"Anti-Police Tactics"

[Enragé]

this topic is related to the military tactics thread. However the latter has to do with post revolutionary military tactics, while this will be about how to confront the (riot) police in pre-revolutionary times.

Anything from defensive, to offensive, passive to agressive to provocative tactics etc, share the wisdom ;)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Might I suggest one thing? A battering ram. This thing can be split into two or three interlocking parts, and while in action can be carried by 4-8 people and shoved against riot shields and barricades.

[Donnie]

Might I suggest one thing? A battering ram. This thing can be split into two or three interlocking parts, and while in action can be carried by 4-8 people and shoved against riot shields and barricades.
Hmmm sounds good but I don't fancy running around with a group of people carrying a battering ram around for one reason being it will slow us down and second of all the police will most likely chase us because where the biggest and slowest threat with carrying a plank of wood around.

No, the best thing to do is get a couple of big moveable rubbish bins set them a light and try to re-enforce them with something and have them as a blockade.

The "tute bianche" had this theory in Genoa where they would pad them selves up in homemade armor and just walk forward to the police and try and push through there lines. The "tute bianche" would not hit the police back but most likely the police would hit them but this would show the people around them like the media and local people that it is the police that are being the violent ones.

Another tactic is the pacifist liberal way where by you just sit on the floor and get you’re head caved in by a baton. <_< Not my choice.

The other tactic that is mosy famous on demo&#39;s and is most criticized by the pacifist left is the good old "Black Bloc" its the best tactic if you want to get some serious revenge on behalf of you&#39;re class. ;)
The Black Bloc are good because they also do un-arrest tactics sometimes where by if you get nicked the Black Bloc may come after you and release you. :)

Oh one tip that I’ll give you is you want to keep an eye out for the police because they have a knack of &#39;kettaling&#39; people. I&#39;ve not yet been kettled because I&#39;ve had good direct action vets watching out for me; especially in the G8 summit when some of the people I was with managed to get our group and my self from getting &#39;kettled&#39; by the police.
Kettaling is when the police surround you and keep you surrounded for hours and hours and hours, then they eventually let each of you go individually but not without de-masking you and getting you&#39;re name and address.

The police also like to deploy &#39;Snatch Squads&#39;. I don&#39;t really have to explain this because it&#39;s pretty understandable by the name.

Never underestimate the police they go for anyone at demos. The Genoa G8 summit was the most notorious that I’ve herd of. The Italian police went around beating local people up, in fact if you get a book called ‘On Fire: The battle of Genoa and the anti-capitalist movement’ it shows some of the stuff the Italian police did. As many of you know the police ended up killing one protestor by shooting him in the head.

Safe in numbers&#33;

[Decolonize The Left]

Indeed as Donnie has pointed out, there are many tactics availible to protesters when dealing with the police. If you are interested in the Black Bloc, I started a thread on it here (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=39078).

-- August

[novemba]

I&#39;ll post my writings and drawings soon.

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 05:58 PM
I&#39;ll post my writings and drawings soon.
i dont suggest posting your drawings.

[Enragé]

Another tactic is the pacifist liberal way where by you just sit on the floor and get you’re head caved in by a baton.

this can be a powerful tactic however, if there is media around that is, no point in being a hero when there aint the media to let other people know it happened. I actually see myself doing this.
I guess it all comes down to what mood im in, if some police fuck really pisses me off he shouldnt be surprised if he gets a beating, if im feeling pacifistic however i&#39;ll just sit down on my knees and go like "yeah what now you fuck, beat me into a pulp in front of these cameras, then people will see the true face of this system"


i dont suggest posting your drawings.

why not? That would be quite useful. And i dont think its such a big of a difference between talking about how to make something and showing some sketches of it.

[Snitza]

Originally posted by organic revolution+Aug 26 2005, 12:01 AM--> (organic revolution @ Aug 26 2005, 12:01 AM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 05:58 PM
I&#39;ll post my writings and drawings soon.
i dont suggest posting your drawings. [/b]
He&#39;s a poor artist? :blink:

[Clarksist]

why not? That would be quite useful. And i dont think its such a big of a difference between talking about how to make something and showing some sketches of it.


Really, I think this post is really bordering on there.

Let&#39;s change the conversation to tactics against terrorists who use the same exact weapons and equipment as police. <_<

I&#39;m serious... this is one of those times where you may want to step back a bit.

[Organic Revolution]

Posting detailed sketches of riot models? horrible idea to me.

[MoscowFarewell]

Why? Its perfect. Just like a riot manual for police. I consider the gear and plans used from both sides, police and protestors, to be straight riot, as in no side. The police have riot gear as do protestors. The police have plans and such as to what to do in riots as do protestors, or at least the veteran ones. I&#39;d for one like to see these. Protesting and rioting are becoming something of interest.


