I deplore Hip Hop

[communist mercy]

Artist: JENNIFER LOPEZ
Album: This Is Me...Then
Song: Jenny From The Block



Children grow and women producing
Men go working
Some go stealing
Everyone's got to make a living

L O X
J. Lo
We off the block this year
Went from a little to a lot this year
Everybody mad at the rocks that I wear
I know where I'm goin' and I know where I'm from
You hear LOX in your ear
Yea, we're at the airport out decline from the block
Where everybody air-forced-out
With a new white Tee, you fresh
Nothin' phony with us, make the money, get the mansion, bring the homies with us

Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)

>From In Living Color and movie scripts
To On the 6 to J. Lo to this headline clips
I stayed grounded as the amounts roll in
I'm real, I thought I told you
I really been on Oprah
That's just me
Nothin phony, don't hate on me
What you get is what you see

Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)

I'm down to earth like this
Rockin this business
I've grown up so much
I'm in control and loving it
Rumors got me laughing, kid
Love my life and my public
Put God first
Then can't forget to stay real
To me it's like breathing

Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)

It take hard work to cash checks
So don't be fooled by the rocks that I got, now assets
You get back what you put out
Even if you take the good route
Can't count the hood out
After a while, you know who to blink with
Just keep it real with the ones came in with
Best thing to do is stay low, LOX and J.Lo
Act like they don't, but they know

Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)
Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got
I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block
Used to have a little, now I have a lot
No matter where I go, I know where I came from (from the Bronx!)

[Redmau5]

You'd have to be a right asshole if you'd consider Jennifer Lopez as "hip-hop". She's a pop singer, who occasionally gets rappers to guest feature in songs. But that doesn't mean she's a hip-hop artist.

Korn have songs with both Ice Cube and Nas. By your logic that would make Korn hip-hop artists as well.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 01:49 PM
You'd have to be a right asshole if you'd consider Jennifer Lopez as "hip-hop". She's a pop singer, who occasionally gets rappers to guest feature in songs. But that doesn't mean she's a hip-hop artist.

Korn have songs with both Ice Cube and Nas. By your logic that would make Korn hip-hop artists as well.
She still sucks ass.

[Redmau5]

I don't give a fuck, she's still not a hip-hop artist.

[Anti-establishment]

I deplore people who consider J.Lo Hip Hop, and people who deplore real Hip Hop are usually just long haired lice infected losers.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Hip-Hop has changed a lot since the days of the Sugar Hill Gang back in '78. It used to be about having fun. It melded the elements of street culture at the time. The sound systems (not unlike the sound systems of Jamaica in the '60s), the deejaying, the rapping, the grafitti art (and I mean art) and the breakdancing all went together to create a culture and some damn good music. There's still some good stuff around.

But, like everything that becomes popular, money crept in and the bling bling attitude became pre-eminent and it became cool to talk about *****es and hoes (unfortunately). J-Lo does not represent hip-hop. She's pop with a hip-hop spin.

You should listen to The Message and White Lines by Grandmaster Flash from the early eighties. Also Public Enemy are good for a political message.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Anti-[email protected] 23 2005, 10:55 AM
I deplore people who consider J.Lo Hip Hop, and people who deplore real Hip Hop are usually just long haired lice infected losers.
Ain't that the fuckin' truth.

[novemba]

Originally posted by Sir Aunty Christ+Aug 23 2005, 12:56 PM--> (Sir Aunty Christ @ Aug 23 2005, 12:56 PM) Hip-Hop has changed a lot since the days of the Sugar Hill Gang back in '78. [/b]
Good post except for that ^^^.

The sugarhill gang was comprised of a bunch of middle class kids stealin lyrics from the real MC's at block parties.


Wikipedia
In addition, Grandmaster Caz from the Cold Crush Brothers claims that Sugarhill Gang member Big Bank Hank used his rhymes on Rapper's Delight. This claim is attributed to the lyrics "I'm the C-A-S-AN the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y," used by Big Bank Hank in the song. (At the time Grandmaster Caz regularly referred to himself as "Casanova Fly.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugarhill_Gang

[Hampton]

I deplore people who consider J.Lo Hip Hop, and people who deplore real Hip Hop are usually just long haired lice infected losers.

I would also agree with this.

Sugar Hill Gang was a group made up for the sole purpose of putting a song on record and trying to get money off of it. It wasn't like that before them, most rap artists just put out songs and if it made some money fine, if not, no matter. And they did take lyrics from Cold Crush which is a joke as well seeing as they didn't even get any money that was made from the record.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

You'd have to be a right asshole if you'd consider Jennifer Lopez as "hip-hop".

Indeed.

[Ownthink]

Bahah, long haired lice infected losers? Nice way to generalize and stereotype you moron. Some people just hate the whole attitude that comes with today's hip hop. If you're talking about REAL hip-hop (Grand Master Flash, Run DMC, Public Enemy and the like), then I fucking love it. It has a much better feel and attitude to it than 50 Cent or any other dumbass "rap artist" today.

[The Grey Blur]

"I deplore Hip Hop, Esecially Jennifer Lopez"

I laughed when I saw this because I think you are just trying to annoy or insult people who like hip-hop. J-Lo is a pop/R&B singer who occasionally gets rappers to guest on her songs.


Hip-Hop has changed a lot since the days of the Sugar Hill Gang back in '78. It used to be about having fun. It melded the elements of street culture at the time. The sound systems (not unlike the sound systems of Jamaica in the '60s), the deejaying, the rapping, the grafitti art (and I mean art) and the breakdancing all went together to create a culture and some damn good music. There's still some good stuff around.

