things to take to actions

[rioters bloc]

here are a few things that i've found useful at actions [some particularly if you get arrested], add your own!

* a bottle of water - don't drink too much though or you'll keep needing to pee :P
* a few light snacks, fruit is always good - keep your energy levels up
* meds - if youre a diabetic or suffer from asthma, for example - VERY important.
* leaflets outlining your cause to hand out to passerbys or even targets
* if you have your period, take spare pads, DONT wear tampons - if you cant get to a toilet for whatever reason, it can prove very dangerous [keeping a tampon in for more than 6 hours greatly increases your chances of getting toxic shock syndrome]
* i always take chalk to chalk on the road/walls nearby...not really necessary though.
* spare change for a phone
* have a legal observers number written clearly on your arm in permanant marker [theyre not really PERMANANT]
* i have a sticker with basic legal rights on the back of my bag where cops cant see, very handy little things.

[Organic Revolution]

a few things:

bring at least a gallon of water, to share with others on a hot day.
bring non-parishable foods i.e. granola.
gas mask
bandaids, gauze, splints, eye drops ect.
good pair of thick gloves
spray paint

[rioters bloc]

oops, forgot the first aid stuff. yeah definitely

also if you wear contacts like me, either dont wear them at all or take glasses along. if dust gets in and your blinded your unlikely to be much help to the cause :P also if youre stuck in jail youll wanna be able to sleep and see the day after

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 4 2005, 12:52 AM
oops, forgot the first aid stuff. yeah definitely

also if you wear contacts like me, either dont wear them at all or take glasses along. if dust gets in and your blinded your unlikely to be much help to the cause :P also if youre stuck in jail youll wanna be able to sleep and see the day after
Shit, not even that.. if you wear contacts to a serious action, and teargas hits, the teargas will get in the contact and burn your eyes, and if your dont take it out right away, your risking going blind

[rioters bloc]

fuck


would it be the same case with pepper spray? i suppose so hey :(


im pretty blind without my contacts and my glasses give me a headache :S

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 4 2005, 01:19 AM
fuck


would it be the same case with pepper spray? i suppose so hey :(


im pretty blind without my contacts and my glasses give me a headache :S
yeah, its the exact same with pepper spray.

[Seeker]

What to bring (http://www.antimedia.net/s11awol/medical.html)

[pedro san pedro]

ciggies!! after you are arrested, the cops will prob take them away and not record them - as they are perisables. they'll give em back to you at the station though, and others will be very grateful for your having them!

[Organic Revolution]

unless your underage and then you get a secondary fine.

[novemba]

Hey everyone, I'm going to my first protest in DC in a week or two, and I'm gonna carry by bookbag with me, but I'm not totally sure what to bring. Here's what I have so far...

Water, Gas Mask, Spray Paint, and Granola Bars...

Pretty weak list, so please post what you bring with you to protests and demonstrations. Thanks...

[slim]

Red Bull would be a good idea.

[Led Zeppelin]

I bring the most important thing of all, myself.

[RASH chris]

Helmet, 50/50 mix of maalox and water in a squirt bottle (gets tear gas/pepper spray off of your clothes/eyes), goggles and tons more water.

Are you going to the S24 stuff? If so then we should meet up. You know about the bloc? www.anarchistresistance.org

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Water and literature.

[novemba]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 12:13 PM
Are you going to the S24 stuff? If so then we should meet up. You know about the bloc? www.anarchistresistance.org
Chris, yeah I'm gonna be there, and yes, we should meet up...uhhhhhhh they don't have a location on the site yet but PM me or IM if you wanna talk

MSN - [email protected] AIM - StreetasmyCanvas

[Donnie]

Gas masks are a bit 'iffy' if you ask me, I mean you don't know how the police will react to seeing or catching you with a gas mask.

At the G8 summit I brought up a second world war Russian gas mask and I nearly brought it with me on a little direct action I was carrying out but in the end I didn't bring it however a girl in our affinity group did and she got it taken off her and she was heavily interrogated at the side of the road and filmed.

I’d just stick to a rag that you can rap around you're wrist as a disguise and maybe bring a few sashes of vinegar just in case things get serious.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 04:27 PM
Gas masks are a bit 'iffy' if you ask me, I mean you don't know how the police will react to seeing or catching you with a gas mask.

At the G8 summit I brought up a second world war Russian gas mask and I nearly brought it with me on a little direct action I was carrying out but in the end I didn't bring it however a girl in our affinity group did and she got it taken off her and she was heavily interrogated at the side of the road and filmed.

