My God: 10,000 feared dead?

[civus]

Where is the humanity of the American government to confront this disaster? Why don't they move out of Iraq to help clean up this mess?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0903-05.htm

[Reds]

humanity?! what humanity?!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Hurricane Katrina and Capitalism: A Disaster in the Making! (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp14a.html)

[PRC-UTE]

They don't care if they kill poor people.

'A glorious civilisation indeed . . . the great problem of which is cleaning up the heaps of corpses it created!'
-Karl Marx

[Clarksist]

Do you really expect them too though?

The people in New Orleans are very largely black and poor. The very people America doesn't want.

They won't save New Orleans like they could... they see it as a distraction.

[andrew_the_fox]

I really hope Kathleen Blanco is diagnosed with a terminal illness.

[Phalanx]

And George Bush and Cheney as well.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 09:28 AM
Hurricane Katrina and Capitalism: A Disaster in the Making! (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp14a.html)
CompaneroDeLibertad, thanks for the link to that article.

It's quite sickening that the American government would allow something like this to occur, but what else would you expect?

[Eastside Revolt]

What I'm waiting to hear is how many looters were murderd by the national guard.

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 02:22 PM
Do you really expect them too though?

The people in New Orleans are very largely black and poor. The very people America doesn't want.

They won't save New Orleans like they could... they see it as a distraction.
In other words, The Black Holocaust.

[Leif]

I've read the blog of someone who thinks they should keep New Orleans underwater and decrease the aid.

Then again, he's a College Republican. http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=gop_ryan

The situation isn't likely to get better until it gets far worse. What we need to do is send money to aid orginizations, or better yet, go and help them in person. We can preach and lecture on the good of humanity, but unless we do somthing about it we're only hypocrites.

[Psy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:05 PM
What I'm waiting to hear is how many looters were murderd by the national guard.
Today 5 were shot dead by the national guard for hotwiring a moving van to leave the city.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Psy+Sep 4 2005, 06:10 PM--> (Psy @ Sep 4 2005, 06:10 PM)
[email protected] 4 2005, 10:05 PM
What I'm waiting to hear is how many looters were murderd by the national guard.
Today 5 were shot dead by the national guard for hotwiring a moving van to leave the city. [/b]
9 shot, 5 or 6 killed. By Police.

Suicide rate is up for rescuers as well.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:10 PM
I've read the blog of someone who thinks they should keep New Orleans underwater and decrease the aid.

Then again, he's a College Republican. http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=gop_ryan

The situation isn't likely to get better until it gets far worse. What we need to do is send money to aid orginizations, or better yet, go and help them in person. We can preach and lecture on the good of humanity, but unless we do somthing about it we're only hypocrites.
Statement on his blog.


Living out in mountain fortress sounds nice at the moment. It fits my strategy of getting rich and letting these brainless idiots kill each other. I will watch the slaughter on Fox from my mountain villa.

Lmfao!

[Commandante_Ant]

Bush wont pull out of Iraq....his troops still have a job to do there. Basically, provoke Iraqi's and Middle Easterns to take up arms against them and also blow themselves up with the hope of killing some soldiers.

What has Bush's presidency brought us? War, war and more War. He wants his name to live forever and it will...in less than flattering terms. He's leaving the coloured people out to dry (honestly, no pun intended) and its terrible. No only will the effects of Katrina last for years, the effects of Bush's decisions could last for years. And it could bring about another race war. Who knows?

All we know is that people are starving and dying in America and Bush isnt really doing anything about it.

[viva le revolution]

It is unrealistic to expect a regime driven by profit to spare any hmanitarian aid to it's people in good proportions. It is an uneccessary expenditure on worthless people, people who are not the cream of society, people who serve no significant purpose to the industrial machine. To the ruling class, this is just nature's way of getting rid of the dregs of society.
The people must see through this and vociferous action must be taken by comrades in the first-world to bring this hypocrisy to light.

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:19 PM

'A glorious civilisation indeed . . . the great problem of which is cleaning up the heaps of corpses it created!'
-Karl Marx
Source?

