communism. When will it work?

[EagleEyeNuñez]

It's been around in theory for how long now? 150 years?

My question is this:

WHEN WILL IT WORK??? The revolution the Bolsheviks had hoped for never happened. Why not?

Fascism was also rejected and capitalism survived. Obviously, capitalism cannot be stopped; it is the preferred economic system in the Western world. It has withstood numerous depressions, Bolshevism, fascism etc.

In no other system in the world can you go from the gutter to the penthouse. Without that opportunity of mobility, you have what is essential the old caste system of Europe; and who the hell wants that?

Capitalism spread and has survived because it offers something to people. Communism offers nothing. It offers a regressive system. How many artists do you know who live in New York, for instance, who survive by the occasional piece sold to a wealthy person? How many people raise families and work their fingers to the bone to provide for them?

A free market economy offers INCENTIVE for people to get out of bed in the morning. Under a true communist system, why even get up?

If communism is a true system and Marx was right, you can't force it. It's the reality that Marx was wrong that forces people to want revolution before it will work. The fact that you have communists calling for revolution in societies that are clearly NOWHERE near the conditions that Marx calls for is absurd. It shows that these new communists are just malcontents. They are "rebelling" for no real tangible end.

Cuba. Small island, few people, huge peasantry, small ruling elite. Ripe for an attempt at a form of communal living.

America and western Europe. Ultra-Small ultra-wealthy elite, small upper class, HUGE middle class. Not ripe in any way for any sort of communal system to succeed.

[Camarada]

communism will work when stalinists stop fucking up revolutions

[Forward Union]

It will work, when its sucessfully attempted...which should be 2053, January 7th at 4:36pm GMT. :P

[Camarada]

Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 29 2005, 03:49 PM
It will work, when its sucessfully attempted...which should be 2053, January 7th at 4:36pm GMT. :P
Oh man...I'll be in my 70s.. :lol:

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Additives [email protected] 29 2005, 03:49 PM
It will work, when its sucessfully attempted...which should be 2053, January 7th at 4:36pm GMT. :P
then i'll be in the frontlines :D

at 64 ;)

[EagleEyeNuñez]

I'll be 90 and still stating the facts about communism. :)

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 29 2005, 04:41 PM
I'll be 90 and still stating the facts about communism. :)
It is impossible to predict any precise moment, given the changes from quantity into quality and such, of which produce rapid changes in short amounts of times.

If you are wondering, the early USSR did not succeed due to isolation in a backward nation; the class forces had changed, and a bureaucratic stratum had arisen and taken over the USSR. I will have to find a place that explains this in more detail.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

The idea was born. It's been tried but not in its genuine form, right? Well, when the heck is it going to be tried? It won't be except maybe in South America. And you know what will happen there of course. Yep, a greedy ruling class will emerge and repression will ensue. Then, that will be overthrown and a dictator will take over.

It's a primitive theory with no real relevance in the modern world. Representative democracy has proven to be the most successful method of governemnt in the western world. On this, there is no debate.

For one, technology has pretty much reduced the proletariat to levels where revolution is impossible.

What, 20% of the people are going to overthrow the other 80%? It's unrealistic. A pipe dream. The dreams of youth. It looks great on paper of course but so do a lot of things.

[KC]

After capitalism develops more fully. Give it 10 or 20 years.

[Enragé]

It's been around in theory for how long now? 150 years?

The idea of people's sovereignity (the idea at the core of every single bourgeois nation) has existed since the late 1600's. The first succesful bourgeois nation ever was the US, which was around 150 yrs later as well.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:59 PM
After capitalism develops more fully. Give it 10 or 20 years.
and then where will it take hold?

Communism movements rely on one thing, a lot of poor people and the guilt of those more educated and better off.

the US does not have real poverty like in the third world so it's not going to happen, not even in 30 years.

It's an unrealistic ideology. Face it.

[Zingu]

It will come with the material and social conditions have developed as predicted by Marx. These factors include internal contradictions in Capitalism that form (i.e copyright laws and issues), technological progress that changes the division of labor and also the raising of class counsciness among the proletariat as well as the falling away of reactionary ideas.

Some of these we are already seeing; more and more of the world is becoming more atheist, shedding reactionary religous belief, copyright laws are under attack as well.

Quite frankly, its impossible for us to actually know when it comes, its a little like the weather channel, we know its coming, but we do not know in what shape, form or exactly when.

