Katrina and Revolution [Archive]

Ownthink

2nd September 2005, 22:21

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 04:26 PM
Yes I'm back. Let's just put the drama aside for a second.

I don't know if anyone noticed, but there is a ridiculous amount of revolutionary potential in this country right now. We have to do something. Gas shortages, high prices, the war in Iraq, the disaster area, civil tension, the time is now! It disgusts me how on 9/11 the towers were evacuated immeadiatly, but it took 4 DAYS to get people to Ground Zero of Katrina!!!! We have to pluck this apple from the tree before it gets sour! What do you think?!
I think I totally fucking agree with you, Zackaria.

Something DOES need to be done. But the question is...

What?
When?
How?

Tough Questions, indeed.

:hammer:

donnie_middel1

2nd September 2005, 22:28

I agree completely and iam from canada, but i would fight with my revolutionary american brothers, not only in america is the time now but here in canada as well, i think we need to pick up arms its the only way, but we cannot harm civilians only government officials by doing this the population will follow suit

bolshevik butcher

2nd September 2005, 22:33

If htis was anywhere else in the world there'd be riots and protests and alternative politics sprawling up everywhere. It would be like france in '68.

Warren Peace

2nd September 2005, 22:55

Something DOES need to be done.

The people of New Orleans are taking action. Americans are finally realizing that the US government doesn't care about them. People are actually taking up arms against the National Gaurd! We need to support this rebels fighting to feed the feed their families. Viva New Orleans!

Entrails Konfetti

2nd September 2005, 23:02

This my friends is only a link in the chain of events that leads to the ending of capitalism.

I don't believe there are organized revolutionary units with a plan of action swimming around in the toxic stew.

If there are, that will bring guerilla warfare to a new level.
But until I hear about such organized insurgents shooting in the stew, its just too impracticle.

D_Bokk

3rd September 2005, 00:15

Personally I don't think an armed struggle would be all to bright in today's military world. For one we would obviously not gain the support of the majority or even close if we just begin to kill people. The average American has no clue whatsoever what we are fighting for and will equate it to Stalin... even a claim that we aren't "Stalins" will go unheard because that's all they were taught. Secondly we have no where to hide, satellites will spot us and then bomb us no matter where we go. Before the confrontation between the future and past occurs, we must gain control of all of these weapons or many Proletarians will die.

What I propose would be a democratic takeover. Simular to what occurred in Venezuela. Followed up by a new constitution to claim independent from our bourgeois past. Instead of giving a name to the party that involves Communism or Socialism - the party should preach to the people what they're going to do... the people will not disagree with us. The reason we do not want to describe ourselves as Communist is because with the name comes with 100+ years of anti-communist propaganda, lies and parties who claim communist then slaughter their own people... not because we're making a new ideology. We would need a charismatic leader though...

CubaSocialista

3rd September 2005, 00:38

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 11:33 PM
Personally I don't think an armed struggle would be all to bright in today's military world. For one we would obviously not gain the support of the majority or even close if we just begin to kill people. The average American has no clue whatsoever what we are fighting for and will equate it to Stalin... even a claim that we aren't "Stalins" will go unheard because that's all they were taught. Secondly we have no where to hide, satellites will spot us and then bomb us no matter where we go. Before the confrontation between the future and past occurs, we must gain control of all of these weapons or many Proletarians will die.

What I propose would be a democratic takeover. Simular to what occurred in Venezuela. Followed up by a new constitution to claim independent from our bourgeois past. Instead of giving a name to the party that involves Communism or Socialism - the party should preach to the people what they're going to do... the people will not disagree with us. The reason we do not want to describe ourselves as Communist is because with the name comes with 100+ years of anti-communist propaganda, lies and parties who claim communist then slaughter their own people... not because we're making a new ideology. We would need a charismatic leader though...
How about me?
:-P

Ownthink

3rd September 2005, 00:42

Originally posted by Revolt Now!@Sep 2 2005, 06:13 PM

Something DOES need to be done.

The people of New Orleans are taking action. Americans are finally realizing that the US government doesn't care about them. People are actually taking up arms against the National Gaurd! We need to support this rebels fighting to feed the feed their families. Viva New Orleans!
Just to clear up my point, I am in no way Pro-Guard being there. In fact, I totally agree with what you just said Revolt Now. THey should resist because they shouldn't have to be shot/arrested for "stealing" food to sustain themselves and their families.

Bannockburn

3rd September 2005, 01:02

I agree too. I think this is straight evidence for everyone to see the failure of government to respond to the needs of the people. There is to much tension, this could be the boiling point. I say about time.

hell, you even have Castro saying he'll send tones of medicine and nurses to New Orleans. I say lets do it!!

southernmissfan

3rd September 2005, 01:52

Gas will never go down below 2.50.

Despite what conservatives like to say, oil will run out eventually, and with China and India now in the market, we can already see the mad scramble. Iraq was only the first in a chain of 21st Century oil-related wars. The second Chavez cuts off his oil, Colombia will be used to take out Venezuela. China and Russia are already backing Iran, who is obviously already in the sights of the US.

Welcome everybody to the end of capitalism, and if they really screw it up, the end of the world. Lots of shit is going down, and even more is on the horizon.

Is anyone else seeing the sheer panic that I'm seeing? People are emptying out gas stations, supermarkets, etc. People are scared shitless, gas prices have went up to over $5 in some places (!), and of course, the oil companies are making a killing. With the chaos down in New Orleans, it's only a matter of time before martial law is implemented down there.

What people don't understand is how vital oil really is. Imagine everything you've ever bought from Wal-Mart or the supermarket. Guess how it got there. Prices of literally everything are going to start skyrocketing, and we're already seeing some of it. There's been a steady economic downslide for decades, and the working class has remained stagnant while the top 5% continue to grow richer and richer. But I think this might be the one event that really exposes the situation and makes the shit hit the fan. A major economic decline, not seen since the Great Depression.

I repeat: Say hello to the end of capitalism (and the bastards might just take the world with them).

novemba

3rd September 2005, 02:13

Ok, the time has come. Revolutionary brothers and sisters we must join together and act now...this is a window! The people are losing faith in the government and seeing what atrocities they're capable of commiting! We mus act now. Some steps of action for whoever is with me...

