If any of you pray

[Seeker]

New Orleans is a city near the coast that is built below sea-level. Imagine a volcano in the middle of the ocean, with a deep crater in the middle.

It has a fabulously wealthy business district full of highrise corporate headquarters and designer clothing and jewelry stores, surrounded by a poverty stricken urban sprawl.

A Category 5 hurricane is coming right for it.

It is expected that it will be under a saltwater lake by tomorrow night. It is almost a certainty that the entire city will be destroyed.

Mandatory evacuations are being conducted by the police and National Guard, but very many poor people have nowhere to go and no way to get out of the city. Busloads of people have been arriving at the football stadium since early in the morning, and they are still arriving full now that it is getting into the evening hours. Tropical storm force winds are picking up, and there are massive lines outside the stadium of people waiting to get in.

Will there be room for everyone?

Will the stadium make it, or will it get washed away with all those people inside it?

Some people might not even try to get to the stadium :(

I've survived 6 hurricanes and ignored the evacuation orders on all of them, sitting inside a boarded up house/apartment completely nonchalant.

This one scares me. It looks like I'm only going to catch the outer edge of it, otherwise I'd be driving right now.

But I know I'll be worried about the people in N.O. until this is over :mellow:

[Organic Revolution]

i wonder i wonder... somthing horrible can happen or something good can happen. were are you at by the way? were you have been through 6

[Ownthink]

Everyone there, not just the poor, needs "someones prayers" as you put it. Not that would do anything, though.

[Seeker]

I've lived in Florida most of my life.

Ownthink, save it for a different thread please.

I don't want anyone to get hurt, but I am most concerned about the people who have no way of escaping. The people with beach houses that work in the skyscrapers as somthing other than a janitor or secretary have cars. A lot of people living in the projects don't.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050828/ap_on_...rricane_katrina (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050828/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)

It is estimated that 100,000 people will not be able to make it out of the city, and that the stadium can hold 77,000 of them. There are 9 other shelters that I can't find info about.


I wonder what the reaction will be if the skyscrapers are not opened but make it, and tens of thousands of people die in the flood.

[RedAnarchist]

A whole city, destroyed just like that? :blink:

I'm in Britain, where we almost never get extreme weather, so i have never really experienced such awful occurances. I really hope that the casualty numbers are as low as possible, and that the people of the affected city and it's area can return to normality as soon as possible afterwards.

[Seeker]

It's built between the half-mile-wide Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, half the size of the state of Rhode Island.

Estimates have been made of tens of thousands of deaths from flooding that could overrun the levees and turn New Orleans into a 30-foot-deep toxic lake filled with chemicals and petroleum from refineries, and waste from ruined septic systems.

From the link I edited into my previous post.

[violencia.Proletariat]

this is a suprise to me, i havent heard it was so serious.

[Moonfire]

Its the second strongest hurricane in the past century and some odd years i believe. Category five with 175 mph sustained winds. They say that no wooden structure will survive the winds, your only hope is to take shelter in concrete buildings.

[guerillablack]

They will definately be in my prayers. As a comrade said earlier, i did not know the hurricane was that serious. But now that i am reading more about it, they will def be in my prayers and if damage is serious, i will make sure to set upa food drive at my school.

peace

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Yes, yes.. prayers will do them good..

They must not have been praying enough, that's probably why god has thrown this their way.

[Seeker]

Show some respect boy.

Making snide remarks about people who are about to be drowned doesn't impress anyone.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 12:14 AM
Show some respect boy.

Making snide remarks about people who are about to be drowned doesn't impress anyone.
He's only trying to show you that getting on your knees and reciting words in your head doesn't do shit. Actually do something for them, like GuerrillaBlack said about a food drive or something. Having the potential to do something, and not taking action (IE: Praying when you could be helping with food and/or other items) is a direct slap in the face to these people. Wanna save or help some? Get off your damned knees and send food or medical supplies.

Don't "save it for another thread" me. We are just trying to dispell this "prayer" bullshit.

[Seeker]

You have no idea what it is your are criticizing in this instance. It can work with, or without a God, has no need of Church doctrine, prescribed rituals, pomp, ceremony, and it does not take the place of direct action.

It actually helps to inspire direct action. Pray for a thing (or "meditate" on it, or "think" about it - it is the mental activity that counts) and you are likely to think of a way to make it happen yourself.

