Homosexuality in so-called "Socialist states"

[Karl Marx's Camel]

How was homosexuality viewed upon by the leadership in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

How was homosexuality viewed upon by the people in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

Were there laws discriminating homosexuals in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

Was homosexuality, and/or homosexual acts, legal or illegal?

How was the situation for homosexuals, compared to the situation in the West?

[Kez]

USSR allowed homosexuals till Stalin

I know West Germany had remaining homophobic laws from Hitler up until 1988 or something.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Cuba put homosexuals in jail. As they were viewed as counter revolutionary.
A low point certainly in the Cuban revolution. However I would say, homophobic laws have or still exist, in just about every country in the world. Which in no way makes it justifiable for Socialist countries to put homosexuals in prison or discriminate against them. It just means Socialist countries are no more advanced in this area than Capitalist countries.

[guerillablack]

Stop calling it homophobic laws.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 06:41 PM
Stop calling it homophobic laws.
what do you call it then?

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 12:41 AM
Stop calling it homophobic laws.
well thats what they are arent they

[Amusing Scrotum]

If a law discriminates against a homosexual person, its homophobic. A person of a different race, racist. An entire class of people, Capitalist. :D

[Camarada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 08:22 PM
How was homosexuality viewed upon by the leadership in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

How was homosexuality viewed upon by the people in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

Were there laws discriminating homosexuals in China, USSR, Cuba etc.?

Was homosexuality, and/or homosexual acts, legal or illegal?

How was the situation for homosexuals, compared to the situation in the West?
China has for a long time discriminated against gays and lesbians.

[Andy Bowden]

Cuba did imprison Gays and Lesbians, but I think homosexuality was legalised in 1976 with the new constitution.

[OleMarxco]

Well, that doesn't excuse 'em for givin' us a bad name. They -did- harass the homosexual, which mean's, they can't run away from that by suddently switchin' stance. Homophobia is homophobia. Any law is discriminating against somethin' - Even if we think it is justified. For example, law's against shoplifting. Isn't that discriminating against cleptomanic's? No pun intended ;)

[Fidelbrand]

Castro declared homosexuals are tolerated in Cuba (See "commandante")

For China, there aren't laws to get them in jail, but instead, social pressures do the job. However, as China is more opened up right now, homosexuals are gradually tolerated, espeically in major cities.

[LamarLatrell]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 10:31 PM
Cuba put homosexuals in jail. As they were viewed as counter revolutionary.
A low point certainly in the Cuban revolution.
Just as people have every right to be homosexual-at least in some countries-other people have every right to be against homosexuals.

Just as communists are against capitalism, many people are against homosexuality. I think you'll find that homosexuals are so interested in their own struggle that their beliefs are viewed as self serving by communists and conservatives. They have no identity as a politcal group beyond their sexual preference. They are an unknown entity of sorts.

Most people, even communists just don't like homosexuality. And there's absolutely no reason why they can't feel that way. Homosexuality is viewed as deviant.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by LamarLatrell+Aug 28 2005, 04:12 PM--> (LamarLatrell @ Aug 28 2005, 04:12 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 10:31 PM
Cuba put homosexuals in jail. As they were viewed as counter revolutionary.
A low point certainly in the Cuban revolution.
Just as people have every right to be homosexual-at least in some countries-other people have every right to be against homosexuals.

Just as communists are against capitalism, many people are against homosexuality. I think you'll find that homosexuals are so interested in their own struggle that their beliefs are viewed as self serving by communists and conservatives. They have no identity as a politcal group beyond their sexual preference. They are an unknown entity of sorts.

Most people, even communists just don't like homosexuality. And there's absolutely no reason why they can't feel that way. Homosexuality is viewed as deviant. [/b]
:angry:

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by LamarLatrell+Aug 28 2005, 02:12 PM--> (LamarLatrell @ Aug 28 2005, 02:12 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 10:31 PM
Cuba put homosexuals in jail. As they were viewed as counter revolutionary.
A low point certainly in the Cuban revolution.
Just as people have every right to be homosexual-at least in some countries-other people have every right to be against homosexuals.

Just as communists are against capitalism, many people are against homosexuality. I think you'll find that homosexuals are so interested in their own struggle that their beliefs are viewed as self serving by communists and conservatives. They have no identity as a politcal group beyond their sexual preference. They are an unknown entity of sorts.

Most people, even communists just don't like homosexuality. And there's absolutely no reason why they can't feel that way. Homosexuality is viewed as deviant. [/b]
:angry: Your "opinions" dont count. State some facts. I could just as well say that most people could care less what others do "in the bedroom", as Pierre Trudeau once said, " The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."

I am very thnkful that I live in a country that promotes equality, regardless of sexual orientation.