Sometimes it takes us by surprise, like May 1986 or sometimes we see it build up and putter out into nothingness. As Lenin said "Revolution is governed more or less by its own mysterious laws.".


'We" will not revolt, as proper Communists, our sole purpose is to support the proletariat, not the proletariat supporting the Communists. We are members of the working class.


Note: Marxism is not an ideology, its simply a theory that allows us to see the guidlines of how human history progresses, and the change of social counsciness among the proletariat, its a social science. We advocate nothing, but we will support the proletariat and any proletarian movement.


Quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about EagleEye, Communism can only be attained when people realize they are the sole intrument of social change and recognize the fact that free labor power is the greatest liberty any human can ever wield.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 06:57 PM
It will come with the material and social conditions have developed as predicted by Marx. These factors include internal contradictions in Capitalism that form (i.e copyright laws and issues), technological progress that changes the division of labor and also the raising of class counsciness among the proletariat as well as the falling away of reactionary ideas.

Some of these we are already seeing; more and more of the world is becoming more atheist, shedding reactionary religous belief, copyright laws are under attack as well.

Quite frankly, its impossible for us to actually know when it comes, its a little like the weather channel, we know its coming, but we do not know in what shape, form or exactly when.

Sometimes it takes us by surprise, like May 1986 or sometimes we see it build up and putter out into nothingness. As Lenin said "Revolution is governed more or less by its own mysterious laws.".


'We" will not revolt, as proper Communists, our sole purpose is to support the proletariat, not the proletariat supporting the Communists. We are members of the working class.


Note: Marxism is not an ideology, its simply a theory that allows us to see the guidlines of how human history progresses, and the change of social counsciness among the proletariat, its a social science. We advocate nothing, but we will support the proletariat and any proletarian movement.


Quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about EagleEye, Communism can only be attained when people realize they are the sole intrument of social change and recognize the fact that free labor power is the greatest liberty any human can ever wield.
Frankly, Zingu, you're a complete and utter buffoon. Communism cannot work and never will work on any large scale. It's the idea of revolution and being anti-establishment that appeals to most of the idiots here. none of them can even comprehend the economic or psychological factors involved.

Then, of course, you have the older more educated people who actually subscribe to these ideologies. These people are just completely unintellligent and ignorant of history. They have ego problems and find solace in the security of being an outsider with an identity through ridiculous ideologies instead of just a pariah. They cannot fit in with the majority so they buy into other fringe movements to find security.

I know what communism is and have stated so. It's these stupid kids here that think it's something that can be instituted at any time and work.

You're an idiot. :D

[Zingu]

Then, of course, you have the older more educated people who actually subscribe to these ideologies

Marxism is not an ideology, as I said before. Wow, you know alot. :rolleyes:



These people are just completely unintellligent and ignorant of history.

Marxism is the theory of history, again, your ignorance revels.


They cannot fit in with the majority so they buy into other fringe movements to find security.

They are aware of their own alienation and their own wage slavery, despite that the majority of the populace is unaware due to material conditions and reactionary vaules.


I know what communism is and have stated so.

So, I expect you have read the Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844 (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/preface.htm), please summarize it for me.

No, you don't, you're an idiot with hot air who thinks he can read a dictionary definition on Communism and know everything. You contradicted yourself by calling Marxism an ideology....twice.

[Fidelbrand]

EagleEyeNuñez,

"buffoon" and "idiot" earns you a warning point for ill manners.

You can disagree, but addressing people with names won't earn you extra credits in an argumentative debate. ;)

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Dipshit, ¨Marxism¨ in the parlance of our times is indeed an ideology.

I'm not some quasi-intellectual asshat studying some failed theory. Nobody is impressed with your opinion on what Marx was trying to say. Look who bought into it to begin with. Yeah, not exactly the smartest people on the planet.

How about I throw out some random essay and have you interpret it? Moron.

Fidelbrand, I am not trying to earn points. If I see a moron I will call him a moron.

now please, silver spoon comrades, please continue with your important internet message board revolution.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Forward Union]

I'm not some quasi-intellectual asshat studying some failed theory.

Yet your doing a brilliant job convincing me otherwise.


Fidelbrand, I am not trying to earn points. If I see a moron I will call him a moron.

*holds up mirror to test statement*


now please, silver spoon comrades, please continue with your important internet message board revolution.

That would be ignoring the fact that most of us are heavily involved in real life politics. I myself am an activist, a very active activist....