[Djehuti]

A lot of articles at: http://www.wsws.org/

"Crackdown on looting

New Orleans police ordered to stop saving lives and start saving property

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered nearly the entire active police force in the flood-ravaged city to abandon rescue operations Wednesday night and focus on efforts to halt looting. The decision came in response to mounting pressure from sensationalized media coverage which is increasingly placing emphasis on the property damage done by looters, suggesting that it has become nearly as significant a social problem as the virtual destruction of the city by Hurricane Katrina.

Nagin said that looters “are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas—hotels, hospitals, and we’re going to stop it right now.” He assigned 1,500 police to anti-looting duty. The Associated Press reported, “The number of officers called off the search-and-rescue mission amounts to virtually the entire police force in New Orleans.”
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/loot-s01.shtml



Its fucking sick. Go looters! Kill the cops and the politicians.





I would also like to recommend you Amadeo Bordigas "Murder of the Dead". It is about just these things. http://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/wo...1951/murder.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1951/murder.htm)

"In Italy, we have long experience of “catastrophes that strike the country” and we also have a certain specialisation in “staging” them. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, floods, rainstorms, epidemics... The effects are indisputably felt especially by poorer people and those living at high densities, and if cataclysms that are frequently much more terrifying strike all corners of the world, not always do such unfavourable social conditions coincide with geographical and geological ones. But every people and every country holds its own delights: typhoons, drought, tidal waves, famine, heatwaves and frosts, all unknown to us in the “garden of Europe”; and when one opens the newspaper, one inevitably finds more than one item, from the Philippines to the Andes, from the Polar Ice Cap to the African Desert."

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by Monty Cantsin+Sep 5 2005, 01:45 PM--> (Monty Cantsin @ Sep 5 2005, 01:45 PM)
[email protected] 3 2005, 08:19 PM

'A glorious civilisation indeed . . . the great problem of which is cleaning up the heaps of corpses it created!'
-Karl Marx
Source? [/b]
The Civil War in France

[Stellix]

I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed. NO was mostly Black working class people that did not deserve this.

I am not too sure about those sections of Alabama though.

[*Hippie*]

I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed.

Except you know they would all leave for another one of their houses and talk about the horrible bad storm and how much money they lost because of it. Then they would go on to say how great the relief efforts were and how grateful they are Bush is compensating them for losing their homes. :(

[Psy]

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Sep 7 2005, 04:48 AM

I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed.

Except you know they would all leave for another one of their houses and talk about the horrible bad storm and how much money they lost because of it. Then they would go on to say how great the relief efforts were and how grateful they are Bush is compensating them for losing their homes. :(
That is what gona happen with Katrina, all that aid will not go to the people that need it, even now it is mostly the charities that are looking after the victims, if the media was not there there would have been NO responce and bet your ass next time the goverment will ENFORCE a media black out so they can just cart off the dead and get back to making money.

[MeTaLhEaD]

I think USA is gonna ivade .. the midle east after Katrina saying that Allah and bin laden are the ones to blame

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 03:50 AM
I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed. NO was mostly Black working class people that did not deserve this.

I am not too sure about those sections of Alabama though.
Explain what skin colour has to do with it?

You would rather white people were affected than black? Sounds pretty racist from here, I would get flamed to hell if I said that the other way around.

[rioters bloc]

id rather no-one was affected by it at all

but you have to admit that black working class people are one of the most oppressed sectors of society, and are thus less equipped to deal with such a disaster, both monetarily and also in terms of how much the govt will care.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by *Hippie*@Sep 7 2005, 02:48 PM
Except you know they would all leave for another one of their houses and talk about the horrible bad storm and how much money they lost because of it. Then they would go on to say how great the relief efforts were and how grateful they are Bush is compensating them for losing their homes. :(
AND theyd be insured

[Dark Exodus]

but you have to admit that black working class people are one of the most oppressed sectors of society, and are thus less equipped to deal with such a disaster, both monetarily and also in terms of how much the govt will care.