1)Designated Meeting Place where we finalize any plan of action we decide to take
2)Moving into New Orleans and gaining popular support by helping people
3)Taking control of the city and designating it a commune of the people.

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES! PARIS COMMUNE A LA USA!

if you are serious about taking action please contact me, you know how...

novemba

3rd September 2005, 02:38

come on yall we aint got time for this...bump!

PRC-UTE

3rd September 2005, 02:41

People are pretty upset, and events like the hurricane are really nails in the coffin for reactionary nationalism.

Seeker

3rd September 2005, 02:43

Within a week there will be 40,000 National Guard in the area.

Just sayin.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who like Nagin is a Democrat, was less confrontational than the mayor.

"When the system goes down, this is pretty much what you get," she said on CBS' "The Early Show." "We don't get into the blame game. We just work with what we got."

link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050902/ap_on_re_us/katrina_angry_mayor_hk1)

If it is apparent to her, it will be apparent to others. Like 9/11, this will break some people out of their sheltered existences.

If the "blame game" were played, I bet the Governor would lose. More than anyone else, she had the power to make an evacuation happen.

GreyHound is not letting people board unless they can pay. Three days before the storm hit, Blanco should have had GreyHound HQ on the phone, the phone to her ear, and a piece of legislation that would triple the property tax for all LA GreyHound locations below her pen.

Phalanx

3rd September 2005, 03:00

In no way could an armed uprising in america gain any success now. There is many battle-hardened soldiers that may likely stay loyal to the government. No matter what our numbers are, the US gov't could easily destroy us since they have 2.7 million people in the military, not to mention the millions of loyalist fools.

I think it's a bit funny that you can be arrested for talking about it, but the right to overthrow the government is in the constitution.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 03:17

Dear Comrades,

A plan of action has been made. Those who are interested please look further, those not please do not criticize because we haven't the time for that.
I and some of the members of this board as well as other people from around the country have decided to form a group of progressive revolutionaries whose main task will to be to go down to New Orleans and establish a peaceful People's Commune in order to better collect, help, and serve the people. Think of it as a modern day Paris Commune, except in New Orleans. Details cannot be discussed here but if you are interested please contact me.

In High Hopes,
Zackaria

novemba

3rd September 2005, 04:07

just making it clear that this is a coalition of ALL revolutionaries.

coda

3rd September 2005, 04:23

you guys better truck in some water, eh? Actually I think the best bet for revolution will be at the Houston Astrodome ---New Orleans will be a ghost town soon.. but the people in the Astrodome are gonna be pissed off in a few months after living in that place. Go reach those people.

rioters bloc

3rd September 2005, 04:32

best of luck :)

novemba

3rd September 2005, 04:42

you guys better truck in some water

We're bringing everything we can to help, and also organizing supply raids to feed the people.

the best bet for revolution

Our first priority is establishing a peaceful People's Commune in order to feed, clothe, and shelter those that the US government is denying.

Go reach those people

We hope to reach everyone we can.

best of luck

Thanks, but we need everyone we can get! Please consider working alongside us!

novemba

3rd September 2005, 04:57

http://prorevorg.atspace.com/

novemba

3rd September 2005, 06:04

Iepilei

3rd September 2005, 07:21

I hate to break it, but this situation may have the same revolutionary affect that the King riots had.

However, the current state of affairs will not leave people unaffected.

:ph34r:

rioters bloc

3rd September 2005, 07:25

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 02:00 PM

best of luck

Thanks, but we need everyone we can get! Please consider working alongside us!
i would def come, if i wasnt in australia :(

novemba

3rd September 2005, 16:31

bump. we need help ASAP.

GoaRedStar

3rd September 2005, 16:40

these are the article I have read today of the disaster.

http://wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/euro-s03.shtml

http://wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/hurr-s03.shtml

http://wsws.org/articles/2005/sep2005/noir-s03.shtml

http://www.marxist.com/hurricane-katrina-louisiana020905.htm

http://www.marxist.com/new-orleans-disaste...alism020905.htm (http://www.marxist.com/new-orleans-disaster-capitalism020905.htm)

All have a good analysis of the situation.

coda

3rd September 2005, 16:47

so, what's the plan? Was that organization just created in the last few days?

If you are seriously planning to go down there -- here's some tips because it could prove disasterous for you otherwise if you haven't considered everything and have the neccessary resources.

Don't go into the city of New Orleans & the French Quarter, etc. or anywhere where it's flooded. Go to the outskirts where you have access to supplies and shit. You don't want to get down there, get trapped and then have the government have to feed you and bail you out!!! If you are opening a food commune you have to consider how you are going to get food in and out. it's in pretty bad shape traveling around there.

Also, Remember, It would be disastrous for the left to announce they are going to do something.. especially on the scale of emergency relief aid and then not be able to carry out.. it would discredit the left movement fiercely, even worse.

so, if you can pull it off and have the necessary resources --- I think its a great noble revolutionary action.

h&s

3rd September 2005, 16:50

Originally posted by Zackaria
Our first priority is establishing a peaceful People's Commune in order to feed, clothe, and shelter those that the US government is denying.
This is a sectarian plan, and will fail. You can not possibly think that revolution can come from a small group of people separated from the working class?
By all means help the people, but this is no way of going about doing things.
It is up to the people to set up their own soviets, not you. We are here to be involved in them, but guiding not starting.
I agree that this situation has revolutionary thought creating potential, but it is not the start of a revolution.
Revolution takes a large mass movement created from below, not above, and must be widespread.
A revolution in one city will fail catastrophically, and counter-revolution would be violent and mercyless.

Zackaria, I would just get there and help people. Talk about why this happened, why the greed of capitalism has failed the city's defences and relief work, but do it in an informal way.

coda

3rd September 2005, 17:01

He's planning to start a food commune I think he said. I don't think he's aiming for an armed uprising.. maybe he is though since some of the people are already armed! All i know is that the food is being air dropped into new orleans..so, unless he has access to a helicopter then he may have some problems getting food into there! I think he should go to the Houston Astrodome where there are 15,000-20,000 proletariat who are probably primed right now for communism.

Zackaria, I think the workers strike is an excellent idea!

