che in africa

[liljahraschild]

hey im a rasta and so you know we love anything that gatta do with freedom of any people and africa....

so can any1 take the time to tell me what wrok did he do in africa and what was it like in them places b4 and after him??

thanks... Jah Ras Tafari Bless!!!!

[Jae iLL]

Well, after the Cuban Revolution, Che wanted to export this Revolution to the rest of the world; however, he didn't know where to start. Eventually he picked the Congo. Che brought a long a small group of Cubans as well to help the Congolese rebels. However, these rebels were very undisciplined and had poor leadership. Also, the rebels believed in witchcraft and thought that they were bulletproof which made matters worse. Also, many Tutsis fled Rwanda and fought alongside the Congolese in hopes to bring revolution to Rwanda; however, the two groups did not get along. The Cubans also developed ill feelings towards their African comrades which led to very low morale within the rebels. Basically, the revolutionary attempt was a failure and Che, along with the Cubans, fled the Congo.

I'm sure somebody could offer a little more detail to the fight in the Congo as well as some historical background at the time, because I'm a little lacking in my knowledge.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Che write a book on his attempted revolution in the Congo. If he did, that would be a good place to find out about his African travels.

[Hiero]

He wanted to help Lumumba set up the government in the Democractic Republic of Congo. I think once he got to Africa Lumumba had already been assassinated.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2005, 06:33 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Che write a book on his attempted revolution in the Congo. If he did, that would be a good place to find out about his African travels.
Yeah, it's similar to the Bolivian Diary. I think the title of the English-language version is "Che's African Dream." In Spanish, "Pasajes de la Guerra Revolucionario: Congo".

That covers Che's experiences inside Congo specifically, where he and a number of Cubans were attempting to help Congolese rebels, supporters of the overthrown Lumumba government, fight against the pro-imperialist dictatorship and its white (mostly South African) mercenaries.

He also visited a number of other countries as a representative of the Cuban government, among other things making contacts with the independence movements in Guinea-Bissau and Angola, which received Cuban aid over following decades.

The best book giving the whole picture on this is "Conflicting Missions" by Piero Gliejeses.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

hey im a rasta and so you know we love anything that gatta do with freedom of any people and africa....

so can any1 take the time to tell me what wrok did he do in africa and what was it like in them places b4 and after him??

thanks... Jah Ras Tafari Bless!!!!

Haile Selassie was a imperialist backed dictator and so was an enemy of Che, all communists, and the Ethiopian people. Che, like all communists, was also an atheist.

[Abstrakt]

This is where it get's tricky. There has always been something....I don't know, maybe, missing with Selassie. CompaneroDeLibertad, please tell me what you know.

[Commandante_Ant]

As far as i knew, Lumumba drowned when he fell overboard. Although there were suspicions in the Cuban camp that his drowning wasnt accidental...was it ever proven that he had been murdered?

[Hampton]

There is lots of things that point to the fact that Patrice Lumumba was shot along with two of his former ministers in 1961.


Haile Selassie was a imperialist backed dictator and so was an enemy of Che, all communists, and the Ethiopian people. Che, like all communists, was also an atheist.

Please do not go off on this direction...that was not his question. If you feel the need to express opinons about Selassie start another topic.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2005, 07:30 AM
There is lots of things that point to the fact that Patrice Lumumba was shot along with two of his former ministers in 1961.

Who killed Lumumba? (http://www.africawithin.com/lumumba/who_killed_lumumba.htm)
The Belgians demanded a more decisive ending - they wanted Lumumba delivered into the hands of his most sworn enemy, President Tschombe of Katanga. On January 15th 1961, the Belgian Minister for African Affairs wrote to his apparatchiks in Elizabthville instructing them to inform Tschombe that he must accept Lumumba without delay. It was in effect a death warrant. After a moment's hesitation Tschombe agreed.

Lumumba was beaten again on the flight to Elizabethville on January 17th. He was seized by Katangese soldiers commanded by Belgians and driven to Villa Brouwe. He was guarded and brutalized still further by both Belgian and Katangese troops while President Tschombe and his cabinet decided what to do with him.

That same night it is said Lumumba was bundled into another convoy that headed into the bush. It drew up beside a large tree. Three firing squads had been assembled, commanded by a Belgian. Another Belgian had overall command of the execution site. Lumumba and two other comrades from the government were lined up against a large tree. President Tschombe and two other ministers were present for the executions, which took place one at a time.

The following day Katang'as interior minister called a senior Belgian policeman to his office with orders to conceal the killings. "He said 'You destroy them, you make them disappear. How you do it doesn't interest me," says Gerard Soerte. Soete and a companion exhumed the bodies from shallow graves, hacked them into pieces and dissolved them in acid from the Belgian-run mines nearby.

All this was definitively documented in a book called "The Assassination of Lumumba" by Ludo DeWitte. A Belgian parliamentary inquiry admitted some responsibility of Blegian officials.

(Belgium was the former colonial power in newly independent Congo, and the puppetmaster of Tshombe's government in Katanga.)