I’d just stick to a rag that you can rap around you're wrist as a disguise and maybe bring a few sashes of vinegar just in case things get serious.
i think thats why he is bringing a bag, to carry it in when hes not using it

[RASH chris]

Yeah that's an important issue to adress.

Helmets, masks, face coverings, etc you should always keep those in a bag until you get to you rally. Once at the rally then go ahead and put on your face covering. But leave the mask/helmet off until the last minute, otherwise the police will pick you out and you'll catch shit for nothing.

I also wouldn't reccomend wearing a face covering or anything on city trains or busses.

[workersunity]

Water, shit loads
Gas mask, not for all
Tons of literature
snacks,
sun screen
local number and place in case you get busted by the pigs
raw pure energy and in many cases anger

[novemba]

literature to read for myself or to pass out?

[RASH chris]

Cigarettes, non-methonl, not lights, for me to bum off of you. That's very important too.

Seriously though, if you smoke, make sure you have a pack. I can't tell you how many times a march will be stalled out and there's a few hundred people asking for cigs.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 01:57 AM
literature to read for myself or to pass out?
haha

to pass on

educate and enlighten!

[rioters bloc]

http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=40074

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Wow, you guys bring a lot. The protests here (Holland) are all very peacefull. There is hardly ever any scuttle with cops. I bring lots to drink, fruit and food with me and sometimes a sign.

BTW why are you bringing a spraycan with you? It doesn't seem very smart to graffiti in an area heavily gaurded by cops.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Non-Sectarian Bastard!@Sep 16 2005, 11:06 AM
Wow, you guys bring a lot. The protests here (Holland) are all very peacefull. There is hardly ever any scuttle with cops. I bring lots to drink, fruit and food with me and sometimes a sign.

BTW why are you bringing a spraycan with you? It doesn't seem very smart to graffiti in an area heavily gaurded by cops.
ever got arrested?

i heard that entire busloads of people were arrested when they tried to preven an NA march...and like 2 days later a mosque got burnt down in the exact same area by one of the NA fucks.

[workersunity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 10:20 AM
Cigarettes, non-methonl, not lights, for me to bum off of you. That's very important too.

Seriously though, if you smoke, make sure you have a pack. I can't tell you how many times a march will be stalled out and there's a few hundred people asking for cigs.
Haha damn right man, welp if someone asks just say you bummed it from someone else, lol, ive bummed smokes at protests before. literature to hand out;)

[infernomunky]

no bring a pipe.... nice oak wooden pipe....so much better than those damn ciggarette things........and hell they look cooler too... :] ....

[Ultra-Violence]

1. something to cover your face with thos dam cops will film you and tkae pics of you.(bastards)
2.vinneger and some lemon juice
3.water
4.snacks
5.DONT BRING ANY ID!
6.DONT BRING ANYTHING ILEGAL THAT THE PO PO CAN BUST YOU FOR!
7.bring friends

[Thomas]

What's the vinegar for?

[Organic Revolution]

to soak the bandana

[Thomas]

ahh makes sense, Piss is cheaper though.

Don't forget to wear a couple of layers, saves you gettin seriously hurt.

[Livetrueordie]

don't pack cigs, that is so hypocritical. cigs are the purest form of capitalism. holy crap you can't be a commie if you smoke, come on... now a cigar or pipe thats different. yeah a good pipe sets the mood. pack a lot of herb and offer it to the pigs while ur getting aressted :)

[Livetrueordie]

oh yeah what about shoes...a good running shoe would come in handy more then anything i think.

[Patchy]

So much violence..

I'm curious. I've seen protests that were shut down by the cops (My friend was showing me a bunch of images from the National Democratic Conference in LA back in 2000), and those get really nasty. This is where my next questions stem from...

Is us being violent really necessary? These guys were throwing street signs, bottles, pipes, everything. All that seems to do is incite return fire from the Po Po with paintballs, rubber bullets and tear gas. Then everyone runs like hell.

What if hundreds of people simply stood there, facing the target of the protest in complete silence. Cover your faces, whatever, being ID'd would be lame. But simply stand and stare. Don't throw things. Don't give the cops a reason to retaliate.

Or is violence more effective?

[Freigemachten]

If you can convince hundreds of angry protestors not to retaliate to the single most known manifestation of everything they hate, by all means go ahead, it would be a wonderful statement and would set a precedent I think revies around the world would follow, I'd gladly stand beside you, but i don't think enough people could do it for it to make much difference.