Nothing Human Is Alien

3rd September 2005, 17:16

For those of us that have no way to get to the area, I think this is have provided us with an important opening in dialogue. People are asking questions, and we have the answers!

I think it's important for us to get messages like this one (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp14a.html), in front of as many people as possible -- through emails, forums, chat rooms, bulletin boards, and passing out flyers.

It may not sound like much, but this is one opportunity for us to reach those who normaly may not listen.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 17:26

You can not possibly think that revolution can come from a small group of people separated from the working class?

First off, I agree, no it can't. Second of or immediate goal is setting up a food/shelter commune for the people in need. Whatever happens after that happens.

counter-revolution would be violent and mercyless.

And radicalize millions. I don't want this to happen but you know what reaction could come from it.

Zackaria, I would just get there and help people. Talk about why this happened, why the greed of capitalism has failed the city's defences and relief work, but do it in an informal way.

Agreed. That's what I plan on doing.

We need all the help we can get. Don't listen to the media, it's chaos down there. They are shooting and killing the poor just for looting from the big corporations.

WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT! HELP US IF YOU CAN! THIS IS URGENT!

Reds

3rd September 2005, 17:38

don`t use or trust the red cross.

Zingu

3rd September 2005, 18:00

Where could I donate money? Being a minor, I can't really go and join you guys, but I would love to donate money or goods if needed.

Anti-establishment

3rd September 2005, 18:02

update: we are gaining rapid support and already have 10 people and funds coming from other organizations that shall remain nameless upon personal request. THIS IS NO LONGER THEORY, IT IS ACTION. the dream has materialized. Please join us.

Sorry to be a spoil sport but...
10 people? Good Luck, and it has been said the National Guard will be on yer ass quicker than you can say ''Viva La....''.

Ownthink

3rd September 2005, 18:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 01:18 PM
Where could I donate money? Being a minor, I can't really go and join you guys, but I would love to donate money or goods if needed.
I second this, as I am in the same situation. I will donate some money/goods if needed.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 18:09

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:18 PM
Where could I donate money? Being a minor, I can't really go and join you guys, but I would love to donate money or goods if needed.
If you are willing to come, we'll figure out a way to get you there.

As for donatations please email us a [email protected] and well get back to you about what you can do.

10 people? Good Luck, and it has been said the National Guard will be on yer ass quicker than you can say ''Viva La....''.

the National Guard has nothing to do with us. Were just starting a peaceful commune until further notice.

violencia.Proletariat

3rd September 2005, 18:09

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 09:31 PM
Ok, the time has come. Revolutionary brothers and sisters we must join together and act now...this is a window! The people are losing faith in the government and seeing what atrocities they're capable of commiting! We mus act now. Some steps of action for whoever is with me...

1)Designated Meeting Place where we finalize any plan of action we decide to take
2)Moving into New Orleans and gaining popular support by helping people
3)Taking control of the city and designating it a commune of the people.

IMAGINE THE POSSIBLITIES! PARIS COMMUNE A LA USA!

if you are serious about taking action please contact me, you know how...
i guess you have noticed that in the past when there have been city wide communes, the paris commune, kwangju south korea, the governments will destroy them. now idk if its just me but starting a commune in a city that is completely destroyed in the first place doesnt make too much sense. you and 100 or 500 people cant support everyone who needs help there. those people NEED the aid that the government can provide them since they have to get resources from other parts of the country. how are you going to feed all those people because i doubt you will ever be donated enough money to feed them all. then you have to get trucks/vehicles to bring the food and water. you also need a medical team for all those people with medical conditions. i admire your heart but, i think you are being a bit unrealistic. i do agree this is a big culmination of the face of capitalism and that many people might be changed by this BUT i do not think New Orleans can be turned into a commune.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 18:18

the governments will destroy them

We'll defend the commune if we have to.

starting a commune in a city that is completely destroyed in the first place doesnt make too much sense

What's that Marx said about revolution....something about some system being completely destoryed before you will be able to move on...wasn't it something like that? </sarcasm> The fact of the matter is the only people that are left in New Orleans are the poor, the proletariat. Genuine.

those people NEED the aid that the government can provide them since they have to get resources from other parts of the country

That's a dillusion you are getting from watching capitalist media. The goevernment is not feeding the people. They need help. New Orleans is a big city. The first thing we'd do once we got there would be to set-up food, water, and weapons raids.

you also need a medical team for all those people with medical conditions

We have contacted both the Cuban and Venezualan Ministries of Foriegn Affairs in hopes of them sending us doctors and medical supplies.

do agree this is a big culmination of the face of capitalism and that many people might be changed by this

If we're not taking step fowards, we're moving backwards.

Matty_UK

3rd September 2005, 18:40

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 05:36 PM

the governments will destroy them

We'll defend the commune if we have to.

starting a commune in a city that is completely destroyed in the first place doesnt make too much sense

What's that Marx said about revolution....something about some system being completely destoryed before you will be able to move on...wasn't it something like that? </sarcasm> The fact of the matter is the only people that are left in New Orleans are the poor, the proletariat. Genuine.

those people NEED the aid that the government can provide them since they have to get resources from other parts of the country

That's a dillusion you are getting from watching capitalist media. The goevernment is not feeding the people. They need help. New Orleans is a big city. The first thing we'd do once we got there would be to set-up food, water, and weapons raids.

you also need a medical team for all those people with medical conditions

We have contacted both the Cuban and Venezualan Ministries of Foriegn Affairs in hopes of them sending us doctors and medical supplies.

do agree this is a big culmination of the face of capitalism and that many people might be changed by this

If we're not taking step fowards, we're moving backwards.
Mate, if I where you the important thing is to set up a commune to defend people and then announce that you've set up a communist commune and denounce the behaviour of the cops sent in, defending property over people. That should be enough. If they try and crush you, disperse. That way, you survive and your message gets out; it will be enough to get a revolutionary movement going.

violencia.Proletariat

3rd September 2005, 18:50

We'll defend the commune if we have to.

the national guard is already there, you wont be able to make defences now, and you cant stop them with a few guns from walmart.

