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Commandante_Ant
25th August 2005, 12:53
Troops for Iraq (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/25/troops.iraq/index.html)

Does George Bush fear that his troops might be over-run by militants during the election? I think so. There shouldnt even be any troops there in the first place. The war has been based on a lie and too many soldiers have died.

But i dont think they'll be going anywhere soon as Dubya re-iterated his desire to see it out, to follow through on his plans for Iraq as long as he is president. I'm still in a state of disbelief that the American people voted him in last year!

sapho
25th August 2005, 15:40
Comrade...Only half of the American people voted for Bush because they believed Bush's lies. His approval rating now is about 38% and should fall even further. According to Bush, troops will remain in Iraq for at least "4 more years". Bush will go to hell.

ZACKist
25th August 2005, 16:15
Like comrade sapho said, there was actually only 51+/-% that did vote for him. However, that is enough to see the troubles that we face. I believe however, this could create the much need polarizations that are needed for revolution of the working people. Futhermore, one thing must be clearly stated. Siding with the Democrats is no better than siding with Bush and his Republicans... they're of the same elite bourgeoisie ruling class. We can not settle for less than a revolution in the name of the Internation Proletariat.

Ownthink
25th August 2005, 16:25
Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 11:33 AM
Like comrade sapho said, there was actually only 51+/-% that did vote for him. However, that is enough to see the troubles that we face. I believe however, this could create the much need polarizations that are needed for revolution of the working people. Futhermore, one thing must be clearly stated. Siding with the Democrats is no better than siding with Bush and his Republicans... they're of the same elite bourgeoisie ruling class. We can not settle for less than a revolution in the name of the Internation Proletariat.
Jesus, I keep quoting this guys posts. All of it, quoted for truth.

Decolonize The Left
25th August 2005, 19:35
Indeed as Ownthink iterated, ZACKist was right on.

Not only is it important to remember that Democrats = Republicans on most if not all issues, but one should also remember that this has happened before. When a war begins to continue longer than expected, and more and more troops are needed, more deaths pile up, more people are angry/sad/anguished, more fuel for the revolution.

While I would never praise the deaths of people, I think in the end this will be a good thing for our cause as leftists. The public is blind to the true workings of capitalism, and a large war with many deaths could be an eye-opener if we tie it back to capitalism, and rightly so.

Vietnam brought together the Civil Rights movement, spawned the Women's Movement, enlargened the Anti-War Movement, and spawned some of the closest organizations to revolutionaries we have had here in the US in a long time. Student's for a Democratic Society was huge, and pushed for reform, and out of this grew the Weathermen, which pushed for revolution.

We cannot wait for another huge happening to open the eyes of the public, the War in Iraq was unjustified, and unnecessary, and it happened because of capitalism. People don't think like that. It's time they did.

-- August

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 18:29
How many will return home you ask?

Hmmm, considering the death rate of our troops is like .04% I'd say 1,494 of them.

:D

Ownthink
27th August 2005, 19:43
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 01:47 PM
How many will return home you ask?

Hmmm, considering the death rate of our troops is like .04% I'd say 1,494 of them.

:D
Bahahahaha.


Again, another stupid post from this moron.

redwinter
27th August 2005, 19:48
You guys need to get some facts straight...half of the American people didn't vote for Bush. Not even close. Shit, more than half of the American people didn't vote.

According to Wikipedia's entry on the 2004 u.s. presidential election, 62,040,610 people voted for Bush. The population of the U.S. is estimated to be about 296,000,000. About 20% of the population voted for Bush. Their reasoning for voting for him was, probably in at least 50% of those cases, not very deeply rooted -- we can imagine that maybe only 10% of the u.s. population is diehard reactionary. (this is part of the reasoning behind why revolutionary communists aim to win over approximately 90% of the population for revolution against the ruling class and its allies -- the other 10% -- one of the "90/10"s referred to in the RCP draft programme).

One important thing to remember is that the rank and file voters for a specific party, whether Democratic or Republican, aren't the same as the leadership of the party (which in both cases is thoroughly reactionary and bourgeois, of course)...but people (especially proletarians and, to an extent, petit-bourgeois people) who happen to vote for one or the other party do have an interest in revolution, not in supporting the Democrats or Republicans, and we aim to win them over.


Anyway, more in line with this issue of Bush sending more troops to Iraq for the elections, it reminds me of the last time Iraq had elections -- at the gunpoint of the U.S. imperialists. There was a good article in Revolutionary Worker newspaper about that election a few months ago, it was called "We Have You Surrounded—Come Out With Your Votes Up!" (http://rwor.org/a/1267/iraq-elections.htm). Seems like the same bullshit now, Bush is just adding the icing to the cake and throwing a few extra troops in to top it all off.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:03
Originally posted by Ownthink+Aug 27 2005, 07:01 PM--> (Ownthink @ Aug 27 2005, 07:01 PM)
Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 01:47 PM
How many will return home you ask?

