The hypocracy of Bush and Blair

[RedStarMilitia]

Doesn't it seem ironic that Bush and Blair state themselves to be Christian's yet they kill so freely?

I mean; many marxists are athiests but it makes me angry that Bush states he is a "born again Christian" yet he favours the death penalty and war. he must have forgotten the ten commandments and "thou shalt not kill"
This is bad because even though non-religious folk may follow him many Christian's who would have opposed him see him as an example and must believe he is doing the right thing for God.
It is the same situation as the Crusades where us (the british) tried to enforece christianity onto others.
it seems so aragant and anoys me because it creates racism and lack of respect for other peoples faiths - breaking another one of the ten commandments - love thy neighbour..... not kill them

Just had to say it - feel free to give your thoughts and feelings

[Che NJ]

I mean; many marxists are athiests but it makes me angry that Bush states he is a "born again Christian" yet he favours the death penalty and war. he must have forgotten the ten commandments and "thou shalt not kill"
In fact, all born again christians are for the death penalty and don't perceive their killing somebody as immoral. They think that criminals deserve to be killed because that's what god wants. They think that god will be the only legitimate judge of souls and will decide to do justice after souls are sent to him. This entire philosophy of course is dependant on the existance of god. If he's not out there, then they just killed somebody with no justification.

Born again christians are hell bent on converting everybody to their religion, even other christians. But we can't project their ideas as a stereotype for all christian sects. Born-agains are like the islamic extremists of christanity. It kind of makes me laugh how the new name for the war on terror is the war against extremists. If they are really going to fight for what they say, burn all the extremists in their own countries, starting with bush.

[RedStarMilitia]

Yeah Burn bush and then burn Blair.
I see- well born again christianity is bullshit - it is something they have invented from man atleast with original christianity they follow a 2000 year old bible which is meant to be the message of God - no way has god told these people to do this it is an idea establised by man which goes against all christian principles. some day bush will be killed i hope painfully

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh, normal christians can be socialists but i cannot imagine a born again christian doing this.

They believe the bible litreally, i dont think even the people that wrote it believe it litreally.

[slim]

Haha! Get this. The term for those who take the Bible literally are called fundamentalist Christians and people also accuse Islamic peoples of the same term (fundamentalist) of choosing the parts of the Koran they wish whilst ignoring other parts (same with Bush and thou shalt not kill).

People are so blind not to notice who the real "terrorists" are.

[Lord Testicles]

They allow the killing of convicts but mercy killing is out of the question <_<

[southernmissfan]

Nearly every Western leader since Constantine has been Christian, it&#39;s common practice for these guys.

[LamarLatrell]

So what if a leaders are Christians?
I have had as many communists coming to my house pimping things as Christians.
If somebody wants to be a Christian, as long as they aren&#39;t jamming it down my throat I don&#39;t care, it&#39;s really none of my business.

Truth is, the basic tenets of Christianity are good.

[RedStarMilitia]

remember, they are abusing the term "christian" - religion is a factor that unites people christians will feel united when really they are supporting terrorism

[praxis1966]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 05:45 AM
They believe the bible litreally, i dont think even the people that wrote it believe it litreally.
It&#39;s only actually selective literalism. Ask them if they believe that men who cut the hair on their face and head, especially around the temples, should be subject to public stoning and they&#39;ll say no. If you then remind them that Leviticus actually instructs that they do this, they&#39;ll respond with the usual "Well that&#39;s the Old Testament, and to be a Christian all you really need to do is follow the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament."

After that, ask them "Well, why bother including it," and they&#39;ll probably respond with the customary "It&#39;s really just there for the purpose of historical reference." Then ask them if they believe that homosexuality is an abomination of God. When they say yes, politely remind them that the only place in the Bible where homosexuality is actually mentioned is the Old Testament, and if the Old Testament is only there for historical reference, then all of it&#39;s guidelines should be meaningless (of course, the same could be said for the basis for creationism, intelligent design, the 10 Commandments, and a whole host of other tenets fundemental to the Christian faith).

They usually just cock their heads to one side and blink at you, sort of the same way a dog does when you talk to it. You know they hear you, but just don&#39;t have the capacity to comprehend what you&#39;re saying to them. At any rate, it just goes to show you that Christians, especially fundamentalists, are hypocrits, liars, and totally irrational. That&#39;s why they shouldn&#39;t be allowed to lead nations, especially the lumbering superpower that is the U&#036;.

[Purple]

Every religion has a peaceful core, but many use a religion to cover up how weak their actual intensions are&#33;

[Commandante_Ant]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 07:59 PM
So what if a leaders are Christians?
I have had as many communists coming to my house pimping things as Christians.
If somebody wants to be a Christian, as long as they aren&#39;t jamming it down my throat I don&#39;t care, it&#39;s really none of my business.

Truth is, the basic tenets of Christianity are good.
That is true....but doesnt God come across as having a pretty big ego? People must follow him, and him only. Or so help them, they shall be smote&#33; :P

I was born a Christian but have slowly been pulling away from the faith. I no longer attend church.