[Zingu]

Originally posted by EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 29 2005, 08:18 PM

How about I throw out some random essay and have you interpret it? Moron.
If you know what 'communism is about', you would know exactly what that essay is about. :rolleyes:

This 12 year old's existance proves that idiocy still exists.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

That would be ignoring the fact that most of us are heavily involved in real life politics

Define "most" and "involved"

:D

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by Zingu+Aug 29 2005, 09:15 PM--> (Zingu @ Aug 29 2005, 09:15 PM)
EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 29 2005, 08:18 PM

How about I throw out some random essay and have you interpret it? Moron.
If you know what 'communism is about', you would know exactly what that essay is about. :rolleyes:

This 12 year old's existance proves that idiocy still exists. [/b]
So, unless one is very familiar with that essay they cannot understand communism?

PFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

Nice logic! Somebody call Aristotle! Tell him he was an idiot!!! :lol:

[Zingu]

Yes, Communism is more than an economic structure you know, but I'm tired of debating a moron whose balls have not even dropped yet, who spews ignorant shit in hopes of trolling.

[EagleEyeNuñez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 10:21 PM
Yes, Communism is more than an economic structure you know, but I'm tired of debating a moron whose balls have not even dropped yet, who spews ignorant shit in hopes of trolling.
Then leave the thread, douchebag. :lol:

Communism is a crock of shit. Anybody with half a fucking brain can see that.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by EagleEyeNuñ[email protected] 29 2005, 11:49 PM
Communism is a crock of shit. Anybody with half a fucking brain can see that.
Anyone can splurt rhetoric "That's crap" "that's shit" "that brilliant" but without substantial reason; It just makes you look fucking stupid. So at least your posts have a consistent theme...

At this point, you haven't even stated what it is you actually dislike about communism, please, do tell.

[Freedom Works]

At this point, you haven't even stated what it is you actually dislike about communism, please, do tell.
I dislike the thinking that you are exploiting someone if you give them what they want.

[Fidelbrand]

EagleEyeNuñez, got your PM, but couldn't reply as you were banned by someone before I can reply. Anyway, your ban is valid with your use of language.

[MitchellStyron]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 01:47 PM
EagleEyeNuñez, got your PM, but couldn't reply as you were banned by someone before I can reply. Anyway, your ban is valid with your use of language.
You're banning Nunez for his language yet others in this very thread are using foul language and no ban for them?

Makes no sense. But nothing about communism makes any sense to somebody over the age of 16.

Keep up the good work. :rolleyes:

[LSD]

You're banning Nunez for his language yet others in this very thread are using foul language and no ban for them?

He was banned for trolling. Check the trash.

[sapho]

Capitalism kills everyday. When people understand this and realize that half of the Worlds population survive on $2 dollars or less a day, capitalism will be defeated.

[violencia.Proletariat]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 30 2005, 05:52 AM

At this point, you haven't even stated what it is you actually dislike about communism, please, do tell.
I dislike the thinking that you are exploiting someone if you give them what they want.
hmmm my mom would like a new car, good health care for a managable price, and a new computer. she works every weekday from 8-6, and still doesnt have any of those. :rolleyes:

[YoUnG192]

Capitalism kills everyday.

And what communism doesn't? Yes capitalism kills but so does every type of government. But one cannot say that capitalism kills without saying commusim kills. How many communist atrocities have occured throughout history?

-40,000,000 people dead, China: Mao Zedong's regime. (incl. famine) 1949-76
-20,000,000 people dead, USSR: Stalin's regime (incl. WW2-era atrocities)1924-53
-400,000 people dead, North Korea: Communist Regime 1948-(present)
How many more do I have to list?



Links to sources:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/005902.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cambodia

[Freedom Works]

hmmm my mom would like a new car, good health care for a managable price, and a new computer. she works every weekday from 8-6, and still doesnt have any of those.
Your mom should be fighting to downsize the "government" then, so she can have more of her own money!

[black magick hustla]

I don't know if we can reach perfect communism, but I am damn sure that we can reach a way better stage of socialism.

[MitchellStyron]

Originally posted by nate+Aug 30 2005, 07:55 PM--> (nate @ Aug 30 2005, 07:55 PM)
Freedom [email protected] 30 2005, 05:52 AM

At this point, you haven't even stated what it is you actually dislike about communism, please, do tell.
I dislike the thinking that you are exploiting someone if you give them what they want.
hmmm my mom would like a new car, good health care for a managable price, and a new computer. she works every weekday from 8-6, and still doesnt have any of those. :rolleyes: [/b]
Oh so unless you have a new car, computer and health care, the whole system is flawed?