Hmmm, considering the death rate of our troops is like .04% I'd say 1,494 of them.

:D
Bahahahaha.


Again, another stupid post from this moron. [/b]
Yeah, when I post the truth you resort to calling me names like a 6 year old.

No wonder nobody takes suburban commies seriously!

:D

Look up the numbers yourself and get back to me.

General Peters
27th August 2005, 21:15
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 08:21 PM
[QUOTE=Kamikaze Gangbang,Aug 27 2005, 01:47 PM]
Yeah, when I post the truth you resort to calling me names like a 6 year old.

No wonder nobody takes suburban commies seriously!

:D

Look up the numbers yourself and get back to me.
He won't do it. He'll cower in the corner somewhere and start putting his fingers over his ears.

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 21:30
Originally posted by General [email protected] 27 2005, 02:33 PM

Look up the numbers yourself and get back to me.
He won't do it. He'll cower in the corner somewhere and start putting his fingers over his ears. [/quote]
:lol: I think the only one cowering in the corner is your fearless leader...Dummie Dubya.


Here is an example of what the world thinks of the U$ (http://dahrjamailiraq.com/)

As the US-backed Iraqi puppet government flails about arguing over the
so-called constitution, Iraq remains in a state of complete anarchy.
There is no government control whatsoever, even inside the infamous
“Green Zone” where the puppets seem to have tangled their strings.

Why the harsh tone for the conflagrations of the so-called Iraqi government?

Because the price paid for this unimaginably huge misadventure of the
neo-conservative driven Bush junta is being paid by real human beings
who shed real blood and cry real tears. Because well over 100,000 Iraqis
and over 1,800 US soldiers would be alive today if it wasn’t for the
puppeteers of Mr. Bush.

The coward sits behind his guards in Crawford, Texas, too afraid to deal
with the reality of the grief he and his masters have caused to
thousands of military families who have lost loved ones in Iraq.
Meanwhile, fires are raging out of control not only in Iraq, but right
here in the US.

“I ask you, Mr Bush, if you believe that this war is for “Our Freedom”
and “Our Values” why don’t you send your daughters to fight for
freedom,” wrote Fernando Suarez del Solar recently, who lost his son in
Iraq due to the lies of Mr. Bush.

He continued, “Why don’t your closest associates send their children to
defend these values? Why are the children of immigrant families dying?
Why are children from working families who are the least privileged
dying? Why Mr. Bush? Why?”

Of course Suarez del Solar knows the answer. It’s a rhetorical question
asked of a prep school punk who has never earned nor risked anything. A
smirking dimwit, who has never truly served his country, let alone
fellow human beings outside of his gangster corporate crony pals who
inserted him into the highest office…twice.

Today he chooses to ignore the fire which is spreading across the US as
he ignores the debacle in Iraq, where the US military must leave, will
leave, but are unable to leave for fear of tarnishing what is left of
the now sordid reputation of the US.

I get emails daily from sources throughout Iraq…both Iraqi and American.
Even inside US bases in the newest colony things don’t seem to be going
so well, according to an American man who is working there as support.

“I don’t know how much longer I can stand working for these idiots and
their brothers’ mothers’ sisters’ cousin,” he wrote me recently, “They
have acres of armored air conditioned trucks but won’t pay to fix the
alternators, so the drivers must use the worst of the equipment…no
armor, no air conditioning…You know the heat here, now add the heat of
an engine to that cab and throw in a few rockets, mortars, and IED’s
[roadside bombs] and it makes for a very bad day. I’m trying to expose
the corruption of the Third Country National contractors by finding them
a forum to send the truth. Prisoners, slaves, concubines. My life may be
a contradiction, but I will not compromise with evil. The enemy is
inside the wire.”

Wars for empire don’t change…and Iraq is the perfect example. Invading
armies using slave labor (foreign in this case due to their deep
distrust of Iraqis), taking advantage of those who lack privilege, the
poor, minorities, to do the dirty work while the top 1% make more money
than ever before.

And the pirates behind the US policy-making in Iraq have chosen, perhaps
to their chagrin at this point, to disregard some of the latest history
from a past occupation of Iraq.

During the previous British occupation of Iraq, the resistance began in
Fallujah. As a response the British shelled half of that city to the
ground, much like the US military did recently as part of their failed
policy. (US soldiers are now dying in and near Fallujah again.)

It was said that if the British left Iraq civil war would ignite. Just
as we are hearing today, even though state-sponsored civil war is in
full swing, thanks to the occupiers.