That's a dillusion you are getting from watching capitalist media. The goevernment is not feeding the people. They need help. New Orleans is a big city. The first thing we'd do once we got there would be to set-up food, water, and weapons raids.

no its not a dillusion, the government and orgs like red cross can obtain more aid than you can. i understand they havent been feeding the people, but you wont be able to either without massive ammounts of aid which i doubt you could obtain. where are you going to get this food and water? if your turning it into a commune you are basically sayin we are staying here and going to defend it. if im not mistaken i bet most people stuck there WANT TO GET OUT.

We have contacted both the Cuban and Venezualan Ministries of Foriegn Affairs in hopes of them sending us doctors and medical supplies.

you dont have the authority to let planes from cuba/venezuela land here. you are most likely not going to get aid from them without the government ok'ing it.

Seeker

3rd September 2005, 18:55

Matty speaks the truth.

This is a logistics nightmare.

But as was said above, the people are "primed" to hear your message.

YoUnG192

3rd September 2005, 19:00

I don't mean to offend anyone but liberals in America have no balls whatsoever. This plan won't be sought out.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 19:09

Mate, if I where you the important thing is to set up a commune to defend people and then announce that you've set up a communist commune and denounce the behaviour of the cops sent in, defending property over people. That should be enough. If they try and crush you, disperse. That way, you survive and your message gets out; it will be enough to get a revolutionary movement going.

That's the plan.

but liberals in America have no balls whatsoever

Who gives a fuck about the liberals, I'm talking about the people.

Seeker

3rd September 2005, 19:10

I just heared there will be a tent city in Pascagoula, MS.

Chevron is opening a 500,000sq foot refinery and is providing food and water for anyone who wants to camp inside.

peru_anny

3rd September 2005, 19:17

will the cops arrest you in Canada for blocking the entrances to gas stations?

YoUnG192

3rd September 2005, 19:18

When are you guys going down there then?

Karl Marx's Camel

3rd September 2005, 19:37

How many people reside in New Orleans?

Nothing Human Is Alien

3rd September 2005, 20:03

484,674

The Feral Underclass

3rd September 2005, 20:20

So what we're talking about here is a group of high school kids going to New Orleans, stealing some guns from walmart, declaring a communist commune and asking Cuba to support you?

I don't think you've thought this through.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 20:28

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 3 2005, 02:38 PM

I don't think you've thought this through.

We have, and we're organized. The next step is going down there, but we feel our numbers aren't great enough.

So what we're talking about here is a group of high school kids

Don't judge us because of our age. We have a variety of members, actually. FYI the average age of the Paris '68 rioter was 17.4 yrs old, and the head member of the revolutionary council was only 21

stealing some guns from walmart

Have you ever been to New Orleans? Theres crazy gunstores everywhere. 1 in 4 New Orleaners own a hand gun.

declaring a communist commune and asking Cuba to support you

Peoples Commune, and yes, you got it.

TAT, I'm just curious, are you opposed to EVERY form of revolution, or just the ones I try to organize?

peru_anny

3rd September 2005, 20:41

the people in new orleans right now are going nuts. They're really angry even at the national guard because they've taken so long to get there. its a great idea to take advantage of that anger and grasp it in any way possible. First by getting in there and putting up the first wall and helping them rebuild their lives. Once youve got the people trust they will take that anger and fight back. Stop questioning and begin to beleive. It doesnt matter if things fail at least youve taken a step forward

novemba

3rd September 2005, 20:50

its a great idea to take advantage of that anger and grasp it in any way possible

We're just trying to help the people get organized and realize their revolutionary potential. The rest is up to the people, but I don't want to be seen as taking advantage of anything or anyone.

Stop questioning and begin to beleive

Question all you want, but still believe. :P

at least youve taken a step forward

Agreed.

PRC-UTE

3rd September 2005, 20:52

Best of luck to you, comrade Zackaria.

What you're doing is glorious. To paraphrase Durruti, even if you 'fail' in the bourgeois sense of the word, the act of participating is a victory. The fact that anyone can think of this as a revolutionary opportunity shows the kind of shake up that's occuring.

Going to Mexico, Venezuala, Cuba, etc to support our comrades is usually not possible for most of us.

This is!

Karl Marx's Camel

3rd September 2005, 20:54

When are you leaving?

Get going! You have nothing to lose...!!

If I had the chance, I would have stood by your side, but I am on the other side of the world, and I have no money to go (besides, with those moneys I would have gone to a place where a revolutionary situation actually exist).

PRC-UTE

3rd September 2005, 20:58

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 04:34 PM
For those of us that have no way to get to the area, I think this is have provided us with an important opening in dialogue. People are asking questions, and we have the answers!

I think it's important for us to get messages like this one (http://www.freepeoplesmovement.org/fp14a.html), in front of as many people as possible -- through emails, forums, chat rooms, bulletin boards, and passing out flyers.

It may not sound like much, but this is one opportunity for us to reach those who normaly may not listen.
I agree completely.

Everyone, follow our comrade's adivce. Print it out, hand it out, email it, whatever.

This is the chance to show the practical, real world side of our politics!

I posted at my forum as well. I hope it gets wide release.

novemba

3rd September 2005, 21:10

Thanks for the support everyone.

Paypal will be up on my site soon, make donations here http://prorevorg.atspace.com

Also, well be uploading flyers soon so keep checkin back

E-mail me if you would like to help in ANY way

Zack

novemba

3rd September 2005, 23:05

paypal is up.

http://www.freewebs.com/prorevorg

The Feral Underclass

3rd September 2005, 23:43

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:46 PM
TAT, I'm just curious, are you opposed to EVERY form of revolution, or just the ones I try to organize?
It isn't revolution! At the most generous it's insurrection and at worse it's fantasy. The idea that a group of people, of whatever age, can go to New Orleans and try to subvert people to create a "communist peoples commune" is highly unlikely.

First of all, you won't be able to get anywhere near the city and even if you did, what would you find? Corpse's? Gun happy policemen, who I hasten to add, killed a 16 year old boy earlier for crossing the road. They ran him down, got out of the car and shot him in the head: The City is in complete devastation with police and national guards shooting people because they can. Do you think the best thing you could do for the "revolution" is get shot?

Working class people, I'm assuming it's them you're doing this for, are now locked in a huge dome with rotting bodies without food or much else: Do you think, even if you got into the dome, you would be able to rally them to your course? No! They'd probably lynch you.

