Am I the one you hate?

[Hachi-Go]

Looking around these forums I find one word tossed around like it lacks any meaning at all, without any thought to what this does to the politicical discourse, this word is Fascism/Fascist.
How many of you know Fascism? How many of you know Fascists? I think you would be surprised if you met one. They are open minded and level headed for the most part (Every group has its nuts). I know this because I am one of them.
Let me clarify first that I read the warning "No nazi trash" and all I can say is Kudos! Naziism is a criminal Ideology and one of the principal reasons I disagree with freedom of speech. If filth like that is protected by freedom I want no part in it.
But here I see Fascism used to describe police brutality, Bush, Stalin and everything in between. Fascism is a specific form of government and neither of the above even remotely qualifies as Fascist.
Most apaullingly I see numerous threats of violence and even murder on these boards. (Save a bullet, Hang a Fascist). But I do not feel fear, as these are all bluff and bluster. I say to you all who think that way, look at me as a man, as a human being and say that. You accuse us of violence but you go and say and do worse.
To all those who do keep the discourse civil and enlightened I say thank you however! We may have our differences in method but in aims we both want whats best, and I preffer a man who works at improving his world despite his means, than one who does not.
I hope you grow to accept me on these forums as not an opponent, but a balancing, and ultimately humanizing force.

[Led Zeppelin]

Yes, I hate you and want you in a Siberian gulag, can you blame me?

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by Hachi-[email protected] 30 2005, 02:02 AM
But here I see Fascism used to describe police brutality, Bush, Stalin and everything in between. Fascism is a specific form of government and neither of the above even remotely qualifies as Fascist.
exactly. it's just part of the liberal/commie methods of brainwashing the youth.

you know, all the kids think nowadays that Bush and every other republicann is a fascist war monger

what isn't being said by the left/commies is that Democrats have put more US troops on foreign soil than anybody over the last century.

Don't take my word for it, kids, look around.

Go to all your left wing sites and then check out these:

www.michellemalkin.com
www.anncoulter.com
www.fed-soc.org
www.frontpagemag.com

give yourself all the information and not just one side.

Respect yourself enough to discover the truth for yourselves.

[Hachi-Go]

Ew. Never use Ann Coulter to defend me.

[Hachi-Go]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 30 2005, 02:05 AM
Yes, I hate you and want you in a Siberian gulag, can you blame me?
Then who is really oppressive?

[Led Zeppelin]

Then who is really oppressive?

:lol: When "you" were in power you killed over 50 million people you idiot.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by Hachi-[email protected] 30 2005, 02:11 AM
Ew. Never use Ann Coulter to defend me.
while I'm not a huge fan of Coulter, she's sharp as a tack.

Incendiary to get attention but she has the substance to back up her legitimate points.

Trust me, I used to hate her too but when I actually started reading what she had to say, I thought it was some pretty funny shit.

The point was to have these kids get different perspectives. i wasn't trying to pimp coulter or defend you. you sound like sort of a crazy lunatic.

[Hachi-Go]

Did you read my post. I revile Hitler! I think the Nazi party should follow their leader and blow there brains out. But I'm not going to force that upon them. And Please the last thing the internet needs is another who killed more debate.
I hate Hitler, I hate the Nazis, I think they should be thrown in Jail, and your still lumping me with them?

[Hachi-Go]

Originally posted by EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 30 2005, 02:15 AM
The point was to have these kids get different perspectives. i wasn't trying to pimp coulter or defend you. you sound like sort of a crazy lunatic.
whats that make coulter? ;)

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 30 2005, 02:13 AM

Then who is really oppressive?

:lol: When "you" were in power you killed over 50 million people you idiot.
how many people were killed by comrade stalin and comrade castro, counselor?

btw, you're not a lawyer, you're a liar. :lol:

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by Hachi-Go+Aug 30 2005, 02:16 AM--> (Hachi-Go @ Aug 30 2005, 02:16 AM)
EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 30 2005, 02:15 AM
The point was to have these kids get different perspectives. i wasn't trying to pimp coulter or defend you. you sound like sort of a crazy lunatic.
whats that make coulter? ;) [/b]
:lol:

an attention whore

she writes some funny ass shit tho!