The rule of the British Empire over Iraq went on for three decades
before the Brits withdrew. Every year of that time found an uprising
against the occupiers…and now less than three years into the failed US
occupation, lesser uprisings occur daily.

Attacks on US forces in Iraq are now back up over 70 per day…we’ll cross
the 2,000 dead mark before too much longer, and things are about to get
much, much worse. As Iraqis continue to say, “Today is better than
tomorrow.” The same goes for US troops there.

There is a reason why a relatively recent Army survey found that 54% of
all soldiers in Iraq reported either “low” or “very low” morale.

There is also a reason why, again according to the Army, that 30% of all
soldiers returning from Iraq develop mental health problems 3-4 months
after their return.

And there is a reason why soldiers like Nicolas Prubyla come home and
join organizations like Iraq Veterans Against the War.

“Up until five days ago, I had large amounts of blood in my stool,” he
told me recently, “I’ve felt tired all the time, I have had loss of
hair…loss of the feeling in my right arm…I’m battling this stuff.”

What he is battling is exposure to uranium munitions in Iraq. He is
battling radiation sickness as the result of the most recent nuclear war
waged by the United States of America. There is a reason why over 11,000
veterans from the ’91 Gulf War are dead today, and over 250,000 others
are on medical disability. That reason (hundreds and hundreds of tons of
uranium munitions dropped on Iraq) is the same thing Prubyla is battling
today.

“As the years go on this is going to effect a hell of a lot more people
than we think…radioactive dust and the clouds of smoke and dust from
firing the DU [depleted uranium] is getting to us now,” he said, “And I
know I’m not the only person in my unit-my boss got diagnosed with
cancer, one of my other buddies who is 23 years-old is getting
rashes….every time I do more research on DU-I’m seeing that I have all
the side effects.”

Prubyla has realized what more and more veterans understand…that the
powers that be in our military plutocracy (also known as the US
government) could care less for their well being. One of the shadow
members of the current plutocracy who is also an exalted
neo-conservative, Henry Kissinger, has referred to military men as
“dumb, stupid animals to be used” as pawns for foreign policy.

People like Prubyla get this; they have had enough, and are now doing
something about it.

Meanwhile in the Crawford “Green Zone,” Mr. Bush chooses to ignore the
resistance movement that is standing outside his fence. But that is
alright, because the hundreds of people there now protesting represent
tens (if not hundreds) of millions across the country who, like the
Iraqi resistance, are not going to go away.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:34
I'm not a republican.

But considering the death rate is next to nil, this Iraq thing is a tidy little affair.

The media magnifies every death in iraq so people can sit in their fucking suburban homes and let their bleeding hearts cry out for justice!

Truth is, nobody is starving in America. Shit, every home in the ghetto has a fucking color tv.

You people have it so good. When you grow up you should realize that.

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 21:37
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 02:52 PM
I'm not a republican.

But considering the death rate is next to nil, this Iraq thing is a tidy little affair.

The media magnifies every death in iraq so people can sit in their fucking suburban homes and let their bleeding hearts cry out for justice!

Truth is, nobody is starving in America. Shit, every home in the ghetto has a fucking color tv.

You people have it so good. When you grow up you should realize that.
:lol: :lol: :lol: And you know how old we all are? You must live within the "belly of the beast", noone gives a shit which political "party" you are aligned with.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:39
I am guessing that most of the people here are around 18-25.

Am I wrong?

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 21:41
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 02:57 PM
I am guessing that most of the people here are around 18-25.

Am I wrong?
Well, how old are you? i am in my 40's :D

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:41
btw, nice job side stepping the stats on the death rate in iraq

the way the left propaganda works, you'd think 50% of our personnel over there were getting killed.

bollocks.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:42
Originally posted by Commie Girl+Aug 27 2005, 08:59 PM--> (Commie Girl @ Aug 27 2005, 08:59 PM)
Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 02:57 PM
I am guessing that most of the people here are around 18-25.

Am I wrong?
Well, how old are you? i am in my 40's :D [/b]
what the hell are you doing hanging out here with a bunch of clueless commies?

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 21:45
Originally posted by Kamikaze Gangbang+Aug 27 2005, 03:00 PM--> (Kamikaze Gangbang @ Aug 27 2005, 03:00 PM)
Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 27 2005, 08:59 PM

Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 02:57 PM
I am guessing that most of the people here are around 18-25.

Am I wrong?
Well, how old are you? i am in my 40's :D
what the hell are you doing hanging out here with a bunch of clueless commies? [/b]
:lol: What the hell are you doing hanging out on a Leftist site? You dont seem willing to learn anything.

Arent you clueless when you say there has never been a successful communist country, so maybe you should first learn the definition of communism!