[LamarLatrell]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 28 2005, 08:31 PM

:angry: Your "opinions" dont count. State some facts. I could just as well say that most people could care less what others do "in the bedroom", as Pierre Trudeau once said, " The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."

I am very thnkful that I live in a country that promotes equality, regardless of sexual orientation.
Canada has no relevancy whatsoever in any serious discussion of politics or world afairs in general.

Also, an individual opinion concerning homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with "the state." Everybody has personal opinions. Your quote makes no sense in this discussion.

What country do you live in?

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by LamarLatrell+Aug 28 2005, 02:37 PM--> (LamarLatrell @ Aug 28 2005, 02:37 PM)
Commie [email protected] 28 2005, 08:31 PM

:angry: Your "opinions" dont count. State some facts. I could just as well say that most people could care less what others do "in the bedroom", as Pierre Trudeau once said, " The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."

I am very thnkful that I live in a country that promotes equality, regardless of sexual orientation.
Canada has no relevancy whatsoever in any serious discussion of politics or world afairs in general.

Also, an individual opinion concerning homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with "the state." Everybody has personal opinions. Your quote makes no sense in this discussion.

What country do you live in? [/b]
Another stupid opinion. And yes, I live in Canada, how did you guess? :lol:

People have risen above their own homophobic ideas in the name of equality, like equal marriage for all peoples.

Your narrow-mindedness is showing by "declaring" that certain nations are not "relevant".

My guess is that you live in the U$ :D

P.S. Stop Spamming!

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Restrict this idiot to OI.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

PS. To those who are claiming that people were jailed for being homosexual in Cuba, where are your sources?

[guerillablack]

Why restrict him for having a different opinion then him? Actually, he didn't even say those were his views.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

United States Navy?? And you're asking me why?

[Amusing Scrotum]

CompaneroDeLibertad-
PS. To those who are claiming that people were jailed for being homosexual in Cuba, where are your sources?

Off the top of my head, theres a writer named Ricardo Ramos, I think. Who was imprisoned at La Cabana. If you want to find sources feel free, I cannot be bothered.


LamarLatrell-
Just as communists are against capitalism, many people are against homosexuality. I think you'll find that homosexuals are so interested in their own struggle that their beliefs are viewed as self serving by communists and conservatives. They have no identity as a politcal group beyond their sexual preference. They are an unknown entity of sorts.

You obviously must know every member of the Gay community to make a generalisation like that.

Would a working class man fighting against oppression, be self-serving too?

If you think fighting against oppression and discrimination are selfish ideals, then you are no comrade of mine.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

If you want to find sources feel free, I cannot be bothered.

Then why should anyone 'be bothered' to believe anything you say?

[OleMarxco]

As if you can draw a parallell inbetween....
* People's intolerance against homosexuality, and
* People's dissatisfaction with Capitalism.

The first has subject opinion's of "disgusting" against it...
...the latter has hand-ful and material proof against it.
"Almost objective". What do you make out'o all o'ris? ;)
PERHAPS....
That there's a difference between sexual condition's and social condition's? :D

[Amusing Scrotum]

Then why should anyone 'be bothered' to believe anything you say?

You shouldn't. Its just, unlike many different factions of not just this board, but society. I'm a fan of the Cuban Revolution and of Fidel and Che. However I do not support it blindly and somewhere I can't remember where, I've seen accounts of the persecution of homosexuals in Cuba, which I am against.
Its like supporting a sports team, but disliking one of the players. To use a poor analogy.

[The Feral Underclass]

I'm being genuine when I ask: What is the point of this thread?

[guerillablack]

He wants to know if it should be banned i guess

[Severian]

An overview of Cuban policies on gays, in the form of a critical review of "Before Night Falls" (http://www.blythe.org/bnf.html)

A more detailed look in the same form by the same author (http://www.seeingred.com/Copy/4.2_sexualpolitics.html)

Yes, people were sent to labor camps, called UMAP for being gay among other reasons. The camps were supposed to be an alternative to military service. The UMAP camps were abolished after a short time, due to widespread abuses.

Also briefly details how homosexuality was legalized by the Bolsheviks, banned under Stalin and his successors. Mentions that only in 2001 did the offical association of psychiatrists in China acknowledge that homosexuality is not a mental illness.

In short, the persecution of gays is a feature of apparatchik regimes seeking to use all kinds of oppression and prejudices in order to reinforce their own privileged rule over working people.

It also, for a time, affected the less-bureaucratized Cuban regime, due to the ideological influence of the Soviet and other bureaucratic regimes in Cuba.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

This is the same history I'm familiar with, I just wanted him to provide some sort of source.

[Stellix]

Working class people outside Western Europe have more important things to worry about than if Neil and Bob can hitched this weekend, like staying alive.