Chavez offers oil to US poor

[Enragé]

Hugo Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S.

Posted: 8/26/2005 1:08:19 PM
Author: CNN

HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline.

"We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba.

Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States.

The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America.

Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.

Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills.

Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America.

Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/....gasoline.reut/

[Des]

chavez is the man... that could really hurt bush n co.. if poor americans get cheap petrol and free health care.. would sway them chavez's way...

all good.. but will it really happen...

[Bannockburn]

I heard that too. I was like.."kick ass". He's also giving cheap oil to Cuba. I say good for him.

[Des]

ahh america is going to stop all of this someway... they'll find someway...

if only this all happened 10years back.. when castro wasnt 79!

I got a feeling Venezuela will jump in and defend cuba once castro passes... to help an american insurge...

[Xiao Banfa]

The Anarchists won't like this.
Any diversion from absolutism is anathema to the anti Socialist-Contruction Anarchists.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Tino [email protected] 27 2005, 01:01 PM
The Anarchists won't like this.
Any diversion from absolutism is anathema to the anti Socialist-Contruction Anarchists.
:blink:

i think the anarchists would think this is great

i have anarchist tendencies myself and i think its bloody awesome :D

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America.

What the fuck? how many dictators have Chavez and Castro provided military and financial aid to? How much has the US?


The Anarchists won't like this.
Any diversion from absolutism is anathema to the anti Socialist-Contruction Anarchists.

Fuck off, sectarian ****!

[bolshevik butcher]

That's a weak attempt to start a flame war with anarchists.

Yeh this would be great if it ever happened but i doubt the U$ would ever allow it. Nice publicicty stunt though.

[Technique3055]

Yeah, let's go assassinate Chavez.

(In case you didn't know, that was sarcasm)

[Kamikaze Gangbang]

Maybe if people would get jobs they could afford to buy gas.

[More Fire for the People]

I doubt America has a 100% unemployment rate.
In fact, I doubt it even has a 50% unemployment rate.

[Ownthink]

Here's a fixed link for everyone:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/...reut/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/23/chavez.gasoline.reut/index.html)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 05:22 PM
Maybe if people would get jobs they could afford to buy gas.
Maybe if you looked outside your sheltered middle class life you would realise that sometimes a job isn't enough.

[Kamikaze Gangbang]

Originally posted by NoXion+Aug 27 2005, 09:06 PM--> (NoXion @ Aug 27 2005, 09:06 PM)
Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 05:22 PM
Maybe if people would get jobs they could afford to buy gas.
Maybe if you looked outside your sheltered middle class life you would realise that sometimes a job isn't enough. [/b]
isn't enough for what?

I have a job, my wife has a job and we have no problem buying gasoline.

what's your point?

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Kamikaze Gangbang+Aug 27 2005, 05:09 PM--> (Kamikaze Gangbang @ Aug 27 2005, 05:09 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:06 PM

Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 05:22 PM
Maybe if people would get jobs they could afford to buy gas.
Maybe if you looked outside your sheltered middle class life you would realise that sometimes a job isn't enough.
isn't enough for what?

I have a job, my wife has a job and we have no problem buying gasoline.

what's your point? [/b]
I believe his point, among other things, was that you're an asshole.

Oh, that and you know nothing of people who work their ass off 60+ hours a week and barely have anything to show for it, and can BARELY or not even at all pay the bills. Fuck you and your "holy than thou" attitude you prick.

[Kamikaze Gangbang]

Originally posted by Ownthink+Aug 27 2005, 09:19 PM--> (Ownthink @ Aug 27 2005, 09:19 PM)
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:06 PM

Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 05:22 PM
Maybe if people would get jobs they could afford to buy gas.
Maybe if you looked outside your sheltered middle class life you would realise that sometimes a job isn't enough.
isn't enough for what?

I have a job, my wife has a job and we have no problem buying gasoline.

what's your point?
I believe his point, among other things, was that you're an asshole.

Oh, that and you know nothing of people who work their ass off 60+ hours a week and barely have anything to show for it, and can BARELY or not even at all pay the bills. Fuck you and your "holy than thou" attitude you prick. [/b]
do you work 60 hours a week or are you just some spoiled brat living in your parents house?

You don't know anything about me. You don't know jack.

I've worked my whole life, what about you?

I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I'm not some idealistic BABY living with my parents spouting utopian bullshit on a message board! :D

[xchromerighty]

maybe, just maybe, if some folks didn't have 3 cell phones, a new car and cable modem, they might actually have something at the end of that 60 hr work week.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You don't know anything about me. You don't know jack.

And you know precisely dick about any of the members of this board, so stop trying to fit us within your stereotypes.


I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I'm not some idealistic BABY living with my parents spouting utopian bullshit on a message board! :D

No, you're a blind fool who refuses to see sense.

[Kamikaze Gangbang]

^^^^ RACK Xchromerighty!!

finally some common sense!!!!!!!

I just love these "Momma's basement" commmies!


Hey commies: You do realize that if you get what you want, it's no more Nintendo, Cheetos, or internet, right?????