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:48
Originally posted by Commie Girl+Aug 27 2005, 09:03 PM--> (Commie Girl @ Aug 27 2005, 09:03 PM)
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 27 2005, 08:59 PM

Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 02:57 PM
I am guessing that most of the people here are around 18-25.

Am I wrong?
Well, how old are you? i am in my 40's :D
what the hell are you doing hanging out here with a bunch of clueless commies?
:lol: What the hell are you doing hanging out on a Leftist site? You dont seem willing to learn anything.

Arent you clueless when you say there has never been a successful communist country, so maybe you should first learn the definition of communism! [/b]
I'm here to spread the truth and counter this idiotic bullshit.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 21:50
btw, commie girl, aren't you a little, well, "seasoned" to be calling yourself "Commie Girl?"

:D

also, you tell me what the definition of communism is.

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 22:05
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 03:08 PM
btw, commie girl, aren't you a little, well, "seasoned" to be calling yourself "Commie Girl?"

:D

also, you tell me what the definition of communism is.
:lol: Girl=Female

A simple definition is a classless, stateless, moneyless society.

If you can understand an indepth definition, read this definition. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=26804)

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 22:08
What would happen? Would it be on a barter system?

Would people have to blow people to get things?

It sounds like Indian tribe or caveman shit!

:D

Commie Girl
27th August 2005, 22:12
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 03:26 PM
What would happen? Would it be on a barter system?

Would people have to blow people to get things?

It sounds like Indian tribe or caveman shit!

:D
;) Take a breath, then read the definition I linked for you.

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 22:15
I don't need to read it. I have researched political systems extensively utilizing primary source documents.

I want you to tell me how it works.

ÑóẊîöʼn
27th August 2005, 22:17
Too fucking lazy to click a link then?

Kamikaze Gangbang
27th August 2005, 22:23
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:35 PM
Too fucking lazy to click a link then?
yep. i lazed my way through my history degrees too.

Ownthink
27th August 2005, 22:39
Originally posted by Kamikaze Gangbang+Aug 27 2005, 05:41 PM--> (Kamikaze Gangbang @ Aug 27 2005, 05:41 PM)
[email protected] 27 2005, 09:35 PM
Too fucking lazy to click a link then?
yep. i lazed my way through my history degrees too. [/b]
Bahah, a degree doesn't make you shit. After all, look how fucking dumb you are.

Insomniac
27th August 2005, 22:56
Can someone restrict these two, Kamakazi and Peters to OI!

Ownthink
27th August 2005, 23:12
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 06:14 PM
Can someone restrict these two, Kamakazi and Peters to OI!
Please, along with "Comrade Muhammad". They've been doing nothing but trolling. Hell, I even found General Peters ona troll website...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Gener...G=Google+Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=General+Peters&btnG=Google+Search)

ECCF
28th August 2005, 10:28
Well obviously these two new posters are kicking your left wing, skirt wearing, limp wristed asses.
You fucking tards preach revolution but in real life you wouldn't even know how to HOLD a firearm. :D
I'm a regular at your World Bank protests in DC (USFPS) and you *****es put 5000 people in the street who preach you mean to take over the world only to be scattered like cockroaches at the sight of 2, TWO, Park Police horses bearing down on you.
Get the fuck out if you don't like it here.

PS......On the mantle of my fireplace are a machete and a Walther PPK, both of which I liberated from dead Cuban ASSHOLES in 1983 on an island called Grenada,
lol....... :D

Moonfire
28th August 2005, 16:25
Originally posted by Kamikaze [email protected] 27 2005, 08:52 PM
I'm not a republican.

But considering the death rate is next to nil, this Iraq thing is a tidy little affair.

The media magnifies every death in iraq so people can sit in their fucking suburban homes and let their bleeding hearts cry out for justice!

Truth is, nobody is starving in America. Shit, every home in the ghetto has a fucking color tv.

You people have it so good. When you grow up you should realize that.
KamiKaze

---But considering the death rate is next to nil, this Iraq thing is a tidy little affair.

The media magnifies every death in iraq so people can sit in their fucking suburban homes and let their bleeding hearts cry out for justice!---

Tell that to the families that lost a love one. Better yet, send somebody close to you over there, when they come home in a coffin, see how much of a tidy little affair it is.

ONE DEATH is still TOO MANY.

Commie Rat
29th August 2005, 11:43
haahahahaha


How many will return home you ask?

Hmmm, considering the death rate of our troops is like .04% I'd say 1,494 of them.

that is 6 people, that is your mother, your father, your borther, your sister, your grandmother and you grandfather, all dead so can feel safe at night knowing that those nasty taliban arnt going to scare you in the night,

Commandante_Ant
29th August 2005, 13:27
Idiots. So blinkered by the lights of capitalism that they cant see the truth...that America is the single worst murderer in the world. How many innocents have America killed, be it in war or through their aggressive policies?