The chemical processes of the brain create an EM field. All EM fields in existence can effect all other EM fields in existence. As with gravity, the effect weakens with distance (never reaching 0), but it leaves open the possibility for butterfly effects.

The only "Intelligent Design" that is needed to make it all work is the intelligence built into the set of physical laws that govern how reality does its whole "being" act.

The only part where faith is required is in the effects of the EM waves your brain sends out. Until proven otherwise, it could be totally random. I don't think it is. I think those waves are vibrating at "intelligent frequencies" that are like computer programs that ask the Operating System of natural laws how to make happen whatever it is you pray for (if it violates natural law, no amount of prayer will make it happen).

One of the properties or patterns of an intelligent frequency is pre-thought. Like DNA, a molecule which causes events at the molecular level that lead to the creation of a body without thinking about how to do it, the electromagnetic frequency will cause events at the quantum level that lead to some semblance of what it is you pray for.

Another example of pre-thought is a martial artist who no longer needs to consider how to move in order to perform a move correctly. Without conscious thought, his body will move in a way that causes events on the human level to lead to victory in combat. Through his training, he has defined his own "natural laws" for how his body moves. If someone throws a kick at him (a human level event), his mere presence is enough to stop the kick if stopping the kick will lead to victory.

If a wavefunction would collapse one way 'X' (a quantum level event), a wave at an intelligent frequency will provide the sort of interference needed to make it collapse a different way 'Y' if collapsing the different way 'Y' triggered a butterfly effect that would lead to your prayer being answered in some form or another. There might not always be the opportunity to create such an effect, so we can't expect to get the kind of results we likely had in mind.


For example, a prayer to stop the storm is not likely to do so. But maybe a pebble in a levy that would have otherwise shifted in such a way that the levy would collapse, would not shift that way. Subtle magnetic forces that would have been slightly different were not for the chemical reactions in your brain could give it just enough energy to overshoot the mark.






I'm not some mindless Bible thumper, so don't "speak" to me as if I were.

Ownthink, I asked you to save it because I thought the topic deserved its own thread.



As for direct action, we'll have to see what the situation calls for. In all the hurricanes I've been through, the Federal Emergency Management Association showed up within a day or three with truckloads of water and military rations, and electricians from as far away as Canada drive in to help restore the grid.

But this time it is different. One million people live in the city, and all of them may be homeless in a few more hours.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Don't flame.

[guerillablack]

As i said before, the power of prayer has yet to be disproven. So therefore there is no harm in doing them.

The thread is for the comrades who pray and if so, pray for those victims. If you don't pray or don't believe in it, find we already know that, you think its opiate of masses ya ya ya. Take it in another thread which is set for debate. This isn't a debate thread.

[Donnie]

New Orleans is a city near the coast that is built below sea-level.
This is going to sound harsh but what kind of idiot puts a city near a coast then decides to place it below sea level?

Anyway there’s no point praying as there is no god. The bible clearly states that this god is all knowing and all powerful yet this god decides not to stop a hurricane, this clearly shows that there is no such thing as god.

My sympathies are with the poor of New Orleans, maybe once the hurricane has destroyed the city we could do some solidarity work for the poor of New Orleans.

[guerillablack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 12:52 PM

New Orleans is a city near the coast that is built below sea-level.
This is going to sound harsh but what kind of idiot puts a city near a coast then decides to place it below sea level?

Anyway there’s no point praying as there is no god. The bible clearly states that this god is all knowing and all powerful yet this god decides not to stop a hurricane, this clearly shows that there is no such thing as god.

My sympathies are with the poor of New Orleans, maybe once the hurricane has destroyed the city we could do some solidarity work for the poor of New Orleans.
That was quite possibly the dumbest argument i have ever heard?God did not stop hurricanes so he doesn't exist? What next, god doesn't exist because he doesn't stop snowstorms? And this is what the commie club lets in?

Read the history of New Orleans and maybe you won't have to ask that question.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 03:33 PM
Don't flame.
He didn't. He was just trying to explain himself.

And typing "don't flame" won't get him in trouble, because the mods and admins are not stupid. :ph34r: ;)

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 07:58 PM
Read the history of New Orleans and maybe you won't have to ask that question.
Are you seriously suggesting that an entire city has to pay, because of acts of individual citizens of New Orleans of the past??