The most interesting tactic as the higher above said was a burning barricade.

I&#39;m surprised no one mentioned rock chucking yet.

[RASH chris]

Stringing twine around posts in intersections can do amazing things very quickly. Just weave them all over the place. Or use 550 cord (aka para cord).

Putting your flag on a lacrosse stick can give you a lot more range for distributing things or sending messages to police from a distance. And with a screw and wingnut the head of the lacrosse stick can be quickly removed and it will return to looking just like a flag on a stick.

shields Plywood, trash can lids, etc.

Helmets

Goggles ( gas mask is always the best though)

[Organic Revolution]

pleather gloves and steel toe boots for kicking or throwing tear gas.

[slim]

No steel toe caps&#33; During the revolution there will be a lot of marching. If you want to sprain an ankle, get blisters or worse and more likely, lose your footing wneh your fighting riot police, then by all means go for it. lol.

If you want steel toe caps make sure you are used to them and also bring a pair of walking boots or something in your bag. Lots of socks.

Sounds like obvious stuff but not many people have the time to sit there and think about this stuff.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 03:59 AM
Stringing twine around posts in intersections can do amazing things very quickly. Just weave them all over the place. Or use 550 cord (aka para cord).

Putting your flag on a lacrosse stick can give you a lot more range for distributing things or sending messages to police from a distance. And with a screw and wingnut the head of the lacrosse stick can be quickly removed and it will return to looking just like a flag on a stick.

shields Plywood, trash can lids, etc.

Helmets

Goggles ( gas mask is always the best though)
i think we should concentrate on disabling the police&#39;s gasmasks rather than buying our own. I believe i saw something in DIY about that.

[Donnie]

Stringing twine around posts in intersections can do amazing things very quickly. Just weave them all over the place. Or use 550 cord (aka para cord).
I love that idea. That’s an ace tactic for having a laugh, I can imagine weaving tones of string on the road then get someone to get the riot police chasing them then when the individual runs round a corner and jumps over the string the riot police don&#39;t jump and trip over and fall over each other hahah and then there&#39;s only one word for this "Dogpile&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;" The police wouldn’t probably see the string due to the amount of stuff they where over their faces.

It&#39;s also useful because they may drop a few things when they fall over like shield or tear gas which may be useful to us. ;)

[Organic Revolution]

i dont understand slim. why no steel toe boots, how will you lose your footing.

[Decolonize The Left]

I think in a confrontation with the police you would want to be as mobile and flexible as possible. Nothing too heavy because you will eventually need to haul ass and won&#39;t want to be slowed down.

Running shoes. Lightweight dark pants, with pockets (preferably a few zippered ones for valuables), light t-shirt or long-sleeve shirt, batting gloves or other gloves, sweatshirt w/hood, bandana for face or mask, beanie or cap.

As for utilities, sheilds or whatever is up to you.

Note: always keep a small knife or nail clippers in back pocket in case you are bound with those plastic ties. Clip-em quickly and run like fuck.

I consider this to be the basics of any demonstration where police confrontation is expected. Always remember, you are faster than the riot police, they are weighed down with gear, and this is your advantage. You cannot beat them man for man, but you can with tactics to break their lines.

-- August

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 07:10 PM
I think in a confrontation with the police you would want to be as mobile and flexible as possible. Nothing too heavy because you will eventually need to haul ass and won&#39;t want to be slowed down.

Running shoes. Lightweight dark pants, with pockets (preferably a few zippered ones for valuables), light t-shirt or long-sleeve shirt, batting gloves or other gloves, sweatshirt w/hood, bandana for face or mask, beanie or cap.

As for utilities, sheilds or whatever is up to you.

Note: always keep a small knife or nail clippers in back pocket in case you are bound with those plastic ties. Clip-em quickly and run like fuck.

I consider this to be the basics of any demonstration where police confrontation is expected. Always remember, you are faster than the riot police, they are weighed down with gear, and this is your advantage. You cannot beat them man for man, but you can with tactics to break their lines.

-- August
not a great idea to carry a knife to a protest. they can charge you with intent to kill.

[symtoms_of_humanity]

Why no steeel toe&#39;s, I&#39;ve worn them, I wear them all the time, and I don&#39;t lose my footing, they do get a bit heavy, but thats only after hours and hours, you do get blisters but thats only if your feet aren&#39;t used to them, and once they get used to them your feet get tough and no more blisters

[symtoms_of_humanity]

How do you combat tear gas or w/e, I hear putting water on the bandana on your face helps, was wondering if it was true, whenever i went to a demo i always brought a bottle of water in my bag, but never needed it

[novemba]

*vinegar

aslo I&#39;m an art student so just shhhhhhhhh.