Yes Black, working class people.

But I'm not talking about class, I'm talking about skin colour.

[rioters bloc]

stellix was talking about a combination of both skin colour and class

so why are you ignoring the working class bit?


and anyway, african-americans in the us as a group are far worse off than anglo-americans are - it's ingrained in the culture.

i'm not too sure what you're arguing exactly - do you think that skin colour plays no part in the governments policy on what to do in such a situation?

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by rioters [email protected] 7 2005, 04:28 PM


i'm not too sure what you're arguing exactly - do you think that skin colour plays no part in the governments policy on what to do in such a situation?

No, I think that wishing death upon people because of there skin colour is wrong.

There is such a thing as a rich black person you know. We are supposed to be fighting a class war, not a race war.


stellix was talking about a combination of both skin colour and class
so why are you ignoring the working class bit?

Becuase it is justified, whereas the colour implication was not?

[Xvall]

I think USA is gonna ivade .. the midle east

They did.

[MeTaLhEaD]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 03:09 PM

I think USA is gonna ivade .. the midle east

They did.
:o
jaja.. :D i know but.. i was just saying..

[Black Dagger]

No, I think that wishing death upon people because of there skin colour is wrong.

Except that Stellix did never stated anything of the sort.

"I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed. "

Where does that say i wish white people were killed instead of black people?

The second part:
"NO was mostly Black working class people that did not deserve this. "

....Is simply pointing out that the storm -unfortunately, hit hardest what is one of the most underprivileged sections of US society, ie. working class black people. There is no supressed premises suggesting it would have been 'better' if poor whites had been killed etc. Your argument is fallacious.



There is such a thing as a rich black person you know

So wait... Luke's father is WHO?!?!? :o


We are supposed to be fighting a class war, not a race war.

There is more to revolution than 'class war'. Any meaningful revolution must involve social revolution, which means a revolution against reactionary ideas (inc. racism, sexism, heterosexism etc) as well as against the state and capital.

Race seems to be a 'touchy' subject for you, what is your opinion of 'affirmative action'? :)

[Dark Exodus]

There is more to revolution than 'class war'. Any meaningful revolution must involve social revolution, which means a revolution against reactionary ideas (inc. racism, sexism, heterosexism etc) as well as against the state and capital.

So wait... Luke's father is WHO?!?!?



Race seems to be a 'touchy' subject for you, what is your opinion of 'affirmative action'?

I don't agree with it.
It is not really a touchy subject, its just a debate was sparked off, and I can't leave a debate alone :lol:


Except that Stellix did never stated anything of the sort.

"I am only sad a rich, right-wing town was not destroyed. "

Where does that say i wish white people were killed instead of black people?

The second part:
"NO was mostly Black working class people that did not deserve this. "

....Is simply pointing out that the storm -unfortunately, hit hardest what is one of the most underprivileged sections of US society, ie. working class black people. There is no supressed premises suggesting it would have been 'better' if poor whites had been killed etc. Your argument is fallacious.


This is possibly because New Orleans is mostly comprised of black people, something like 60-70%

But as for the subject perhaps I red into it incorrectly, or maybe I got so used to people talking that way in the first place.

[Black Dagger]

I don't agree with it.

I know this is off-topic, but can i ask why? Briefly at least?

[TheReadMenace]

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

Gonna
Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor tonight!


-Dead Kennedys

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 7 2005, 10:21 PM

I don't agree with it.

I know this is off-topic, but can i ask why? Briefly at least?
Simply because someone should not get a benefit because of their race, which they didn't earn or choose.

It won't change a rascists views (best to remove them from their position in the first place) it will only cover them up. Whats more it allows people jobs that they don't deserve as much as another person.

It's not like there aren't enough inequalities in our society.

[Commandante_Ant]

Originally posted by MeTaLhEa[email protected] 7 2005, 02:19 PM
I think USA is gonna ivade .. the midle east after Katrina saying that Allah and bin laden are the ones to blame
I have to admit i'd like to see that....