[Paradox]

Is this a list of what to carry to any type of protest? Or just large demonstrations? There's going to be an anti-minutemen rally here on Saturday which I'm going to. Seeing that it's about minutemen, there's perhaps a slight chance something could go down. Still, I don't think I need any of this stuff. The only thing I'm taking is a bandanna to cover my face. There's gonna be food at the event because they'll be serving lunch to those who attend. Then after lunch there will be a march. Something tells me I won't need a gas mask, but maybe an extra rag and vinegar? And extra clothing to serve as padding so I don't get hurt as much? Man. Sounds like every protest you guys go to gets pretty rough! :lol:

[bcbm]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 11:12 PM
What if hundreds of people simply stood there, facing the target of the protest in complete silence. Cover your faces, whatever, being ID'd would be gay. But simply stand and stare. Don't throw things. Don't give the cops a reason to retaliate.

Or is violence more effective?
In Seattle, on the first morning, people simply sat down in the street to block them. No violence, no anything. And what did the cops do? Pepper spray them and beat the shit out of them.

The moral of the story?

Fuck the police, hit the bastards in the head with rocks.

[Patchy]

Originally posted by black banner black gun+Oct 3 2005, 03:49 PM--> (black banner black gun @ Oct 3 2005, 03:49 PM)
[email protected] 28 2005, 11:12 PM
What if hundreds of people simply stood there, facing the target of the protest in complete silence. Cover your faces, whatever, being ID'd would be gay. But simply stand and stare. Don't throw things. Don't give the cops a reason to retaliate.

Or is violence more effective?
In Seattle, on the first morning, people simply sat down in the street to block them. No violence, no anything. And what did the cops do? Pepper spray them and beat the shit out of them.

The moral of the story?

Fuck the police, hit the bastards in the head with rocks. [/b]
Well that sucks. In that case, go nuts. I figured from the democratic national convention in LA that the Po Po couldn't retaliate unless it started to get violent, such as the throwing of trash cans and street signs. Things didn't seem to get heavy there until the night time. That's bullshit.


How is being ID'd a sexual experience? And specifically, why is it gay?
Why do you use 'gay' as a negative adjective? Do you think that gay members of revleft/people in general, appreciate this association?

I've heard it since I was a kid and never really gave it much thought. But no shitty excuses - you're right, it's silly. I retract that statement.

My apologies if I offended anyone. :(

And Dagger, thanks for the heads up, really.

[which doctor]

If you want a good energy boost then get some honey packs from KFC or wherever and just suck them down when you need some energy. They help me when I get tired when I'm running.

[Chimera]

2 litres (4 pints) of water.

Anything with dextrose - chocolate oat flapjack is good.

I prefer a cycling mask to a bandana, if you're gonna use one make sure the filter is carbon based.

Easy on the diuretics, like caffeine, you dont want to need a piss when you're penned in.

Toecaps!!

Warm clothes in winter, suncream in summer.

A book.

Your lawyers number written on your forearm in permanent ink.

Safety goggles are good if it's gonna kick off or if you plan on burning flags.

[Simon]

Is suncreme good? i mean, if the cops use teargas...

[Chimera]

It's safe if they don't use teargas, you'll have to get a risk assessment for the likelihood of that happening. Sunscreens that are water- or alcohol-based are rare but can be gotten, ingredients that are a no-no include methylparaben.

[Organic Revolution]

organic sunscreen will not trap the chemicals, regular ones will, and you will get third or second degree burns.

[fernando]

My anthropolgy teacher told me that when he was in Argentina during the protests (dont know when exactly) he noticed that the people made big fires (basicly setting cars on fire), first he assumed it was just useless violence, but later on the protestors explained to him that the fire takes care of the teargas, it attracts the gas or something in those lines, I dont know exactly how, but fire helps against teargas.

[Arca]

If that works, it might be something to think about...

i.e. bring barrels full of flammable stuff and light it

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 01:07 PM
If that works, it might be something to think about...

i.e. bring barrels full of flammable stuff and light it
Then throw the barrels of fire at the authorities.

[DisIllusion]

I still think you should hold back the violence unless your guys are getting their heads split open by the pigs. Why give them an excuse to even break out the tear gas?