I'm all up for acts of insurrection; when it's suitable and when the idea is a) much more planned, b) with people who know what they're doing and c) not discussed in an open forum where, for all you know, the police and god knows what monitor.

I think the best thing for you to do is to quickly produce a Zine, an A-4 newsletter highlighting what is going on down there. Talk about the police brutality, government negligence and overt class repression i.e. the containment of angry [because they're starving and have no medicine] working class people who get shot if they don't do what they're told. Educate people in your communities about the reasons for all this and debate the alternatives.

It's not quite as glorious as marching down there with guns blazing, but it will be far more effective in peoples struggle.

Matty_UK

4th September 2005, 00:03

The Anarchist Tension is right; chances are websites like this are monitered, and the CIA already has a plan to crush you asap. If you got down earlier, then it could have worked but now it is too late. Let it pass.

The Feral Underclass

4th September 2005, 00:04

Maybe you could do some form of direct action in your town?

I like the idea of setting up a food or water shelter or attempting to propagate your ideas to people in the dome. What ever happens then happens I guess. But the idea of going down there to get guns and start shooting the police is not good.

Remember. This is the people of New Orlean's fight. It's their repsonsability to take action.

coda

4th September 2005, 00:27

<<Maybe you could do some form of direct action in your town?
I like the idea of setting up a food or water shelter or attempting to propagate your ideas to people in the dome. What ever happens then happens I guess. But the idea of going down there to get guns and start shooting the police is not good.>>

good idea as new orleans is swarming with military and almost totally evacuated. I don't think anybody is planning to stay there. Local Action is needed as well. hey, but If you do get there, don't forget to look for RedStar2000 who would probably join you, and may even need rescuing. But still, I think the people who would be most receptive are the people at the Houston dome, the tent city and other semi-permanent shelters.

Matty_UK

4th September 2005, 00:31

Hmm is anyone else worried about redstar? Surely someone would have heard from him by now? It's been days since he left to flee Katrina....

Xvall

4th September 2005, 00:37

Redstar is a big boy, he can take care of himself.

Iepilei

4th September 2005, 00:45

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 11:49 PM
Hmm is anyone else worried about redstar? Surely someone would have heard from him by now? It's been days since he left to flee Katrina....
Whatever happens to him, happens to him. I won't be heart-broken either way.

:ph34r:

Insomniac

4th September 2005, 00:56

Remember. This is the people of New Orlean's fight. It's their repsonsability to take action.

I agree that people cannot just drive into New Orleanes and lead a revolution or an act of anti-state resistance as putting the people of NO into the line of fire when they are not at a stage when they want to rebel and take up arms against the state in unfair to the people.

However instead of trying to establish a commune or an alternative political system in NO, there is one way in which you could use armed resistance in a constructive way.

As TAT pointed out in one of his posts, a 16 year old person was run over and then shot in the head by the police for no reason whatsoever.

The police and the National Guard are going crazy and as they are given a free run to do whatever they like, are openly displaying their fascistic and anti-proletarian characteristics as they kill people for no reason as they now act on the years of brainwashing they went through in the army and police whereby they are taught to hate anyone from the poorer and less powerful sections of society.

My advice would be to get people down there with guns and video recorders and cameras.

The purpose of which would be to record all acts of police and NG butality towards the people!

And by the way things are going, you would get a lot of recordings done!

With a website set up you could then make these recordings public and then show the oppressed people in America what the real purpose of the police and military is!

Nothing to so with 'protect and serve' or 'defending the freedoms and lives of Americans.'

The part of being armed would be for your own self defence and also to attack NG and police units of you actually see them harming people or killing the innocent!

Even if your members were arrested for this, the eventual trial would grip the American public's attention as the trail would be about people being arrested for killing a NG trooper or a policeman who was video taped and recorded abusing, killing and harming innocent people in NO.

But the commune thing would need a lot more support and the support of the NO working class.

Even if there is transport, as there are so many cars and trucks to just take as they are lying in the roads, you would need people to drive them.

Cars and food are everywhere in NO. It's just that the NG and police are shooting people for taking food as property rights are still more important in the eyes of the ruling class than the right to life!

Decolonize The Left

4th September 2005, 01:35

Look, I don't think this is well enough understood.

1) This is not a revolution. This is a bunch of people (from the Left...), organizing and helping the people of New Orleans who are not getting the help they need.

2) This will be done by establishing a commune where they can come and eat, receive medical attention, and be sheltered. They will all be asked to contribute in some minor way, but they will get the necessities they are currently lacking.

3) Your age/profession/whatever does not matter. If you want to help, and have some means of getting there, we ask that you join us. All hands are needed and will help these people, as well as get the message out.

4) The message is not one of revolution. It is one which will demonstrate the lack of care by the capitalist class for the working class, and it will show that in the end it is the working people that suffer. That is it. This organization is primarily for aid, and secondarily for message.

5) The national guard/police/government will not interfer with a commune that is helping the people as long as it is non-violent. They will welcome what aid arrives, and we will continue to provide that aid until it is no longer needed.

6) This commune will generate the support of the people. It is not for personal interests that we do this, although it may appear to be. When you think about it, in order to achieve the revolution, the people must rise up on their own. And the first step to this is to have them see the problems with capitalism and the government. This commune is a way to show this to them, while at the same time providing humanitarian aid to those who need it most.

Please do write to the email above and provide funds/supplies/whatever you can. If you have means to make it to the New Orleans area, we ask that you do so, as you will be doing a great service to the people of New Orleans, the victims of Katrina and the lack of government support, and the revolutionary cause. This is not a joke, it is for real. Now is the time for all you so called "revolutionaries" to take the first step towards the revolution and get out there and make something positive happen.

In solidarity,
-- August

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 01:44

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 08:53 PM
Look, I don't think this is well enough understood.

1) This is not a revolution. This is a bunch of people (from the Left...), organizing and helping the people of New Orleans who are not getting the help they need.

2) This will be done by establishing a commune where they can come and eat, receive medical attention, and be sheltered. They will all be asked to contribute in some minor way, but they will get the necessities they are currently lacking.

3) Your age/profession/whatever does not matter. If you want to help, and have some means of getting there, we ask that you join us. All hands are needed and will help these people, as well as get the message out.

