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Amusing Scrotum
25th August 2005, 23:48
I don't know whether this should be posted in theory or learning? Both seem appropriate, anyway feel free to move this to a more relevant section.

Anyway I have a basic, well almost basic understanding of Marxist, Communist Economics etc.
I'm struggling through Capital as we speak. With every page, Utopian Socialism seems better and more attractive. :D

Anyway, I have seen mentioned here, on various occasions that Communist society would be moneyless, coupons would not be allowed etc. Even with my primitive Economic skills I can fathom this prospect, and how it will work. However, how could someone go travelling. Everything is free, in essence, but what is to stop people from spending their whole life travelling, living off the good will of others. Would there be some form of rota system like in the current world where you apply for time off? Anyones thoughts on this would be great.

violencia.Proletariat
26th August 2005, 00:10
well as long as you take part in some kind of work as you travel from place to place, i dont see whats wrong with doing that for a few years. but i still think working collectives would have a decided number of vacation days. now are you asking for some sort of check to make sure people arent travelling and not working at all, id be open to ideas also.

Amusing Scrotum
26th August 2005, 00:30
now are you asking for some sort of check to make sure people arent travelling and not working at all, id be open to ideas also.

Yeah this is my basic question. How is this regulated without being to authoritarean and also what to stop someone saying I worked for 2 years in Britain and now am taking my holiday in America. It would be almost impossible to regulate everyone. Or would it?

Enragé
26th August 2005, 02:00
vacation could also be just working in a different collective, say, on the other side of the world. This would also enhance international solidarity.

Clarksist
26th August 2005, 02:27
http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=38559

Some good discussion on this topic in there. ;)

anomaly
26th August 2005, 02:36
I honestly don't know why anyone would travel their whole life. One can't travel forever only with other's good will, and so eventually our traveler will become a walker. Now, isn't walking great distances a bit more strenuous than a few hours of labor each day? And why would anyone want to leave their family and friends, not just for awhile, and not ever seek any new friends, but rather travel all their life? I do not see this as likely.

Kez
26th August 2005, 10:15
Also the fact that people like to travel these days to get away from home and work and the stresses tied to it.

If you take away the stresses, you take away a reason to travel.

Under communism however peoples thinking would be different, somebody who did want to travel their whole life would realise it would be at the cost of workers internationally, and that if everyone did this you risk destroying communism, and since it has brung so many benefits from the time of capitalism, why would somebody want to do this?

Also the community can lay checks, using developing technology if need be.

violencia.Proletariat
26th August 2005, 20:25
ok, ive thought about this some. before traveling you would have to go to a department at the airport, before you get on a ship etc, and you will tell them for how long you are traveling and with a document from your work place on how long you are on vacation. now if you dont come back, well your obviously out of the collective now and have no job. but after how long your trip document is stamped for is expired, you cant board another plane, unless its back to where you live. and whats to stop people who would like to travel but in order to keep traveling they would have to volunteer to do work for the few hours a day each place they go. in order to check this you would at the first point plan out your trip and get it aproved along with a membership card of some sort that says you are a travelling volunteer worker. now the workplaces you will be volunteering while traveling would already be contacted before you leave. and each time you go to the place and do work you get a check. now if you try and go to your next destination but have no check, your only option is passage home.

Amusing Scrotum
26th August 2005, 21:22
anomaly-
I honestly don't know why anyone would travel their whole life. One can't travel forever only with other's good will, and so eventually our traveler will become a walker.

If I could afford it. I would love to travel to different parts of the world. Stopping and staying in places. Much like Ernesto Guervara did in his early years. If there was the possibility of working in these places, I would do that.
So really I've answered my orginal question. :huh:

slim
27th August 2005, 18:23
I agree with anomoly that people would not travel their whole life.

I also think that there should be no limitation on travel. Imagine the new kind of literature that would come about from a well travelled society.