nations) decides to sucede ifd thats the only way forward for there nation.


And I do care about Canada's culture and heritage.

What "Culture and Heritage" ? Its arguable that Anglo-Canada is nationaly cohesive with the US (Albeit I dont nessecarly agree with that).



I love being a bilingual country.

Yeah, what about the linguistic rights of First Nations and Allophones ? And what about the fact that canada is not realy bilingual ? Indeed, Bilingualism is a force of Anglosization of Qubec. Do you know any frecnh (Besides "Jesuis Anglophone") ?


If this were to happen, the CPC wouldn't have a country to run.

The purpose of the CPC is not to rule. The purpose of the CPC is working class emancipation.

[Bannockburn]

I agree 100 %. Just becuase there isnt legal segragation a la a the southern US Circa 1960, dosent mean it aint segragation. Its Terrible economic conditions and archaic Immigration rules that create segragation. Its terrible that Canada ceebrates and is celebrated for its Segragatory policy's.

Completely. Yet, it is celebrated as a Canadian triumph. That all Canadians should be proud of it. Its Canadian propaganda. This just shows what my first post already said. Its really sad, but what is even worse is that Canadians use it as a source or pride, but at the same time, try to critique American segregation based on the same policy and social systems.

[Sabocat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 12:09 PM
Ok number one, no american has any right to insult canada, and for our government yah its not exactly what we want, but i respect them, they are doing what they can, so dont even start , just because iam to the left does not mean that i cant support and be proud of my pm for telling america to fuk off
VIVA LA CANADA
Is it just me or is the incessant nationalistic ranting of supposed communists annoying?

Respect your government? As a communist, or even as a leftist, you should be not be supportive of a government that has sent occupation troops to Bosnia, Afghanistan and helped the imperialist U.S. forces invade, occupy, and remove a democratically elected president of a sovereign country; Haiti.

Or is waving the Maple Leaf more important to you?

Your glorious peoples army in action (http://www.outofhaiti.ca/)

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 02:41 AM
makes a hell of a lot more sense then to have no nations and borders and habe to share with the imperialists, ur right all that really do matter in canada to the eyes of the government is us european canadians, why? because we are the only ones who would go to fight hitler
I know you've already adressed the ignorance in this post but I just thought this was the perfect time to point out our hipocracy on the ww2 issue.

Did you know: That Canada lowered it's quota for jewish refugees when it learned of NAZI Germany's policies?

[poster_child]

first of all, to compare quebec and canada to britain and india is not even a comparison at ALL. The french are not oppressed under a government using them for their resources and exploiting their citizens. Britain wanted to stay in india for economic and capitalist reasons. When india became a financial liability, they pulled out.
I am NOT A RACIST! I am a canadian, who believes that french, or english, we are all canadians by historical, cultural, lingustic, etc. means.
How is this imperialism? To believe that from france or from britain, we are all canadians? To believe that both french and english can live together peacefully?
Cultural differences are to be embraced and not segregated. (does this sound like racism to you?)
To answer your question, I do speak some french, however, I am not fluent (I speak enough to understand and get by okay). I am currently taking french in university, and hope to be a fluent speaker soon.


Its arguable that Anglo-Canada is nationaly cohesive with the US

economically, yes(same as quebec). They have made it so we are completely reliant on them economically. Socially, no. Canada, socially, is MUCH different from the US. Gay marriage, abortion, leanient drug laws, outlawing of organizations of hate... all Canada. Our most conservitave politicians are not even close to their most liberal politicains. Socially, Canada, is light-years ahead of the US.

[JC1]

first of all, to compare quebec and canada to britain and india is not even a comparison at ALL. The french are not oppressed under a government using them for their resources and exploiting their citizens. Britain wanted to stay in india for economic and capitalist reasons. When india became a financial liability, they pulled out.


Fact is, they have the right to leave, even if you call them canadians.


economically, yes(same as quebec). They have made it so we are completely reliant on them economically. Socially, no. Canada, socially, is MUCH different from the US. Gay marriage, abortion, leanient drug laws, outlawing of organizations of hate... all Canada. Our most conservitave politicians are not even close to their most liberal politicains. Socially, Canada, is light-years ahead of the US.

Can you please describe a "Canadian" Culture ?

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Canadian culture:
hockey, beer, winters, peace keeping, pearson, terry fox, expo, multi-culturalism, trudeau, the cpr, john a macdonald, being liberal (not the party), human rights, burning the white house (my personal favourtie), the guess who, celine dion, neil young...
there's so many more.
Quebec is just as much a part of it than any other province.

This is not what I meant by this quote, however

economically, yes(same as quebec). They have made it so we are completely reliant on them economically. Socially, no. Canada, socially, is MUCH different from the US. Gay marriage, abortion, leanient drug laws, outlawing of organizations of hate... all Canada. Our most conservitave politicians are not even close to their most liberal politicains. Socially, Canada, is light-years ahead of the US.

I was talking about the fact that economically, quebec has the same ties to the US. They drink as much pepsi as we do, listen to as much brittney spears as we do (even if they don't understand all the words), and they still trade as much with them as the rest of canada.


Its arguable that Anglo-Canada is nationaly cohesive with the US (Albeit I dont nessecarly agree with that).

why would you argue this if it is not your position?