Fukken A, i cannot believe how fukken spoiled Americans have become.

I seriously hope communism takes hold somewhere so I can laff my fukken ass off when it disinigrates into complete and utter chaos.

You fukken stupid commie morons can't even smooth talk your way into a drunk skank's pants, how the fukk are you going to run a worldwide utopia?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Shit, you people are the stupidest son of a *****es I have ever had the misfortune of coming across.

My advice to you is:

Go out a fukk some hot ***** with a fake tan, lowriders, a freshly waxed pussy and a kickass car. You'll be changing your tune real fast because under communism, the only beaver you'll be able to get is some skanked out granola freak with a fukken unruly, crab infested bush, sever body odor, meth-rotted teeth and a bads fukken attitude.

Get laid, you stupid little idiots. :D x infinty!

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by MitchellStyron+Aug 31 2005, 04:45 AM--> (MitchellStyron @ Aug 31 2005, 04:45 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 07:55 PM

Freedom [email protected] 30 2005, 05:52 AM

At this point, you haven't even stated what it is you actually dislike about communism, please, do tell.
I dislike the thinking that you are exploiting someone if you give them what they want.
hmmm my mom would like a new car, good health care for a managable price, and a new computer. she works every weekday from 8-6, and still doesnt have any of those. :rolleyes:
Oh so unless you have a new car, computer and health care, the whole system is flawed?

Fukken A, i cannot believe how fukken spoiled Americans have become.

I seriously hope communism takes hold somewhere so I can laff my fukken ass off when it disinigrates into complete and utter chaos.

You fukken stupid commie morons can't even smooth talk your way into a drunk skank's pants, how the fukk are you going to run a worldwide utopia?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Shit, you people are the stupidest son of a *****es I have ever had the misfortune of coming across.

My advice to you is:

Go out a fukk some hot ***** with a fake tan, lowriders, a freshly waxed pussy and a kickass car. You'll be changing your tune real fast because under communism, the only beaver you'll be able to get is some skanked out granola freak with a fukken unruly, crab infested bush, sever body odor, meth-rotted teeth and a bads fukken attitude.

Get laid, you stupid little idiots. :D x infinty! [/b]
fukken

[Zingu]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 31 2005, 04:14 AM

Your mom should be fighting to downsize the "government" then, so she can have more of her own money!
Or she should take matters into her own hands and seize control of the workplace.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 09:33 PM

Capitalism kills everyday.

And what communism doesn't? Yes capitalism kills but so does every type of government. But one cannot say that capitalism kills without saying commusim kills. How many communist atrocities have occured throughout history?

-40,000,000 people dead, China: Mao Zedong's regime. (incl. famine) 1949-76
-20,000,000 people dead, USSR: Stalin's regime (incl. WW2-era atrocities)1924-53
-400,000 people dead, North Korea: Communist Regime 1948-(present)
How many more do I have to list?



Links to sources:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
http://www.deanesmay.com/archives/005902.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Cambodia
You are pointing fingers at the wrong people (Stalinists). Do you know that many genuine Marxists were also killed in Stalin's purges?

From Freedom Works:


Your mom should be fighting to downsize the "government" then, so she can have more of her own money!

You know, the government you speak of acts as such so that some millionaries on the verge of going out of business stay in business. Downsizing it will not help out, as without such regulations and such, the upper strata of the Borugeoisie will end up stamping all over the palce, swallow up every other businessman, and set monopoly prices even higher than they are. Your solution is a no-win one for most people. The only way to get the proper out of money is to get greater control over the workplace.

I hate to spoil your fun, and I am sure that you would prefer that anyone would be able to at least have a small business, but as it has been explained in numerous Marxist works, the natural course of a capitalism makes that impossible.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by MitchellStyron+Aug 31 2005, 02:50 AM--> (MitchellStyron @ Aug 31 2005, 02:50 AM)
[email protected] 30 2005, 01:47 PM
EagleEyeNuñez, got your PM, but couldn't reply as you were banned by someone before I can reply. Anyway, your ban is valid with your use of language.
You're banning Nunez for his language yet others in this very thread are using foul language and no ban for them?

Makes no sense. But nothing about communism makes any sense to somebody over the age of 16.

Keep up the good work. :rolleyes: [/b]
I didn't ban him.
I only gave him 1 warning point.
Get real. ;)

[Leif]

I'm too tired to list everyone, but I would like to thank everyone keeping a cool head during this thread. To call what has been done here childish would insult children everywhere.