;)

[Led Zeppelin]

how many people were killed by comrade stalin and comrade castro, counselor?


I don't care about Castro, about 450.000 people were killed under Stalin's rule.

[Decolonize The Left]

I have never met a fascist, at least I didn't recognize him/her. But I find that I have all the right to disagree with fascism on many levels.
1. Fascism is racist. It dismcriminates based on race, which is a difference in melanin count. Nothing more. This is unjustified and wrong.
2. Fascism is sexist. It discriminates against women, who are equal to men, just differ in physical attributes. This is unjustified and wrong.
3. Fascism promotes violence, which is weak.
4. Fascism has never, throughout history, led to the happiness of a people, only suffering for many.

With these points in mind, I see no benefit, morally as a human race, for fascism. It will never lead to a "utopian society of one race". People won't be oppressed as we have seen under fascist regimes, they always rise to their own protection. And if they can't, others will help them regain their freedom (even if it be limited under capitalism).

And so I will respect your views, although I do not agree with them. I think, personally, that you are misguided into thinking somehow, you are better than another group of people. And since this can never be proved, you are believing in the hope of something which can never be realized.
I urge you to read carfully through opposing sentiment, eliminate what is purely anger and stubborness, but take into account what is an effort to show you other ideas. Ideas which perhaps hold more ground in reality than yours.

-- August

[Hachi-Go]

The first to open a serious dialogue. Thank you for giving me a chance to speak my part.
When I say I am a fascist, like most people, you seem to assume I am a nazi. This is not true. Naziism is an offshoot of Fascist influence yes. Hitler was largely inspired by Mussolini. However race was a matter the two men disagreed on.
"Race, is 99.9 percent Mental"--Benito Mussolini. While yes eventually Il Duce fell to the Extortion of the Nazis and began to implement anti-semetic laws, we feel it is the greatest shame on our history. However Fascist Societies have existed without racism such as in Spain.
So Racism (and the same applies to sexism) is unfortunately prevelent in our history, it is not a distinct portion of our ideology as it is with the Nazis. The same applies to Sexism. A terrible mistake but was there by faults of the leaders, not of of the doctrine. Fascisms political doctrine can be found here (http://radicalacademy.com/adiphilpolitics9es.htm). Read it over if you like. It discusses race only once in the text when it defines the nation. (Where it specifically contradicts the internationalist nazi definition)
"By "all" is meant all who derive their justification as a nation, ethnically speaking, from their nature and history, and who follow the same line of spiritual formation and development as one single will and consciousness -- not as a race nor as a geographically determined region, but as a progeny that is rather the outcome of a history which perpetuates itself; a multitude unified by an idea embodied in the will to have power and to exist, conscious of itself and of its personality."
As for your opinion that hapiness has never been brought by a fascist state, I would disagree, but I'm not omnipotent.

[Led Zeppelin]

This guy is an idiot, basically he supports bourgeois dictatorships like in Franco's Spain.

Are you fantasizing about you being such a dictator? Dream on.

[STABD]

Hachi you dont seem like a bad guy or a killer. you already said you are against the Nazies. why are you a facist, i dont need a really long answear but id like to understand why you prefer it.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Marxism leninism, why did you ignore me stating the FACT that you're a liar? :lol:

come on, how about a quiz, I'll give you a series of questions, say 10, that any lawyer will be able to answer.

Are you up for the challenge? :lol:

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 02:48 AM
Hachi you dont seem like a bad guy or a killer. you already said you are against the Nazies. why are you a facist, i dont need a really long answear but id like to understand why you prefer it.
i'd be in favor of fascism for the simple fact that I wouldn't have to listen to whiny losers like you anymore. you'd be thrown in jail with your bullshit that only serves to bring down culture.

[Led Zeppelin]

Marxism leninism, why did you ignore me stating the FACT that you're a liar?

How about you getting a life?