His argument makes a lot of sense. The mythical figure "god" is all powerfull and all knowing, thus he was the one who sent a hurricane towards New Orleans. So this "god" figure is either incredibly cruel or it simply doesn't exist. Make your choice.

I would go with the "you don't know what you are talking about, you will burn in hell" option.

[Seeker]

It was not as bad as it could have been. The storm weakened to a Cat. 4 and jumped a bit to the east before the eye made landfall.

The levies held, and the flooding did not make it as far as the stadium (although parts of the roof got ripped off, drenching the already miserable people inside).

The northern half of the city (near the lake) looks like it is under about 6' of water, which is a better situation than parts of Mississippi face (they took the direct hit after the last-minute change in direction).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I'm sorry, but I could not let such abuse of science pass without challenge.


The chemical processes of the brain create an EM field. All EM fields in existence can effect all other EM fields in existence. As with gravity, the effect weakens with distance (never reaching 0), but it leaves open the possibility for butterfly effects.

I fucking hate it when people abuse science for the satisfaction of their own pseudoscience.

The EM field generated by your brain is very weak, and there's no evidence to suggest that prayer effects it in any different way to other thoughts. the 'butterfly effect' is not some sort of magical incantation that can create miracles - even if the EM Fields generated by prayer could do anything positive (For which there is no evidence) the cumulative effect of everyone praying would be washed out by the immensely powerful (In comparison) EM fields generated by electrical appliances, power lines, mobile appliances, artificial electromagnets, motor vehicles, airplanes and thunderstorms.

A million ants will not stop a steam roller.



The only "Intelligent Design" that is needed to make it all work is the intelligence built into the set of physical laws that govern how reality does its whole "being" act.

New Age Garbage.


The only part where faith is required is in the effects of the EM waves your brain sends out. Until proven otherwise, it could be totally random.

And thus means that praying has an equal chance of causing harm. If it indeed effects anything at all.


I don't think it is. I think those waves are vibrating at "intelligent frequencies" that are like computer programs that ask the Operating System of natural laws how to make happen whatever it is you pray for (if it violates natural law, no amount of prayer will make it happen).

More pseudoscientific rubbish.


One of the properties or patterns of an intelligent frequency is pre-thought. Like DNA, a molecule which causes events at the molecular level that lead to the creation of a body without thinking about how to do it, the electromagnetic frequency will cause events at the quantum level that lead to some semblance of what it is you pray for.

Rubbish. Electromagnetism is an atomic level effect, at the quantum level it does nothing.


Another example of pre-thought is a martial artist who no longer needs to consider how to move in order to perform a move correctly. Without conscious thought, his body will move in a way that causes events on the human level to lead to victory in combat. Through his training, he has defined his own "natural laws" for how his body moves. If someone throws a kick at him (a human level event), his mere presence is enough to stop the kick if stopping the kick will lead to victory.

Yeah, it's called 'reflex action' and is bought on by constant training.
You are comparing apples to garbage trucks.


If a wavefunction would collapse one way 'X' (a quantum level event), a wave at an intelligent frequency will provide the sort of interference needed to make it collapse a different way 'Y' if collapsing the different way 'Y' triggered a butterfly effect that would lead to your prayer being answered in some form or another. There might not always be the opportunity to create such an effect, so we can't expect to get the kind of results we likely had in mind.

Garbled nonsense. You need to prove a lot before you jump to so many conlusions.


For example, a prayer to stop the storm is not likely to do so. But maybe a pebble in a levy that would have otherwise shifted in such a way that the levy would collapse, would not shift that way. Subtle magnetic forces that would have been slightly different were not for the chemical reactions in your brain could give it just enough energy to overshoot the mark.

Again, you forget that cumulative effects will render prayer useless, even if it worked in the first place.


I'm not some mindless Bible thumper, so don't "speak" to me as if I were.

No, but you are a pseudoscientific hack.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

As i said before, the power of prayer has yet to be disproven. So therefore there is no harm in doing them.

And yet there is no evidence that prayer has any effect at all, so it's a futile excercise.

[Donnie]

That was quite possibly the dumbest argument i have ever heard?God did not stop hurricanes so he doesn't exist? What next, god doesn't exist because he doesn't stop snowstorms? And this is what the commie club lets in?
It was a simple argument to prove the non-existence of god but I would gladly go into depth to prove to you god does not exist.