4) The message is not one of revolution. It is one which will demonstrate the lack of care by the capitalist class for the working class, and it will show that in the end it is the working people that suffer. That is it. This organization is primarily for aid, and secondarily for message.

5) The national guard/police/government will not interfer with a commune that is helping the people as long as it is non-violent. They will welcome what aid arrives, and we will continue to provide that aid until it is no longer needed.

6) This commune will generate the support of the people. It is not for personal interests that we do this, although it may appear to be. When you think about it, in order to achieve the revolution, the people must rise up on their own. And the first step to this is to have them see the problems with capitalism and the government. This commune is a way to show this to them, while at the same time providing humanitarian aid to those who need it most.

Please do write to the email above and provide funds/supplies/whatever you can. If you have means to make it to the New Orleans area, we ask that you do so, as you will be doing a great service to the people of New Orleans, the victims of Katrina and the lack of government support, and the revolutionary cause. This is not a joke, it is for real. Now is the time for all you so called "revolutionaries" to take the first step towards the revolution and get out there and make something positive happen.

In solidarity,
-- August
Extremely profound post, AugustWest. Really, that was a great post. I plan on sending funds to help out the PRO as soon as my PayPal gets un-fucked. The time to actually make a difference is now. Don't be another lazy leftist!

By the way, is there any proof of the Police/Guard shooting and killing a 16 year old kid? I know it is extremely possible (and probably happened), but I just want to see some evidence or maybe a link, because everyone I know thinks that could never happen in this blessed America.

violencia.Proletariat

4th September 2005, 01:54

i heard on the news they are evactuating the last of the people at the superdome and at the convention center, by the time you get down there everyone will be gone anyways.

Seeker

4th September 2005, 02:30

I would not post it here, but you'd best have a plan for:

1) How will you get food?

2) How will you get water?

3) Where will you sleep?

Some services to consider:

1) Child care. Try to find mothers that would be willing to watch someone elses kids for a few hours at a time. Once you have enough volunteers, the tent city/stadium/whatever will have a self-sustaining nursery and day-care center. I believe someone has already gone through this effort in the Astrodome (the 1st stadium in Texas to be filled).

2) E-mail/internet access. If you decide to go someplace with electricity and phone lines, bring your computer. The web is a great tool (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/) for reuniting families.

3) Literature. Bring LOTS and lots of literature (pamphlets, flyers, whatever). There are 13,000+ people in the Houston Astrodome alone, all of them with nothing to do but read the crap people hand to them.

(not to imply your flyers would be crap, I've just come to refer to all unsolicited solicitations as crap.)

guerillablack

4th September 2005, 02:36

Nate, they evacuated the last of the people from superdome and convention center. They would have done it earlier except 2,000 more people had came since they started. IE, they are more people still stuck in those states. They are still thousands of people still stranded and who have never made it to the dome.

Zack, i applaud your efforts. And i would do the same as i could. You must realize the severity of things down there. As a comrade said earlier you have to have everything mapped out now. You must know you can get food in. Are you sure you can do that? I'm all for grass root level organizations. If you get down there and actually can set something up, i will do a food drive at my college and other schools i'm affiliated with and send it to you.

I always said that there doesn't need to take a hundre years to have a thousand conditions to have an uprising or revolutionary atmoshphere, just one event can flip everything. This has raised alot of afrikan-american consciousness. I mean people who don't even talk about revolution are saying how shit needs to be done and are down for action.

As the other comrade said, record things if you can. I don't want this media biasness no more. That would be excellent if you can get the real deal, because their are still sections flooded and with people trapped!

Get at me brother.

Ownthink

4th September 2005, 02:42

I mean people who don't even talk about revolution are saying how shit needs to be done and are down for action.

Yeah, I was reading the local paper's responses by the people (which is usually pretty right-wing in responses), and every single person was pissed at the Government, and seriously was down for ANY action that included kicking their ass. People are fucking fed up with this shit. Someone even commented "this is the last straw, America. let us punish those responsible for this corrupt government" and shit like that. People are finally starting to wake up and realize.

Hell, the News even mentioned tonight that "Socialists are saying the cause of this delay of aid is because the areas hit were full of poor minorities". You usually don't hear anything about Socialists on the News. At least not like that.

:hammer: Forever!

novemba

4th September 2005, 03:30

August, Ownthink, and GB, great posts.

We are not starting insurrection. The main purpose of this mission is to show solidarity with the poor and underpriviliged in New Orleans at a time when no one else is. While we are helping we will hopefully help the realize that the system doesn't care about them, and the reality of it is if you have no money you have no rights. We are serious about this. 100% serious. PLEASE HELP US REVOLUTIONARIES OF ALL SORTS, THIS IS NO LONGER A REQUEST, THIS IS A PLEA. WE NEED YOUR HELP.

Regarding plans, we have though out every detail of this mission. You are going to have to trust us on this one, because like Matty said, they are watching us. And if they are, I just want to make it clear that this is going to be a 100% peaceful process if we can help it. I repeat, 100% peaceful process. If you would like to help us and learn the details, please contact me.

HELP US! HELP THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE! HELP THE NEW ORLEANS COMMUNE!

novemba

4th September 2005, 03:44

Flyers. Distribute them if you can.

novemba

4th September 2005, 05:24

bump...time is running out

The Feral Underclass

4th September 2005, 09:26

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:48 AM
The main purpose of this mission is to show solidarity with the poor and underpriviliged in New Orleans at a time when no one else is.
Then I wish you luck.

Seeker

4th September 2005, 11:03

*edit*

I was going to post a link to an amature radio group that is volunteering their services in the recovery effort, but I checked out their sight and they mostly work for the goverment.

novemba

4th September 2005, 19:54

The plans are beginning to materialize. We now have 6 people and more possibly coming plus numerous pledges of monetary support. We need you help!

http://www.freewebs.com/prorevorg

violencia.Proletariat

4th September 2005, 19:57

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:12 PM
The plans are beginning to materialize. We now have 6 people and more possibly coming plus numerous pledges of monetary support. We need you help!

http://www.freewebs.com/prorevorg
who are you going to help now? there arent any mass crowds left. its just people stuck in their homes. do you have a helicopter?

novemba

4th September 2005, 20:05

who are you going to help now?