:D

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 09:30 PM
^^^^ RACK Xchromerighty!!

finally some common sense!!!!!!!

I just love these "Momma's basement" commmies!


Hey commies: You do realize that if you get what you want, it's no more Nintendo, Cheetos, or internet, right?????

:D
Not really. It simply means no more bloodsucking vampires, and a more rational system based on mutual aid and free association. If you want to know how this is supposed to work, the material is there, you simply have to read it.

And again, you assert that most of us live with our parents with absolutely no proof at all.

Gaming systems, Snack foods, and the internet would still exist in classless society because people will want them.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

under communism, none of that would exist.

How can you say that when you've never lived in a communist society?


We'd still be pickin' cotton and growing staple crops

Nope, we would be working in jobs of our own choosing and growing every sort of crop imaginable.


we'd be riding horse a buggy

Think bigger. I'd rather have a personal spacecraft.


under communism, progress halts.

Proof?


nothing happens

Childish assertion.


it's GAY! :rotfl:

Ah, I see you're a homophobe as well as a numbskull.

[Matty_UK]

Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 09:30 PM
^^^^ RACK Xchromerighty!!

finally some common sense!!!!!!!

I just love these "Momma's basement" commmies!


Hey commies: You do realize that if you get what you want, it's no more Nintendo, Cheetos, or internet, right?????

:D
Hey asshole, you do realise that outside the US where the poor are given shit education and are brainwashed to hate communism without knowing anything about them, most commies are working class. This is an international forum, not just American. I don't even know wtf Cheetos are.
Think about it; in Bethnal Green, north east London, a Communist MP got elected. That is a working class area. Answer me this if you think Capitalism is so ideal; why should people without money the world over be denied healthcare and education because they didn't have a rich kid daddy to buy their yuppy flat like you did? And why should people be starving if there's more than enough food to go round?

Small minded twat. You really need to get out your hometown a bit more often; get a passport or something.

[Reds]

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1450

join the BUYcott.

[Moonfire]

I love this man. I think Chavez is one of the great heroes of our time.

Edit: I would like to see how america reacts to this as well. Perhaps imprisoning people who purchase the gasoline from venezuala, or placing an embargo. Im sure whatever he does, it will be bullshit.

[JokingClown]

I have a question for someone who knows a little more about this than me.

CHavez offered approximately a 50% discount on the cost of Gas for poor americans, on one very important condition. There be know middle men, no corporation he has to go through, no tax laws etc. He called these things intermediaries. Is it true more or less that as of now.. well ill give a pretend example.

Pretend currently that gas costs exactly $2.00 a gallon. Chavez offers $1.00 a gallon for the poor folks, assuming the "intermediaries" are cut out of the equation. He would be making $1 profit a gallon, because none of the money goes to the intermediaries. As of now, the intermediaries skim a dollar off the top.

So its not like chavez's proposal is a political ploy completely unfounded, right? I mean, its not like hes really doing anyone a favor. well, hes doing the poor Americans a favor, but hes not doing it out of his own pocket, if i understand the article correctly.
----------------------------------------

Ok so my question is, did I understand the term intermediaries correctly, or did i misinterpret it? If anyone has a link explaining any part of what I said better, I would absolutely love it. thanks.

[Commie Girl]

:angry: "He" is not making a $1 profit per gallon, he is selling the oil for #1/gallon. Period. Same amount of gasoline he would have been selling. He is selling it at cost.

If anything, the people of Venezuela should be profiting by selling their oil!

[JokingClown]

yeah i didnt mean profit. I wasnt factoring expenses other than the intermediaries.

[NovelGentry]

Pretend currently that gas costs exactly $2.00 a gallon.

Key word being pretend.

On a more general note... I've always bought from Citgo when I'm around one... it's always been the cheapest.

[JokingClown]

the amount per gallon was unimportant in my "story" it could have been fifty cents or one hundred dollars.

[sapho]

I will join the BUYcott. Good article.

[OleMarxco]

Well, I would've, 'tho I don't think the US poor need's any reekin' oil stinkin' up 'eir place...but more money, right's, conditions and treatment...or just a whole new kind'o society ;)

Plus, what's so bad about "Progress haltin'", in Communist-society, IF it did? I wouldn't complain, feh'sho! We're well off now - technologically - and don't need to go further! I mean, heck, 'cept for a cure o'cancer, o'course, but all'rat other shit - artifical computer's....It'd be our doom to continue progress there :D
Better learn from history! Oh; And all nukes would be duked.

[PrideoftheProletariat]

Hands down, Hugo Chavez rocks. One can only hope that he will help to progres socialism in our modern era.

[Anarchist Freedom]

This is just funny to me. Hes just showing the Us whats up. I love it

Go chavez

[Yazman]

Yeah, they have done some awesome stuff in Venezuela indeed. Chavez does rock.

[Martin Blank]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 05:29 PM

I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I'm not some idealistic BABY living with my parents spouting utopian bullshit on a message board! :D

No, you're a blind fool who refuses to see sense.
Nah, he's just some idiot yuppie whining about how he wouldn't be able to get in on the deal.

Miles