When the Revolution Comes.....

[Umoja]

I was listening to the Last Poets, song (poem?) "When the Revolution Comes" and actually thought about why a Communist/Socialist revolution in the United States would fall apart.

Compare our ideologies, and the fact that we think of every thing ideally, this would tottally crush a movement based on descive action when none of us can even agree on a good system completely. I guess this would be the reason why I promote changing the entire box from the inside rather then breaking the whole damn thing and have everyone argue over how to better make a new one.

Case in point. The Soviet Union spawned numerous ideologies, imagine how dad it'll be now.

Thoughts?

[BOZG]

We're not ready for physical revolution yet. We're still on the stage of mental and ideological revolutions. We're just waiting for the time to come.

[Socialist Pig]

As peoples counciousness grows, the government/business will try and control the revolution. Then will be the time when the people will rise up.

[Umoja]

This is exactly the problem though. Many people think things need to get worse, but then they bash reformers for wanting to prevent things from needing to get worse.

[lifetrnal]

We must work towards the point where the people are for the revolution. It is sad to say, but we will fail if we do not achieve a complete change in our own society. We, as Castro says, live in the belly of the beast. WE are the ones who must bring about this revolution of mind, or the Capitalistic Imperialism will continue forever.
Just my 2 cents.

[socialist ballistix]

do you have any theories as to how to join together so we can have the revolution? because that would be great. I want one for christmas

[Umoja]

Yeah, I want one for Christmas also. I have had numerous plans, but they'd all fragment. Which is why I think gradually moving left-wards is far more efficent. Their is no point in becoming to revolutionary because it gives power to way to many radicals who would instead fragment the revolution dependent on their political train of thought.

Many people here oppose working within the system, but I fear from seeing other Communist/Socialist revolutions that the leaders of the revolution become the opressors. The United States government, when it's missing all the bells and whistles is an effective enough Republic, and as I pointed out in a history course of mine. The system is fine Politically, but not economically. A revolution would then set us backwards, not forwards when all the major change needs to be done to the economics.

[redstar2000]

Umoja, you raise a bunch of questions and I'm not sure exactly where your difficulties lie.

Is it the fact that revolutionaries argue with each other over the best path to follow? Well, OF COURSE we do. It's in our job description. Not to do so would suggest that we don't really give a shit WHAT happens.

Is it the fact that some so-called "revolutionaries" are in fact wannabe bosses and want to ride a revolution to power for themselves? We have to STOP that from happening.

Is it that fact that revolutionaries "bash" reformers? There, I would want to know the specifics: which reformer do YOU think has been unfairly "bashed"? It IS the generally accepted Marxist consensus that genuine reform of capitalism is impossible...but we don't hold that view just because of our bad tempers: it's based on an analysis of capitalist economics and politics.

"The system is fine politically but not economically." Well, no, it isn't. It (the U.S. Constitution) was originally designed as a tool of rule by a slave-holding landed aristocracy, modified to reflect the powers of a modern capitalist class in 1865 and afterwards, and is now drifting towards fascism...the (probable) end-stage of capitalist society.

A new constitutional convention would almost certainly be one of the early priorities after the revolution...and, yes, would involve ENDLESS ARGUING.

I don't know a diplomatic way to put this: if argument bothers you, you should try something other than politics as your life's work. During the more heated moments of the 1960s, I attended 3 meetings in less than 24 hours. I once attended a plenary session that LASTED 26 continuous hours! Politics is ABOUT argument.

Communism is about the end of class society; but it is also the beginning of real history...and, in practice, I'm afraid that's going to mean one damn meeting after another and one damn argument after another. It's what FREE people DO.

Is that "inefficient"? Freedom is NOT efficient.

[antieverything]

Holy shit! How old are you?

[Umoja]

Well, what I mean is that all revolutions have failed, comparitively. Yes, the United States was made to benefit the rich, but that says more about the economy then anything else.

I personally don't think that Marxism would work right after a "revolution" especially in the United States, I am more of a person who would push for reform by having a third party that gets maybe... 10% or more of the vote. This would scare the more liberal party, and force them to lose power or make the reforms that the third party asked for, which in the end would benefit the country.... Okay I'm really not making much sense.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

if the revolution ever happens in our lifetimes... after that we all have no clue what to do, weve been trying for the past 100 yrs, and have had little success in the end, many of us say(my socialist freinds) that we will have no party, how will we do that?
a party is our only hope for unifying, but it would eventually be corrupted and destroyed,

its just my 2 cents

do we really know what we want, and how to unify?
i dont and i expect others not to as well except for a few ppl who know what we need, if any

WE NEED HELP!!!