I give you the President of the United States. (One tiny clap)

My fellow Americans, i am devastated at the events from New Orleans. I think its safe to say we know who is to blame. Its Al Queda, thats who. They've got a thingmybob, a computer jiggery thing that can change the weather. We know this because we've done extensive research, by the same team as the Iraq WMD team and we all know what a fantastic job they did. We're gonna smoke them outta there holes....them and that computer thingy they have. I'm off on vacation for 6 months, have a great time everyone! :lol: :lol:

Sorry got a bit lost there. Still struggling to understand just HOW Allah and Bin Laden are to blame. Its Global Warming to blame and America is one of the main culprits.

[Psy]

Originally posted by Commandante_Ant+Sep 8 2005, 08:16 AM--> (Commandante_Ant @ Sep 8 2005, 08:16 AM)
[email protected] 7 2005, 02:19 PM
I think USA is gonna ivade .. the midle east after Katrina saying that Allah and bin laden are the ones to blame
Sorry got a bit lost there. Still struggling to understand just HOW Allah and Bin Laden are to blame. Its Global Warming to blame and America is one of the main culprits. [/b]
Bush could claim they prayed to Allah and Allah (their God) did this, thus they wipe them out so they can no longer pray to Allah.

[Black Dagger]

Except that would be admitting that either Allah is the one true god, or that there are at least two 'gods' in existence. Dont' think either of those implications would sit well with GW :P

[Organic Revolution]

updates on NO-BULLETIN: MAYDAY DC/INFOSHOP NEWS RELIEF VAN ATTEMPTING TO ENTER NEW ORLEANS. GOAL IS TO DELIVER MEDICS TO ALGIERS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SET UP A WELLNESS CENTER
Bounty Hunters from Blackwater and other companies are hunting people in New Orleans who have outstanding warrants.
National Office of American Red Cross Tried to Shut Down Food Not Bombs Camp Between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Camp is serving 1000 people per day
Authorities Block African-American Medics From Entering Algiers Neighborhood
Efforts to set up lower power emergency FM station by Houston Indymedia Blocked by Officials
Polls: Public Blames Bush For Bungled Disaster Efforts

[Organic Revolution]

updates on NO-BULLETIN: MAYDAY DC/INFOSHOP NEWS RELIEF VAN ATTEMPTING TO ENTER NEW ORLEANS. GOAL IS TO DELIVER MEDICS TO ALGIERS NEIGHBORHOOD AND SET UP A WELLNESS CENTER
Bounty Hunters from Blackwater and other companies are hunting people in New Orleans who have outstanding warrants.
National Office of American Red Cross Tried to Shut Down Food Not Bombs Camp Between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Camp is serving 1000 people per day
Authorities Block African-American Medics From Entering Algiers Neighborhood
Efforts to set up lower power emergency FM station by Houston Indymedia Blocked by Officials
Polls: Public Blames Bush For Bungled Disaster Efforts

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Well, it looks like the US Administration well and truly screwed the pooch on this one.
Anyone want to take a guess as to how Georgie boy will cover his ass?

[Xvall]

Probably by blaming the Louisiana State Government.

[Commandante_Ant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:18 PM
Well, it looks like the US Administration well and truly screwed the pooch on this one.
Anyone want to take a guess as to how Georgie boy will cover his ass?
needs to remove cheney's dick first....closely followed by Rumsfield's dick.

Has Bush, in all his time in charge, ever done anything GOOD for the American people? He ignored warnings of 9/11, which DID happen leading thousands of deaths. He invaded Iraq on the pretext of "WMD and Al Queda"...that was a lie and how many soldiers have died for that? Thousands? Millions?

Bush really shouldnt have a leg to stand on politically but still he survives. How exactly?

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Check this new bit:


Police fearing deadly confrontations with jittery residents enforced a new order that bars homeowners from owning guns. That order apparently does not apply to the hundreds of M-16-toting private security guards hired to protect businesses and wealthy property owners.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...rricane_katrina (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050910/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)