[STABD]

Originally posted by EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 30 2005, 02:53 AM

i'd be in favor of fascism for the simple fact that I wouldn't have to listen to whiny losers like you anymore. you'd be thrown in jail with your bullshit that only serves to bring down culture.
you dont have to listen to us now, is there someone standing by you right now with a gun to your head watching as you type? Is that really why you choose fascism, so you can be superior? "They came for the jews but i id not care because i was not a jew, they came for the blacks but i did not care because i was not a black, they came for the mexicans but i did not care because i was not mexican, then they came for me and there was no one else to care." *or however that goes*

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by STABD+Aug 30 2005, 03:00 AM--> (STABD @ Aug 30 2005, 03:00 AM)
EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 30 2005, 02:53 AM

i'd be in favor of fascism for the simple fact that I wouldn't have to listen to whiny losers like you anymore. you'd be thrown in jail with your bullshit that only serves to bring down culture.
you dont have to listen to us now, is there someone standing by you right now with a gun to your head watching as you type? Is that really why you choose fascism, so you can be superior? "They came for the jews but i id not care because i was not a jew, they came for the blacks but i did not care because i was not a black, they came for the mexicans but i did not care because i was not mexican, then they came for me and there was no one else to care." *or however that goes* [/b]
I'm not a fascist. Fascism, syndicalism was a fucked up idea.

Hey, the french were enamored with it, what other endorsement do you need to know it's bullshit?

:lol:

[Hachi-Go]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 30 2005, 02:33 AM
Are you fantasizing about you being such a dictator? Dream on.
Actually no, I wouldn't even take that job if it was offered to me. Would I like to serve such a dictator and do my part to better the world? Damn Straight.

Hachi you dont seem like a bad guy or a killer. you already said you are against the Nazies. why are you a facist, i dont need a really long answear but id like to understand why you prefer it.
The principals of it seem sound to me.
1) Dictatorship. Many people tout a democracy as a safegaurd against tyranny. I don'[t see that, Mao, Hitler and Stalin all enjoyed an overwhelming popular approval. Oppresion almost always is of the Majority over the Minority. A dictatorship cuts through the corruption and innefficiencies of a democracy. Of course, all this falls to hell unless the dictator is truely in it for the people
2) Corporativism. A kinda mixture of Syndicalism and Authoritarianism. I see problems in both socialism and capitalism. Capitalism is for the individual, which I disagree with. I see ones responsibility to your fellow man above the responsibility to yourself, thats the foundation of my philosophy. I see socialism in a better light, but it tends to view things in to broad of a spectrum. Not every member of the working class is there because of oppression. Corporativism seeks to strengthen the middle class instead of the working class or the upper class and ultimately seeks class unision. It organizes the economy under central planning providing public works that will help the people.
3) Nationalism. Most people here see nationalism as a way to exploit workers. I see it very differently. I see American workers loosing there jobs so South East Asian Workers can be exploited. Tarrifs could prevent that. I see the Tyrant Regime going on wars to "fix" other countries. We should be more concerned about the problems at home. I see men like Marshal Tito and General De Gaulle, whos opposition to internationalist movements protected millions.

You blend these things together and you get more or less, Fascism. Theres also a deeply spiritual aspect of it that I could go into.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by Hachi-[email protected] 30 2005, 03:18 AM
3) Nationalism. Most people here see nationalism as a way to exploit workers. I see it very differently. I see American workers loosing there jobs so South East Asian Workers can be exploited. Tarrifs could prevent that. I see the Tyrant Regime going on wars to "fix" other countries. We should be more concerned about the problems at home. I see men like Marshal Tito and General De Gaulle, whos opposition to internationalist movements protected millions.

Nationalism is never a good thing. Just look at Ukraine and Russia. With the rise of nationalism comes the rise of racism, in their case anti-semitism. A poll recently taken in Russia found that over a third of the population believes that Jews should not hold any government office and should have severely limited freedoms. Skinhead attacks in Ukraine by nationalists are being covered up by the nationalist Yushchenko. When you have nationalism, the people tend to look for a scape goat. Facism is not a good ideology, and followers of it really should look more into it before publicly claiming they are Facist.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by STABD+Aug 29 2005, 09:00 PM--> (STABD @ Aug 29 2005, 09:00 PM) "They came for the jews but i id not care because i was not a jew, they came for the blacks but i did not care because i was not a black, they came for the mexicans but i did not care because i was not mexican, then they came for me and there was no one else to care." *or however that goes* [/b]
Pastor Martin Niemöller, His Famous Statement: (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=30668)


The actual statement
First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

[LSD]

Yes, we hate you. Get over it.

Banned.