There is still gonna be an estimated 5-10,000 people left according to CNN, and they aren't gonna have any food or anything. We're still going to get inside the city and establish our commune, and hopefully when people in Houston get sick of living in the Astrodome and want to come back home, they'll come join us.

do you have a helicopter?

Yeah, I keep on in my garage just in case. My wife said I was crazy for buying it, hate to say I told you so....</sarcasm>

bunk

4th September 2005, 20:10

So your going to establish a commune in New Orleans and hopefully get some of the remaining people there to join your commune? How much water is left there and how will you start your commune? Are you just going to squat a building? I think it's a great initiative!

novemba

4th September 2005, 20:15

Josh, most of the details are in the thread but our basic plan is to go set up a squat-like commune and bring along what food,water, and medical supplies we can and help the people still stuck in New Orleans. If you are interested in helping us please contact us at [email protected]

bunk

4th September 2005, 20:19

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 07:33 PM
Josh, most of the details are in the thread but our basic plan is to go set up a squat-like commune and bring along what food,water, and medical supplies we can and help the people still stuck in New Orleans. If you are interested in helping us please contact us at [email protected]
When i said water i meant how much of NO is still flooded but anway it's cool. If you don't get there pretty soon maybe everyone will have been evacuated, i think it's happening pretty fast. I'm unfortunately in England so can't help.

danny android

4th September 2005, 21:04

so when are you planning on going down there?

novemba

4th September 2005, 21:35

As soon as we have enough people, but no one seems to be committing. Everyone wants to go but they wont until were actually leaving, and were not gonna actually leave until they commit to going. So pass out those flyers, spread the word, we need all the volunteers we can get!

Anti-establishment

4th September 2005, 21:42

Isn't New Orleans under quarantine? I seen a news clip of a father who wasn't allowed in to find his daugter (very young child at that). The only hope you have is sneaking in but thats a pretty roundabout way of starting off.

Psy

4th September 2005, 21:47

Originally posted by Anti-[email protected] 4 2005, 09:00 PM
Isn't New Orleans under quarantine? I seen a news clip of a father who wasn't allowed in to find his daugter (very young child at that). The only hope ypu have is sneaking in but thats a pretty roundabout way of starting off.
It is not under quarantie, they turned New Orleans into a concentration camp, they not just preventing people from comming in but from leaving and all they do is move people from one concentration camp to the next.

novemba

4th September 2005, 22:21

Very well put. That's why they need our help. Sneakin or not :angry: ;)

Phalanx

4th September 2005, 23:12

Police say they have just shot 8 people armed with guns, and they killed 5 or 6 of them. I think this is more of an instance of police trigger-happiness than actual self-defense. Looks as though our dear Leader has everything once again in control under his iron grip.

violencia.Proletariat

4th September 2005, 23:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 03:23 PM

who are you going to help now?

There is still gonna be an estimated 5-10,000 people left according to CNN, and they aren't gonna have any food or anything. We're still going to get inside the city and establish our commune, and hopefully when people in Houston get sick of living in the Astrodome and want to come back home, they'll come join us.

do you have a helicopter?

Yeah, I keep on in my garage just in case. My wife said I was crazy for buying it, hate to say I told you so....</sarcasm>
what i ment by that was many people are stuck flooded in their houses, do you have any kind of boats to bring them to one place? what makes you think people would want to come back to live in a lake? and again as others have said, you probably wont be allowed acess to the city in the first place.

novemba

5th September 2005, 00:29

do you have any kind of boats

Inflatable rafts.

what makes you think people would want to come back to live in a lake

Some people just want to go home. But, obviously some houses aren't accessible at the moment, and that's where we come in.

and again as others have said, you probably wont be allowed acess to the city in the first place

Oh we're not, but that's not gonna stop us.

Seeker

5th September 2005, 00:47

NEW ORLEANS - In the absence of information and outside assistance, groups of rich and poor banded together in the French Quarter, forming "tribes" and dividing up the labor.

What they call "tribes", I would call communes.

As some went down to the river to do the wash, others remained behind to protect property.

. . .

Johnny White's [a bar] . . . "It's our community center," said Marcie Ramsey, 33, whom Katrina promoted from graveyard shift bartender to acting manager.

. . .

A few blocks away, a dozen people in three houses got together and divided the labor. One group went to the Mississippi River to haul water, one cooked, one washed the dishes.

"We're the tribe of 12," 76-year-old Carolyn Krack said

This, combined with the fact that most of the cops turned in their badges, makes me hopefull. It would seem that people's natural reactions to adversity are exactly as we need them to be for a successful revolution.

*edit*
source (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_re_us/katrina_surviving_in_the_quarter_hk1)

Ownthink

5th September 2005, 00:49

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 08:05 PM

NEW ORLEANS - In the absence of information and outside assistance, groups of rich and poor banded together in the French Quarter, forming "tribes" and dividing up the labor.

What they call "tribes", I would call communes.

As some went down to the river to do the wash, others remained behind to protect property.

. . .

Johnny White's [a bar] . . . "It's our community center," said Marcie Ramsey, 33, whom Katrina promoted from graveyard shift bartender to acting manager.

. . .

A few blocks away, a dozen people in three houses got together and divided the labor. One group went to the Mississippi River to haul water, one cooked, one washed the dishes.

"We're the tribe of 12," 76-year-old Carolyn Krack said

This, combined with the fact that most of the cops turned in their badges, makes me hopefull. It would seem that people's natural reactions to adversity are exactly as we need them to be for a successful revolution.
Indeed, Comrade. I was hoping that they would come out of this banding together, and it looks like some people are doing just that! By the way, those do sound an awful lot like communes to me as well. :lol:

:hammer:

guerillablack

5th September 2005, 03:22

There are prolly dozens of these however media would rather potray everyone as savages.

Psy

5th September 2005, 03:49

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 02:40 AM
There are prolly dozens of these however media would rather potray everyone as savages.
Well before they cracked down on looting all the violence was people fighting to get rescued (think Titanic when the passenger release there is not life boats) yet the looting was pretty normal, the most violent looting video the networks had before the looting crackdown was a young black man tossing a brick into a window of a Walgreen's and then a bunch of people cailmly walking in yet during this video they were saying how violent this was as if they were not even watching the same video.