Here's another reason why god doesn't exist:
In the bible as I said before god is portrayed as all knowing and all powerful well then if he was all knowing he’d have known the angel that would betray him, you know the angel that gets cast out of the so called 'kingdom of heaven' and becomes the devil. Well then if this god was all knowing he’d have predicted the angel’s betrayal and done something about it wouldn't he.

Secondly if he is all knowing then he should know when the anti-christ rises and could save humanity for the so called future 'Armageddon'.

Thirdly the god idea was created by early man because early man didn’t know the functions of the environment so he created an external force acting on the environment.

Oh and last but not least it has to be the simplest answer ever to prove that god doesn't exist.
A woman is impregnated without sexual intercourse the baby is born turns into a man called jesus, this man called jesus pulls a few magic tricks on earth then gets killed then rises again and descends into heaven. Come on now pull the other one.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Show some respect boy. = Flame.

I'm no one's boy.

[Seeker]

That I can respect. You are correct on every point.

It is psyudoscience. A mere hypothesis, and one not backed by a mainstream theory at that.

However, because our brains need to be so finely tuned in the way they react to the environment, and the environment must have such precise levels of force (strong and weak nuclear, gravity, electromagnetic) to enable the evolution of a brain from Big Bang to properly coded DNA, I'm willing to believe it might be possible.

If this, or something similar is not true, there is no free will. The chemical reactions that build your body and breath fire in your mind are all products of past reactions, rendering the cascade of events infinitely predictable.

The act of being conscious must involve interaction with random-within-limit events if we are correct in thinking that we are anything more than cogs in a universal machine. We must have some degree of control over those events, or it is not really "free will" that we have, but an awareness of chaos that we attribute to ourselves because we cannot fathom our "thoughts" coming from a source outside ourselves (in this case the totally random event).





Here's another reason why god doesn't exist:
In the bible

Who said anything about that or any other Book? It is easy to disprove any of the religion's version of god. I just speculate about how things might be based on what (little) we know about how the world works. In Christian terms, I am an atheist.

[Decolonize The Left]

I'm still unsure as to whether humans have free will or not. Let me explain why.

In order to claim that humans have free will, you must be able to claim the following:

If there was a camera in the corner of a large room. And you walked into the room and sat down, turned on the TV, went and got a beer, and came back and sat down. You must be able to claim, that if you re-wound that video tape, that scene could have been completely different. You could have not turned on the TV, but picked up a book, etc... And you must be able to claim that it could be different every time you re-wind and replay the tape.

To claim that humans have free will is to acnowledge (hopefully) that circumstances play a large role in determining actions, but in the end, it is always your decision. There is never a time when you didn't have a choice.

Refute free will and religion crumbles before your feet.

Thoughts?

-- August

[guerillablack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 05:22 PM

That was quite possibly the dumbest argument i have ever heard?God did not stop hurricanes so he doesn't exist? What next, god doesn't exist because he doesn't stop snowstorms? And this is what the commie club lets in?
It was a simple argument to prove the non-existence of god but I would gladly go into depth to prove to you god does not exist.

Here's another reason why god doesn't exist:
In the bible as I said before god is portrayed as all knowing and all powerful well then if he was all knowing he’d have known the angel that would betray him, you know the angel that gets cast out of the so called 'kingdom of heaven' and becomes the devil. Well then if this god was all knowing he’d have predicted the angel’s betrayal and done something about it wouldn't he.

Secondly if he is all knowing then he should know when the anti-christ rises and could save humanity for the so called future 'Armageddon'.

Thirdly the god idea was created by early man because early man didn’t know the functions of the environment so he created an external force acting on the environment.

Oh and last but not least it has to be the simplest answer ever to prove that god doesn't exist.
A woman is impregnated without sexual intercourse the baby is born turns into a man called jesus, this man called jesus pulls a few magic tricks on earth then gets killed then rises again and descends into heaven. Come on now pull the other one.
Firstly i'm not Christian so i have never read or garnered my beliefs from the bible. Second, Yes God did know that Ibis, Satan or whatever you wanna call him would do such things. Your theory or proof is not breakthrough, but has been refuted say uhm hundreds of years ago? :lol: Try picking up a book or something that isn't all "religion is all opiate of masses" . :rolleyes:

[Seeker]

If there was a camera in the corner of a large room. And you walked into the room and sat down, turned on the TV, went and got a beer, and came back and sat down. You must be able to claim, that if you re-wound that video tape, that scene could have been completely different. You could have not turned on the TV, but picked up a book, etc... And you must be able to claim that it could be different every time you re-wind and replay the tape.