[Freigemachten]

The whole fire thing makes sense. Ever light a fire in a fire place that doesn't put out heat? It sucks the warmth out of the rest of the house and pulls air in through every crack in the place. Also every stand facing a real big bon fire? you can feel the breeze at your back, figure a fire heats the air, the air rises, the cooler air replaces it and then in turn rises etc. this continuous movement of air would probably cycle out noxious fumes ie tear gas.

[DisIllusion]

The whole fire thing makes sense. Ever light a fire in a fire place that doesn't put out heat? It sucks the warmth out of the rest of the house and pulls air in through every crack in the place. Also every stand facing a real big bon fire? you can feel the breeze at your back, figure a fire heats the air, the air rises, the cooler air replaces it and then in turn rises etc. this continuous movement of air would probably cycle out noxious fumes ie tear gas.

That's a good idea, but wouldn't the people standing closest to the bonfire get totally screwed?

[DisIllusion]

Plus, the cops probably wouldn't be too happy with you burning a bunch of shit in the street.

[DisIllusion]

Remember comrades, this is what we're up against.
http://tash.gn.apc.org/riot-police_uniform.gif

[farleft]

Originally posted by DisIllus[email protected] 28 2005, 02:36 AM
I still think you should hold back the violence unless your guys are getting their heads split open by the pigs. Why give them an excuse to even break out the tear gas?
What are you on about?

Anything we do would not be to start the conflict, the conflict has already begun for years and years, anything we working class do is in retaliation to the years and years of exploitation and oppression by the bastards in power and the bastards they get to enforce the law (police and army).

[farleft]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 03:59 AM
Plus, the cops probably wouldn't be too happy with you burning a bunch of shit in the street.
Who cares if the police wont be happy?

They are, in part the enemy.

[jaster]

knives, dollar store

[jaster]

or hatchets
and if your expecting heavy action, pick up a log pike from a forestry mag. or site.
or if youre feling adventurous, a gun
i have a potatoe gun that can be filled with gravel and ball-bearing, etc. that would work from the roof into a formation.
sugar. ( to put in gas cans, screws up the engines)

[bezdomni]

Bring what you will use.

For protests that I am pretty sure will be peaceful I will usually bring water, books, about 30 copies of Socialist Appeal, a hundred or so stickers (from Wellred), granola bars, a sign, a banner or two (one to put on a table, if I am tabling and one to drop from the highway or something) and a bandanna (for when the CIA or FBI start taking pictures of us).

for protests that might get a little violent, I'll bring mostly the same stuff; but up the protection. I'll usually put some Saline solution in my backpack or bring an extra shirt. I also recommend using organic sunscreen or no sunscreen at all if you think you will be up against some chemicals. I never bring anything that could be construed as a weapon, because I don't want to get the pants sued off me.

Bringing a gun is a terrible idea. Unless armed insurrection is already happening - I would recommend against it. Imagine how stupid you would look if you were the only person who showed up at a protest with a gun. :lol:

You'd be labeled as a terrorist immediately!

[violencia.Proletariat]

Some guy got busted here recently for having a conceled weapon at a peaceful demonstration, a pair of pliers :o

[bcbm]

Yeah, some pals of mine have been busted and gotten charged with that concealed weapon shit because they had knives on them.

[Black Dagger]

Hence why i removed my spanner and hex keys today before going to protest at the Holsworthy army barracks - especially considering i also had a full-face balaclava and a torch, all those things together they'd probably try some 'conspiracy to...' bullshit.

[apathy maybe]

Fuck the police!

I once wrote a good piece on what to bring to a riot, I don't know what happened to it.

But I disagree a bit now with taking too much stuff. Even taking a bag. If you have stuff, you have to worry about it, you can lose it or have it smashed.

Having said that, water (lots, to share), food if it is going to be longer then a couple of hours (and it could easily become longer if shit hits the fan, or if it is part of a larger mobilisation), and legal number to call written on your arm.

Also, facemasks are good and non-descript clothing, anonymous is good. That said, if it is going to be a violent protest, then you bring more stuff.

Hocky pads, helmets and other protective gear. First aid kit (actually take a basic first aid kit anywhere and everywhere).


Rather then take a bag, get a thing (web mesh like what army people use) that holds your water and food.

[DarkTravesty]

Personally I like Patchy's idea, and think there is a good chance it would prove more effective. If you could show the police that you and your comrades believe in the cause so much and have the disciplin to refrain from violence, they'd probably take you more seriously.

[An archist]

EDIT: double post

[An archist]

In any other case, take a flag or a sign, something that gives you an excuse to bring a decent stick.

[Rollo]

Bag full of bees. Funny stuff.