[hasilto]

Originally posted by Fidelbrand+Aug 31 2005, 08:30 PM--> (Fidelbrand @ Aug 31 2005, 08:30 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 02:50 AM

[email protected] 30 2005, 01:47 PM
EagleEyeNuñez, got your PM, but couldn't reply as you were banned by someone before I can reply. Anyway, your ban is valid with your use of language.
You're banning Nunez for his language yet others in this very thread are using foul language and no ban for them?

Makes no sense. But nothing about communism makes any sense to somebody over the age of 16.

Keep up the good work. :rolleyes:
I didn't ban him.
I only gave him 1 warning point.
Get real. ;) [/b]
so how many warning points have you given OWNTHINK

oh wait, he's a comrade, he's exempt

:lol:

[Freedom Works]

You know, the government you speak of acts as such so that some millionaries on the verge of going out of business stay in business.
Yes, and these businesses should die. Such is how the market functions (those who best satisfy their customers stay in business), what is your point?


Downsizing it will not help out, as without such regulations and such, the upper strata of the Borugeoisie will end up stamping all over the palce, swallow up every other businessman, and set monopoly prices even higher than they are.
With less restriction on competition comes higher prices? You have got to be kidding.
The 'upper strata of the Borugeoisie' will not be able to swallow up other businessman, because it would have to be consensual (or the "government" is stepping in) and anything consensual is ok.
Also, I think you think that wealth is limited. Just because you buy every hammer in the world does not stop anyone from making more, barring "government" intervention.


Your solution is a no-win one for most people. The only way to get the proper out of money is to get greater control over the workplace.
Because greater control (aka central planning) will LOWER prices? I think not.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 03:11 PM
so how many warning points have you given OWNTHINK

oh wait, he's a comrade, he's exempt

:lol:
I see no need to warm him because his frequency and severenous is inadequate to merit a warning point.
That's just my view, but you can always PM the Mods and Admins if you want to make a complaint.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by hasilto+Sep 1 2005, 05:43 PM--> (hasilto @ Sep 1 2005, 05:43 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 08:02 AM

[email protected] 1 2005, 03:11 PM
so how many warning points have you given OWNTHINK

oh wait, he's a comrade, he's exempt

:lol:
I see no need to warm him because his frequency and severenous is inadequate to merit a warning point.
That's just my view, but you can always PM the Mods and Admins if you want to make a complaint.
i would never propose to ban anybody for any reason other than posting huge pics to lock up threads, huge amounts of text to lock up threads, personal threats, graphic sexual photos etc

You see, I'm not little *****. If somebody differs with my opinion I'll just smack them down with truth, not some pussy move by crying to the mods. [/b]
The truth varies according to cultures, perspectives, etc. We all try to argue with our turths and it is advisable that we have an open mind to embrace possibilities.

E.g. Does capitalism mean the end of history?

And...
Filing a complaint to the mods does not equal to crying to the mods.

[Freedom Works]

Truth is not subjective.

[dave spart]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 11:41 AM
And...
Filing a complaint to the mods does not equal to crying to the mods.
if it's merely because you don't agree with somebody's opinion it is.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 2 2005, 03:17 AM
Truth is not subjective.
yes, capitalism is not the best modus vivendi we can have and we know it, but people have different perspectives towards the issue (e.g. you disagreeing with me as regards to the statement i just made about capitalism), so apparently, the truth is rendered as subjective in some sense. :)

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by dave spart+Sep 2 2005, 05:28 AM--> (dave spart @ Sep 2 2005, 05:28 AM)
[email protected] 1 2005, 11:41 AM
And...
Filing a complaint to the mods does not equal to crying to the mods.
if it's merely because you don't agree with somebody's opinion it is. [/b]
Needless to say. ;)

[Freedom Works]

yes, capitalism is not the best modus vivendi we can have and we know it, but people have different perspectives towards the issue (e.g. you disagreeing with me as regards to the statement i just made about capitalism), so apparently, the truth is rendered as subjective in some sense. :)

It would be subjective if we were both right, but you aren't and I am. :D

[black magick hustla]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 4 2005, 05:07 PM


It would be subjective if we were both right, but you aren't and I am. :D
Ahahahaha, you are an anarcho capitalist right?

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

[Freedom Works]

Ahahahaha, you are an anarcho capitalist right?