Not so. Once a thing has been decided, that is it. Once the camera recorded the event, the recording of it was set for all time (excepting decay).

You would have to accept that if you were somehow in the exact same situation again (an impossibility), you could act differently.

What happened in the past is set, but not what will happen next.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

However, because our brains need to be so finely tuned in the way they react to the environment, and the environment must have such precise levels of force (strong and weak nuclear, gravity, electromagnetic) to enable the evolution of a brain from Big Bang to properly coded DNA, I'm willing to believe it might be possible.

So you're saying a puddle should be amazed at how well the depression in the ground fits it?


If this, or something similar is not true, there is no free will. The chemical reactions that build your body and breath fire in your mind are all products of past reactions, rendering the cascade of events infinitely predictable.

Not true. Chaos theory says that while you can make generalisations of the future by analysing past events (Weather prediction for example) the cumulative effects of thousands, millions and billions of little events all mixing and interacting ensure that no 100% accurate predictions can be made. This means that no weatherman worth his salt is ever certain about tomorrow's weather.

You seem to be under the impression that one tiny little interference here will make a huge difference. Not true, there are countless little interferences, and they all have a big impact, cancelling each other out unless they are the product of a prevailing condition. (Such as warm and cold fronts in the instance of weather)


The act of being conscious must involve interaction with random-within-limit events if we are correct in thinking that we are anything more than cogs in a universal machine. We must have some degree of control over those events, or it is not really "free will" that we have, but an awareness of chaos that we attribute to ourselves because we cannot fathom our "thoughts" coming from a source outside ourselves (in this case the totally random event).

Who says we aren't more than cogs in a machine? Only those extremely conceited people who sincerely believe that mankind amounts to more than a microscopic puddle of warm spit in this vast universe of ours.
Free will is an illusion, but a very convincing one at that.

As an aside, if god really exists, then there are 3 possibilities:

1: He doesn't know or care about us, as he never answers our prayers our helps us when we are in need.

2: He is the ultimate sadist, as he created an unfriendly universe of agony and suffering

3: He doesn't consider consider us in any plans he has for this universe, as it's far from amenable to the human condition and any hmuan friendly features arose by chance.

[Seeker]

So you're saying a puddle should be amazed at how well the depression in the ground fits it?

Because the fit is perfect, anything that happens to the puddle, any vibration will be transfered to the ground it sits on.

If there is a different puddle nearby, it will begin to vibrate in sync.

[praxis1966]

Seeker, two things:

1) Waking Life was just a movie.
2) I know a good therapist. I could have you referred.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 12:47 AM

So you're saying a puddle should be amazed at how well the depression in the ground fits it?

Because the fit is perfect, anything that happens to the puddle, any vibration will be transfered to the ground it sits on.

If there is a different puddle nearby, it will begin to vibrate in sync.
Now you are just talking rubbish.

[Seeker]

It was your analogy ;)
I don't walk around with "healing crystals" or candles or any crazy shit like that. But I did watch Jurassic Park (nice vibrating puddles in that one. Jello too.).


I've never even heard of Waking Life.

[RedAnarchist]

Looks like New Orleans didnt get the worst, which is great. :)

[Donnie]

Firstly i'm not Christian so i have never read or garnered my beliefs from the bible. Second, Yes God did know that Ibis, Satan or whatever you wanna call him would do such things. Your theory or proof is not breakthrough, but has been refuted say uhm hundreds of years ago? laugh.gif Try picking up a book or something that isn't all "religion is all opiate of masses"

I never said you were a Christian I was using the Christian god as one way of disproving god.
But it's certainly logical to believe that there is no such thing as god and if there was a god it would be necessary to abolish him as god is portrayed in everyway as 'god is everything and man and women is nothing.'

Even the whole idea of a heaven is a twisted reflection of what humanity can be if it wants to achieve itself.

There are many other ways to disprove the existence of a god.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 08:24 PM
There are many other ways to disprove the existence of a god.
Our limited intellect and capacity to disprove the existence of God, means God doesn't exist?

It's so easy to disprove the existence of God when God doesn't subdue to our prayers/wishes.... to our world views no matter how benevolent it is.... but does these mean God doesn't exist?

