hostility towards RCP?

[pkdlenin]

I'm new to the forum and I'm wondering why there seems to be so much hostility towards the RCP. I would like to get the core of what turns people off about the RCP. Is it the emphasis on leaders generally and Bob Avakian specifically? Or does it go beyond the cult of personality?
Also, those who are sympathetic towards the RCP, how do you get beyond the cult of personality issue?

thanks

[RASH chris]

The "cult of personality" doesn't really bother me. I mean, RCPers honesltly believe that Chairman Avakian's analysis is groundbreaking and revoultionary, so why shouldn't they follow him?

My beef is that they believe in representative government. Fully empowering the workers is not thier goal, they believe the party will always exist and will always e operating in the role of making decisions for society, even once communism has been attained.

They see the state only as a tool of class supression, and therefore, by their logic, even though a representative body that makes decisions for the workers still exists, it is not a state because there are no classes. I think that theory is anti-marxist in nature.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I'm new to the forum and I'm wondering why there seems to be so much hostility towards the RCP. I would like to get the core of what turns people off about the RCP. Is it the emphasis on leaders generally and Bob Avakian specifically? Or does it go beyond the cult of personality?
Also, those who are sympathetic towards the RCP, how do you get beyond the cult of personality issue?

thanks

This sounds alot to me like baiting from an RCPer, although I could be wrong.

[RASH chris]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2005, 02:06 PM

I'm new to the forum and I'm wondering why there seems to be so much hostility towards the RCP. I would like to get the core of what turns people off about the RCP. Is it the emphasis on leaders generally and Bob Avakian specifically? Or does it go beyond the cult of personality?
Also, those who are sympathetic towards the RCP, how do you get beyond the cult of personality issue?

thanks

This sounds alot to me like baiting from an RCPer, although I could be wrong.
I thought the same thing, but that doesn't mean you can't have a debate with them.

[Guest]

No I'm not a member of the RCP. I live near a Revolution books and have visited the RCP's website and am still in the process of figuring out what I think of them and whether or not they are an organization I would want to be involved with. There are some things I like about them but their are others that repel me so I thought I'd see what seems to be apparent which is the hostility they illicit. Sorry, conspiracy here gentlemen.

[MKS]

The RCP is a detriment to the Socialist/Anarchist movement, or any movement that seeks a truly democratic and equal society. Their loyalty to their leader is almost cult like and can be compared to the cults of Mao and Stalin (obviously not on such a large scale) .

Personaly I would fight against RCP before fighting against the Cappies in order to ensure that one tyranny is not replaced by another.

[celticfire]

MKS : I think your left-splitting is the biggest problem, the RCP works with orgs like NION (which Chomsky is a founding signer) not to mention Avakian has suggested many times that people should READ Chomsky's stuff. There is no cult. The RCP promotes leadership like the Panthers did. What's wrong with that?

Who is Bob Avakian? (http://celticfire.t35.com/bob.shtml)

[PRC-UTE]

The RCP does good broad front work, they also get the fact that first world workers are indeed workers correct.

Other than that, their crazy hierarchy and cult are really counterproductive.

[Anarchist Freedom]

I dislike the RCP. Why? because they are counter revolutionary and are maoists.

[MKS]

MKS : I think your left-splitting is the biggest problem, the RCP works with orgs like NION (which Chomsky is a founding signer) not to mention Avakian has suggested many times that people should READ Chomsky's stuff. There is no cult. The RCP promotes leadership like the Panthers did. What's wrong with that?

The "Left" is split because of many reasons, Im sure im not one of them. However I will work at removing factions like RCP in order to ensure a greater freedom for the people and to prevent the establishment of any "vanguard" that seeks power. Furthermore just because Chomsky is promoted by the RCP leadership does not mean I will fall in line. Chomsky is a great thinker and advocate of Anarchist/Socialist ideals, but I do not base my political descisions around him, unlike some members of the RCP with Avakian.

[h&s]

There is no cult.
Yeah? :lol:

Originally posted by RCP website

Our Ideology is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism

Our Vanguard is the Revolutionary Communist Party

Our Leader is Chairman Avakian

This was in massive bold writing! If they didn't have a personality cult they wouldn't bother putting that on their site like that becuase they wouldn't really be bothered who their leader was to that extent.


I personally dislike the RCP because they are Maoist, and therefore Stalinst. They believe that the state can be used by a minority of people in a beneficial way to society before socialism can be established.
This is counter-revolutionary as there is no reason in today's world why true socialism where the working class is in control of all aspects of society - hence 'dictatorship of the proletariat' - (though in other countries this would have to include the peasantry), instead of having to install leaders.
Installing leaders in the state inevitably leads to a new ruling class separate from the people developing, and the tyranny associated with it.
They will never lead to socialism.
(Though there is no reason why we should not have party leaders)