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

Yes, and I agree, I am right. :P

[Marxist]

2054 , i will be 49. And Stalinism is a bullshit. As a communist i think that Stalin had NOTHING to do wiht socialist ideals. He just wanted power. Right , communism will work when stalinist´s stop fucking up revolutions. :hammer:

[Freedom Works]

2054 , i will be 49.
Wow, that makes no sense.

[OleMarxco]

Let's not get too caught up in number's. The longer we sit around on our ass and talkin' about year's - and "how long will we wait?" - yes, then we'll WAIT, indeed. But for cappie's to give us this smirkin' attitude -- I disapprove of it.. Tryin' to ridicule our "sacred" revolution - Oh well, it's their attempt to retard it, but they can't stop it, as the quote say's. Try as they might! Ideologies don't die ;)

[small101]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:41 PM
communism will work when stalinists stop fucking up revolutions
i could not have said it better

[Freedom Works]

i could not have said it better
Stop trying to blame the fallacies of your pseudotheories on other people; communism doesn't work on the large scale because the theories are flawed.

[KC]

Stop trying to blame the fallacies of your pseudotheories on other people; communism doesn't work on the large scale because the theories are flawed.

Proof?

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 04:10 PM


Stop trying to blame the fallacies of your pseudotheories on other people; communism doesn't work on the large scale because the theories are flawed.

Proof?
They don't have any proof. I used to debate with them all the time when I was younger, and they never had any proof. They just kept dogmatically hurling the same crap at me over and over again, no matter how badly I ended up refuting them.

[comrade_tyler]

your right capitalism is more popular in the western world. not many people understand communism. all most people know about communism is that it was bad or had bad leaders. thats basically all i learned in school. they never really teach you about communism because theyre afraid theyll like it better. i believe only in a bloody revolution can we make communism supreme. talking aint doing anything when theyre teaching us the bad parts of communism.

[workersunity]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 10 2005, 08:54 AM

i could not have said it better
Stop trying to blame the fallacies of your pseudotheories on other people; communism doesn't work on the large scale because the theories are flawed.
Explain to me, with credible objective sources why it is flawed? can't can ya, Ill be waiting when you do, and when you talk about collectivism i hope your not talking bout its relation to communism

as collectivism is
The principles or system of ownership and control of the means of production and distribution by the people collectively, usually under the supervision of a government.


Communism is pretty close but not collectivism Communism the that the means of production are owned by the PEOPLE themselves, and since they are the government there is no supervision unless you are talking about they are supervising themselves. the definition of collectivism has wierd wording which makes it a hard thing to cut apart.

get your facts straight.

[workersunity]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 04:39 PM
talking aint doing anything when theyre teaching us the bad parts of communism.
There are no "bad" parts of communism, what they said was bad, was in reference to what was in USSR And china correct? They called that communism then said the bad parts of those societies. Of course those societies were bad, many factors, one is the authoritarianism and the situation of the people before the revolutions

[Freedom Works]

workersunity: Ever heard of the burden of proof fallacy? It's on you to prove that it DOES work.

With credible objective sources, can you explain why it is better than freedom?

[KC]

With credible objective sources, can you explain why it is better than freedom?

It is freedom you fucking idiot

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 15 2005, 05:58 AM
workersunity: Ever heard of the burden of proof fallacy? It's on you to prove that it DOES work.

With credible objective sources, can you explain why it is better than freedom?
LOL! The Subjectvist Randite all of a sudden wants objective things, i.e. things that refute the subjectivist philosophy of Rand!

[rachstev]

communism. When will it work?

like, never.


OK, to be serous:

It will work in relation to the lesser number of people there are in the community.

About 60 people, it can work. Maybe 300 or so. But three thousand. Less so. 250 million? In your dreams.

rachstev

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 09:45 AM
It will work in relation to the lesser number of people there are in the community.

About 60 people, it can work. Maybe 300 or so. But three thousand. Less so. 250 million? In your dreams.
When you don't post any reasoning behind your assertions, you don't make yourself look very credible.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 03:45 PM
communism. When will it work?

like, never.


OK, to be serous:

It will work in relation to the lesser number of people there are in the community.

About 60 people, it can work. Maybe 300 or so. But three thousand. Less so. 250 million? In your dreams.

rachstev
You've made your argument sound quite powerful by attributing the incompatibility of communism to a number pattern. With a simple subconscious logic of 'the bigger the number the less likely hood of communism' you make quite an impression with your final "250 million?" yet as 313C7 iVi4RX said, you don't actually post any reasoning behind your assertions