[pedro san pedro]

someone mentioned that you should not take id with you. in australia and new zealand the police can hold you for a lot longer if you are unable to prove your identity and, in some cases, your address. taking id with you can mean a lot less time spent behind locked doors if you are arrested.

if you are planning on doing somehting for which you intend to 'escape' and don't wish to have any id on you, at least consider giving your id to someone who is not planning on getting into an arrestable situation and is able to bring your details to the station should you be arrested

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by pedro san [email protected] 17 2006, 10:35 PM
someone mentioned that you should not take id with you. in australia and new zealand the police can hold you for a lot longer if you are unable to prove your identity and, in some cases, your address. taking id with you can mean a lot less time spent behind locked doors if you are arrested.
if you have id on you, but you don&#39;t produce it, and they find it when searching you they can charge you with that. at villawood a friend of mine was charged with that even after they&#39;d completely searched her bag and her person and hadn&#39;t come up with anything. they dropped it though.. they had to, cos it was bullshit <_<

[apathy maybe]

Originally posted by pedro san pedro[email protected] 17 2006, 10:35 PM
someone mentioned that you should not take id with you. in australia and new zealand the police can hold you for a lot longer if you are unable to prove your identity and, in some cases, your address. taking id with you can mean a lot less time spent behind locked doors if you are arrested.

if you are planning on doing somehting for which you intend to &#39;escape&#39; and don&#39;t wish to have any id on you, at least consider giving your id to someone who is not planning on getting into an arrestable situation and is able to bring your details to the station should you be arrested
The way I see it, you practice on a friend giving a fake name and address (or claim to be homeless).

Then you just do not get caught again, or if they drop the charges you make sure they remove your prints from their system (Freedom of Infomation or something according to some arsehole in the NSW police force I asked about it).


I would rather be held a bit longer and not have my infomation on file. Plus, there is no law against not being able to prove your identity.


(Claim to be from Darwin (making sure to have never been arrested or on any police file in the NT) and give a fake name and address. The cops where you are might contact the NT police, but you of course will not be on the system. This is good. Now the cops were you were arrested have fake infomation. Just make sure to remember to not get arrested with real ID on you before you get your finger prints removed.)

[apathy maybe]

And while looking for some infomation I came across this http://www.activistrights.org.au/ more relevent for Victoria then other parts of Australia (at least the legal is) but it has some stuff on police tactics as well (which should be relevent across the world).

[razboz]

Bag full of bees. Funny stuff.

How do actually do that? Do you kind of catch them froma nest or something? Would they count as a weapon in any élegal procedures? How easy could you get them into a policemans helmet withz those visor things? Would that be deadly?

[Rollo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2006, 07:54 PM

Bag full of bees. Funny stuff.

How do actually do that? Do you kind of catch them froma nest or something? Would they count as a weapon in any élegal procedures? How easy could you get them into a policemans helmet withz those visor things? Would that be deadly?
Near where I live there is a field type thing with tonnes of flowers and I use a very fine net and keep them in a small jar for the time being then eventually put them in a hemp sack with a piece of bread soaked in honey. It wouldn&#39;t be deadly unless they were allergic but the trick is to throw them at dogs or people chasing you because the bees get enraged at the thing you threw them at.

[Freigemachten]

Originally posted by Rollo+Jun 30 2006, 07:47 AM--> (Rollo @ Jun 30 2006, 07:47 AM)
[email protected] 18 2006, 07:54 PM

Bag full of bees. Funny stuff.

How do actually do that? Do you kind of catch them froma nest or something? Would they count as a weapon in any élegal procedures? How easy could you get them into a policemans helmet withz those visor things? Would that be deadly?
Near where I live there is a field type thing with tonnes of flowers and I use a very fine net and keep them in a small jar for the time being then eventually put them in a hemp sack with a piece of bread soaked in honey. It wouldn&#39;t be deadly unless they were allergic but the trick is to throw them at dogs or people chasing you because the bees get enraged at the thing you threw them at. [/b]
have you tried this? Are you sure it works? I have my doubts. Bees, like ants, are hive social insects. When an ant is separated from the nest for an extended perioud it will die, lacking the interaction of its social network. I think they same may be true of bees. Might wanna check on that before you waste time catching a bunch of bees.

[Rollo]

I&#39;ve tried it and i had the bees in a bucket resembling something you would use to milk a 20 foot long snake. They survived for about a week then 3 of them died but the other 20 or so were fine.