And has nobody realised that God himself is a murderer? When he sent down the angel of death to take all the first borns? So in effect, all Christians are following a murderer, whose death they would be calling for if he was alive&#33; Oh god the irony&#33; :lol: :lol:

[kingbee]

we (socialists) all seem to dislike religion, but the morals that have come with it have no doubt benefited society. can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?

yes, i am fully aware of the mass murders and oppression in the name of religion, but i don&#39;t think christianity is completely evil.

[h&s]

can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?
Yes, how much better would that have been?
No one would have been burnt for &#39;being a witch,&#39; no-one would have been stoned to death for daring to have an affair. No-one would have been discriminated against/tortured/killed for being homosexual. Sex would not be a hushed-up discriminatory thing, people would have been allowed to enjoy it with anyone they want. People wouldn&#39;t have used the Bible to justify keeping slaves or treating women as property.
The list is endless.

[Social Greenman]

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[kingbee]

Originally posted by h&[email protected] 5 2005, 01:00 PM

can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?
Yes, how much better would that have been?
No one would have been burnt for &#39;being a witch,&#39; no-one would have been stoned to death for daring to have an affair. No-one would have been discriminated against/tortured/killed for being homosexual. Sex would not be a hushed-up discriminatory thing, people would have been allowed to enjoy it with anyone they want. People wouldn&#39;t have used the Bible to justify keeping slaves or treating women as property.
The list is endless.
i repeat- i know these things have happened. i didn&#39;t defend these actions.

i&#39;m saying that the morals associated with christianity (and other religions, i suppose) have, in my view, been beneficial to society in some ways.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by kingbee+Sep 5 2005, 06:03 PM--> (kingbee @ Sep 5 2005, 06:03 PM)
h&[email protected] 5 2005, 01:00 PM

can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?
Yes, how much better would that have been?
No one would have been burnt for &#39;being a witch,&#39; no-one would have been stoned to death for daring to have an affair. No-one would have been discriminated against/tortured/killed for being homosexual. Sex would not be a hushed-up discriminatory thing, people would have been allowed to enjoy it with anyone they want. People wouldn&#39;t have used the Bible to justify keeping slaves or treating women as property.
The list is endless.
i repeat- i know these things have happened. i didn&#39;t defend these actions.

i&#39;m saying that the morals associated with christianity (and other religions, i suppose) have, in my view, been beneficial to society in some ways. [/b]
Kingbee is right.

Check out the actions of Oscar Romero.

He was an archbishop, yet cared about the poor, just like Jesus.

[praxis1966]

Well, to be fair, there have been all sorts of religious types that have worked for the betterment of the downtrodden. Ghandi, King, and Malcom X all played their part. Most of the time, however, it seems as though the ones with the real political power happen to be from the opposite side of the aisle.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by Intifada+Sep 5 2005, 12:13 PM--> (Intifada &#064; Sep 5 2005, 12:13 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:03 PM

h&[email protected] 5 2005, 01:00 PM

can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?
Yes, how much better would that have been?
No one would have been burnt for &#39;being a witch,&#39; no-one would have been stoned to death for daring to have an affair. No-one would have been discriminated against/tortured/killed for being homosexual. Sex would not be a hushed-up discriminatory thing, people would have been allowed to enjoy it with anyone they want. People wouldn&#39;t have used the Bible to justify keeping slaves or treating women as property.
The list is endless.
i repeat- i know these things have happened. i didn&#39;t defend these actions.

i&#39;m saying that the morals associated with christianity (and other religions, i suppose) have, in my view, been beneficial to society in some ways.
Kingbee is right.

Check out the actions of Oscar Romero.

He was an archbishop, yet cared about the poor, just like Jesus. [/b]
:angry: Yes, and he was condemned for it by the Vatican and his fellow Archbishops, you know that Liberation Theology is just too much like communism/socialism <_<

[Bannockburn]

Yes, Christian ethics served its purpose 2000 years ago, and may have had some importance, or relevance till the 18th century. There are a better ethical systems out there. Kantian and both Unitarianism are better doctrines. Moreover, I tend to think even the virtue ethics of Aristotle is better. I say, lets evolve, and rid ourselves of Christianity, and its so called ethics.

[Intifada]

Originally posted by Commie Girl+Sep 6 2005, 01:17 AM--> (Commie Girl &#064; Sep 6 2005, 01:17 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 06:03 PM

h&[email protected] 5 2005, 01:00 PM

can you imagine society throughout history without any christian, or other religious morals?
Yes, how much better would that have been?
No one would have been burnt for &#39;being a witch,&#39; no-one would have been stoned to death for daring to have an affair. No-one would have been discriminated against/tortured/killed for being homosexual. Sex would not be a hushed-up discriminatory thing, people would have been allowed to enjoy it with anyone they want. People wouldn&#39;t have used the Bible to justify keeping slaves or treating women as property.
The list is endless.
i repeat- i know these things have happened. i didn&#39;t defend these actions.

i&#39;m saying that the morals associated with christianity (and other religions, i suppose) have, in my view, been beneficial to society in some ways.
Kingbee is right.

Check out the actions of Oscar Romero.

He was an archbishop, yet cared about the poor, just like Jesus.
:angry: Yes, and he was condemned for it by the Vatican and his fellow Archbishops, you know that Liberation Theology is just too much like communism/socialism <_< [/b]
That is true, and leads me to the conclusion that religious leaders, such as the Pope, are no good.