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

So is this hurricane all over now or what?

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by The wise old [email protected] 30 2005, 10:48 PM
So is this hurricane all over now or what?
it reduced to a tropical typhoon of some sort and is still haunting the place at present.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't walk around with "healing crystals" or candles or any crazy shit like that. But I did watch Jurassic Park (nice vibrating puddles in that one. Jello too.).

Jurassic Park was a load of anti-science crap. It's message was that Man shouldn't mess with the natural order of things.

[Seeker]

The message is irrelevant. When that T-Rex was a-commin', the puddles got to a-vibrating.


The hurricane is now just a big thunderstorm in the northeast US.

New Orleans wasn't plunged underwater all at once, but since the storm passed 2 of the levies have broken and the water levels are rising.

The bowl is filling up, and there are still possibly thousands of people stuck inside their attic, running out of air. I saw video earlier of helicopter crews and people in rowboats going around with axes and chopping holes in people roofs so they could escape. In one case, the water was so close to the top of the roof, the elderly man inside had to sink under and hold his breath while the guy on top swung the axe. Thousands of people have already been found that decided to stay at home, but some of the best rescue work gets done at night with the help of nightvision goggles (I guess they can see the heat from people's bodies under the roofs, and if they are on top of the roof they would positively glow, making them easy to find).

Huge casino boats were picked up and tossed into residential neighborhoods and highways in Mississippi, an oil rig got free from its moorings and is now stuck under the bridge leading into Mobile, Alabama from Florida, and the water is up to around 12' in New Orleans.

That city is being entirely evacuated (80% of it is now underwater). When the guys with chainsaws have the roads clear, the folks in the stadium and everywhere else are going to be moved out. It will be a ghost town.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

I saw some of the footage on television. It looks serious. They said there wasn't even going to be power for, at the least, a few months. Will people even move back in? I've wanted to visit New Orleans too. :-(

[praxis1966]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2005, 05:11 AM
It was your analogy ;)
I don't walk around with "healing crystals" or candles or any crazy shit like that. But I did watch Jurassic Park (nice vibrating puddles in that one. Jello too.).


I've never even heard of Waking Life.
That's funny, because your 'cog in a machine' analogy when discussing free will sounds like a direct plajurization of a scene in that movie. And I mentioned the therapist because anyone who believes that prayer creates an EM field that affects anything but the person doing the praying has to be a little loose in their shoes.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The message is irrelevant. When that T-Rex was a-commin', the puddles got to a-vibrating.

You are obviously stupid, as you seem to have missed the point of my analogy.

I was trying to point out the ridiculousness of your assertion that the universe must be 'intelligent' in some way because it was perfectly balanced for intelligence to evolve. That's not true, if the universe wasn't onducive to intelligent life, we wouldn't be having this conversation, much in the same way that a puddle wouldn't exist on a cambered surface.

I note that you haven't actually tried to defend the rubbish you were spouting earlier. Do I take this as a retraction, or are you simply ignoring me?

[Seeker]

You seem to have missed the point of mine.

Information is not lost. It might be blown away on the solar wind, but then the wind itself will carry the data (like the ground in your analogy).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 10:06 AM
You seem to have missed the point of mine.

Information is not lost. It might be blown away on the solar wind, but then the wind itself will carry the data (like the ground in your analogy).
What sort of information can the solar wind carry? and since the solar wind moves outward from the sun, how is it useful?

You are butchering scientific terms, the trademark sign of a pseudoscientist.

[Axel1917]

If you are going to pray, fine, go ahead and do it, but at the same time, you are going to need to put forth a food drive as well. Regardless of your religious beliefs, you know that material aid is going to be necessary (what is it that you say? "God only helps those that help themselves.").

[Phalanx]

Some places are now at least 20' under water. All attempts to fill the levees have failed, and now storeowners are threatening to kill people that are just trying to get food and water to survive. It will probably take months before anyone is allowed in the city again, and years before it is fully recovered.

[which doctor]

My brother was just about to start his junior year of college there when well the hurricane hit. He went to texas with some friends and is now on his way north to home. I heard they might cancel the entire semester.

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 01:32 PM
If you don't pray or don't believe in it, find we already know that, you think its opiate of masses ya ya ya.
You don't seem like you're much of a leftist. Why are you here?