[Decolonize The Left]

not a great idea to carry a knife to a protest. they can charge you with intent to kill.

That&#39;s why I had nail clippers as well, but good point.

-- August

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 08:36 PM
How do you combat tear gas or w/e, I hear putting water on the bandana on your face helps, was wondering if it was true, whenever i went to a demo i always brought a bottle of water in my bag, but never needed it
check out the DIY forum.. also water does nothing except keep the CS chemicals in your bandana.

[Decolonize The Left]

Soaking a rag in lime juice and keeping it in a bag will remove all chemicals when wiped on your skill. Well maybe not all, but most. It&#39;s the best answer besides a gas mask.

All you need is a little plastic zip-lock, a rag, and a lime or two, and you&#39;re set.

-- August

[Organic Revolution]

no no no... not lime. viniger and lime. lime alone will just sting your eyes.

[novemba]

^^^ this dude knows what hes talking about

i think you can get a charcoal stick at an art supply store, powderize it, and combine it with lime and vinegar for the ultimate rag, smells like shit though

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 11:28 PM
^^^ this dude knows what hes talking about

i think you can get a charcoal stick at an art supply store, powderize it, and combine it with lime and vinegar for the ultimate rag, smells like shit though
wrong kind of charcol.. that charcol has to low of a content of active ingredients, you can get animal or vegtibale charcol at most stores though.

[Donnie]

I think in a confrontation with the police you would want to be as mobile and flexible as possible. Nothing too heavy because you will eventually need to haul ass and won&#39;t want to be slowed down.

Running shoes. Lightweight dark pants, with pockets (preferably a few zippered ones for valuables), light t-shirt or long-sleeve shirt, batting gloves or other gloves, sweatshirt w/hood, bandana for face or mask, beanie or cap.

As for utilities, sheilds or whatever is up to you.

Note: always keep a small knife or nail clippers in back pocket in case you are bound with those plastic ties. Clip-em quickly and run like fuck.

I consider this to be the basics of any demonstration where police confrontation is expected. Always remember, you are faster than the riot police, they are weighed down with gear, and this is your advantage. You cannot beat them man for man, but you can with tactics to break their lines.

-- August
I think most of what AugustWest said to be about right except for carrying a knife. Up in Scotland they nicked a few people for having Swiss army knifes.
The best thing to do is just wear some dark clothing to mingle in with the rest of the crowd. Bring an extra T-shirt with you preferably not dark so that if things kick off and you get alienated from you&#39;re group you can change you&#39;re top and walk off and meet up with them again; that way the police won&#39;t attack you or question you because they&#39;ll think you&#39;re just another upstanding citizen, however I wouldn&#39;t rely on this as police have a knack for just beating anyone up in a riot or a demo.

I think another good thing for just general demo&#39;s or summits is make sure the people you are going with know who you are so that if you get lost or nicked they know who&#39;s lost or nicked. Keep an eye on each other, partner up like buddies so that you can keep an eye on them and they can keep an eye on you.

Also if you&#39;re going to a demo or summit and you think things may kick off write some solicitors numbers on you&#39;re arm in permanent marker that way if you get nicked you’ll have some reliable solicitors numbers on you because if you write them on paper and put them in you&#39;re pocket it&#39;s most likely they’ll take it off you because of them being a bunch of corrupt idiots.
It’s best to have your own solicitor because I’ve herd the one’s they have at the police station are rubbish as there just cops themselves and they just want to get you done for something.

[Organic Revolution]

by solicitor do you mean lawyer?

[Decolonize The Left]

Well put Donnie.

You should always go to demonstrations with a friend or two and watch each others backs. Very important, this will also speed up an time you spend with the police...

Yes write important numbers on your arm, but for God&#39;s sake, not if you are wearing a t-shirt. You&#39;ll figure it out.
I just think it would be kinda funny as you try and walk calmly passed a police man with your beanie-hair, black pants, black shoes, white t-shirt, black backpack with a bunch of numbers written on your forearm entitled: Lawyer, Mom, Civil Rights Institute, etc... :P

Good stuff.

Oh yeah and to clarify, again, forget the small knife. Nail clippers people, nail clippers. :lol:

-- August

[Organic Revolution]

i always write my lawyers number on my upper arm or near my heart

[novemba]

just an update, im in the process of writing a mini-manual of anti-riot police tactics, its really good so far, ill get it to you guys asap

[Organic Revolution]

ill be waiting to read it.