As for why they are not treating law enforcement with respect well like a black survivor said that IF the law enforcement treated them with respect they would treat them with respect, he was in a group of about 1,000 and 50 police cars came and they refuse to give them a lift when none of them had anyone in the back and empty army trucks also refused to give them a ride inface the troops just pointed guns at them when they did give them the time of day.

Decolonize The Left

5th September 2005, 05:24

Whether or not the police are letting people leave NO is of no matter.

If they are not: fine, we go in and help the people inside, and establish some form of security for them in their own town, where they don't need to be afraid of lacking necessities of life. We will establish the commune inside the city, and the people will come and learn that they can help themselves, and at the same time, help others. This will be the foundation of future relief efforts.

If they are allowed to leave: fine. We establish the commune nearby and let whomever needs help to come get the help they need.

I don't think the people will shun help.... do you?

And I don't think they police/national guard/government will shun other sources of American aid.... do you?

So then what is to lose? What is the fucking problem?

So what if it doesn't work? We tried didn't we?

-- August

Psy

5th September 2005, 05:42

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:42 AM
Whether or not the police are letting people leave NO is of no matter.

If they are not: fine, we go in and help the people inside, and establish some form of security for them in their own town, where they don't need to be afraid of lacking necessities of life. We will establish the commune inside the city, and the people will come and learn that they can help themselves, and at the same time, help others. This will be the foundation of future relief efforts.

If they are allowed to leave: fine. We establish the commune nearby and let whomever needs help to come get the help they need.

I don't think the people will shun help.... do you?

And I don't think they police/national guard/government will shun other sources of American aid.... do you?

So then what is to lose? What is the fucking problem?

So what if it doesn't work? We tried didn't we?

-- August
Recent news is that there is now a manditory evacuation yet there are a number that are refusing to leave. Ontop of that troops are under shoot on site policy, a man wanted to rescue a dog from a house but a solider threatened to kill the unarmed man if he tried as the house didn't belong to him and he was order to protect private property by any means. Reports are that helicopers are no longer doing much rescue and instead on patrols, they have been reported to buzz homes of people that refuse to leave.

bunk

5th September 2005, 07:44

There are thousands of soldiers there now and hardly any people except for armed gangs. Are you armed. It would be very dangerous to establish a commune now

rapidfiringneurons

5th September 2005, 08:33

It is worth noting that the establishment of a commune in the united states is always a dangerous proposition, now or ever, but that should not stop anyone with the courage to do so.

The point has been made that there is great unrest in the US due both to a silent energy crisis and an governmentally overlooked natural disaster. Now seems to me to be as good of a time as any.

Remember, comrades: hasta la victoria, SIEMPRE!

5th September 2005, 09:36

I think the last place for a cimmune is in NOLA. The best place for it is going to be where it already is, with the folks with Camp Casey. Support not only for the anti-war movement will have an INCREDIBBLE amount of support coming from what has happened in NOLA. Hell, they can't find the censor button fast enough to shut the media up this time. And I'm serious, the questions are there and they are not going away. I am reminded of the book "After Capitalism". All it takes is one disaster to "break the levee" (sorry for the analogy) between the US and all out Fascism or Socialism. This is the anti-9/11. 9/11 brought the people together UNDER the government. Katrina is bringing the people together ABOVE the government.

h&s

5th September 2005, 10:02

Zackaria: Get down there as soon as possible.
If you really want ot help the people you should have gone their as soon as the hurricane passed.
Forget trying to recruit through the internet, and get down there with your stuff and help! These things require urgency!
You say this is now reality not theory - so why are you still here a week later?

Entrails Konfetti

5th September 2005, 16:37

Here are some things that must be considered :

All of the so-called communes in the USA have their own means of production: East Winds, Zendik Farms,ect.

They all pay property taxes so they are really just a business where everyone has equal share.

Assuming you can get through the police blockades;
if you are going to squat a building it would have to be a fuctional hotel room, abandoned scout camp, anything with tons of beds. It will be extremely rare that such a place has a means of production and hasn't been comandeered already.
Assuming you can find such a place and once this has been setteled, the companies who you are taking this from will want it back.

Even if you some how manage to rally up 5,000 people the National guard will come in and rip it to shreds. I don't believe these tired and pissed off evacuees will want to fight off an attack.They just want to get the fuck out. And those people who are shooting at the Guard are trigger-happy gangsters having their fun, who are also going around raping people.

Also,what must be considered,your going to be looking around for a place awhile the national guard is EVERYWHERE, how are you going to be undetected for a week or two with starving people who have no place to go?
The National Guard has already turned back an anarchist aid raft, its says on inforshop.org's front page.

If you do go down there, I think the primary thing to do would be to work with other groups like the NAACP and the Malcolm X Network and set up relief efforts.
Be an organization that works with other organizations. Also, you can write reports for IndyMedia.org. If circumstances look possible for such a commune, then you should act.

You keep saying " Think of this as the Paris Commune in the USA" well I don't know too much about the Paris Commune, but I'm sure that the part that was taken over in Parish was a functional production district with reasonable accomadation and it was planned.

As much as I admire your imagination and heart, you have got to use logic.
Foolheartiness doesn't achieve victory, it gets everyone killed. Imagination in such circumstances is useless without logic and discipline. Being seen as a hero should be last on your list, the first would be trying to help people.

bunk

5th September 2005, 17:41

Lengthy traffic queues have formed on the approaches to suburban New Orleans as residents who fled Hurricane Katrina return to inspect their homes.
BBC

If your serious then it could work. Probably better to sneak past the army and gunmen though

Entrails Konfetti

5th September 2005, 18:12

Save Sean Penn while youre at it!

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/penns-...5772442856.html

novemba

5th September 2005, 18:29

Dear Comrades, thank you for your support but I'm sorry to inform you that we are ending the campaign to create a commune in New Orleans. Most of the damage has been done, and all us creating this commune would do is take away from the attention other people need right now. In order to win the war we have to choose our battles, and this one has been lost. But don't worry, with many upcoming protests you'll be sure to see us fighting there, and make sure to check our website, http://www.freewebs.org/prorevorg, for more information. Thanks for the support. And remember, the victims of this disaster still need out help, so do what you can to help them.

-Zack