Did you fucking look this shit up of the 'The Source' website? I can't really explain why I detested this post. I think it's your sort of superior attitude. Hip-hop has changed from the days of the Sugarhill Gang, of course; it's gown and evolved like every other genre of music.

"It used to be about having fun" What are you trying to say here, you weren't there in the Bronx when Kool Herc was rockin' so don't fuckin' act like a prick. Also this conflicts with

"You should listen to The Message and White Lines by Grandmaster Flash from the early eighties. Also Public Enemy are good for a political message."

How can it have been 'about having fun' if Public Enemy were talking about revolution and fighting the power? Also, you're completely fucked up about Grandmaster Flash and 'White Lines'; Melle Mel did the entire song, the record label simply put Grandmaster Flash's name on it to sell more copies plus Grandmaster Flash was actually addicted to cocaine and it isn't a 'political' message, it's about telling kids not to snort cocaine.

Then you say

"But, like everything that becomes popular, money crept in and the bling bling attitude became pre-eminent and it became cool to talk about *****es and hoes (unfortunately). J-Lo does not represent hip-hop. She's pop with a hip-hop spin."

!!!!!!!Completely wrong, money did not 'creep in' it was there right from DJs and MCs wearin loads of jewellry and the third verse from 'Rapper's Delight' which glorified everything material. Plus, you talk about how it 'became cool to talk about *****es and hoes'

;1) From the verse in 'Rapper's Delight' (again) that talks about takin' your girl or her friend to the Holidae Inn, rap has often either objectified and demeaned women, but

2)They never 'talked aout *****es and hoes' they objectified women and talked about 'fucking *****es' but they never sat there in the studio recording themselves talking about *****es and hoes, it was usually in the context of a song. I'm not trying to justify or say it's right to refer to women as '*****es and hoes' I'm just saying it's not simply as black & white as you think it is.

3)Many mature rapers are unafraid of showing their affection for women (although admittedly it usually is their mothers) such as 2Pac's 'Dear Mama', Nas' Dance' and Klashnekoff's 'Black Rose'.

4)What genre hasn't objectified or demeaned women? Rock is filled with tracks about rabid groupies and sleazy women. The same goes for country and any other genre you can think of.

So what you're saying is rap should never have changed ,never evolved from the backslappin', friendly day's of the 70's Bronx (which actually weren't quite as idealistic as you like to believe) and never produced classic albums such as 'Illmatic'? or the 'Chronic'? or 'Me Aainst The World'? or 'Ready 2 Die'? or 'Stillmatic'? or 'The Revolutionary Volumes'? or 'College Dropout'? or 'Doggystyle'? or 'Black Star'? or 'Reasonable Doubt'? or 'God's Son'? or 'the Black Album'? or....there are too many classic albums to name. Also, think about how much rap has influenced other forms of music? (Rage Against The Machine for one wouldn't have gotten out of De La Rocha's garage)

Finally, we come to the best quote I've heard in a long time

"There's still some good stuff around"

That's like saying the Pope's a Catholic !- Little Brother, Nas, Kanye West, Black Star, De La Soul, Dead Prez, Immortal Technique,Game, Cormega, KRS-ONE, Mobb Deep, Common, GZA, Wu-Tang, Eminem (if he gets his act together...and burns all copies of 'Encore'), Klashnekoff, AZ, Scarface - all brilliant rappers, all still recording.

That's my rant done, let that be a lesson - don't act like a punk and post stupid shit about rap up cuz I am the fucking hip-hop info ninja ( :ph34r: ) & I'll hunt your weak-ass post down and obliter-fuckin-ate it. OK? --phew--

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:04 PM
Bahah, long haired lice infected losers? Nice way to generalize and stereotype you moron. Some people just hate the whole attitude that comes with today's hip hop. If you're talking about REAL hip-hop (Grand Master Flash, Run DMC, Public Enemy and the like), then I fucking love it. It has a much better feel and attitude to it than 50 Cent or any other dumbass "rap artist" today.
Read my earlier post and apply it to yourself, also check out the list of good rappers today, and educate yo' ass.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Anti-[email protected] 23 2005, 06:55 PM
I deplore people who consider J.Lo Hip Hop, and people who deplore real Hip Hop are usually just long haired lice infected losers.
Are you suggesting that people with long hair have lice, or that people who listen to rock music and have long hair have lice?

You steriotyping bastards are all the SAME... (J/K)

[OleMarxco]

This hatred against rap is pre'y a lil'dumbfounded an'with'rout ground in reality ;)
It, as an music-form, is incredible flexible...if executed well. But still......

'Course I understand the reason why J-Lo's hated, the hatred'gainst "bling-bling"-'tudes, ainn'a why "gangster-rap's" so villainized...but, still,
the text here reflect's 'notha' kind of J-Lo's I've no'ra thought'o befho'.
That she could 'care' this much. Well, atleast to sing of it in a goddamn
R'n'B-text. But how long is this 'celebrity' willin' to stretch it, before she's
turned back o're carpet, of the people at "Bronx" which she feel's so connected to :P

[novemba]

Fuck Game and Fuck Eminem.

Underground is where its at.

Go watch style wars.

[Clarksist]

I deplore people who consider J.Lo Hip Hop, and people who deplore real Hip Hop are usually just long haired lice infected losers.


I suppose you mean metalheads, and what not.

I love metal, the reason is the absolutely amazing music and the vocals... basically everything fits for me.

The thing I hate about hip-hop, is that if you've heard one song... you've heard them all. I'm just people think that about the music I listen to, but serious you can only arrange a drum machine in so many 4/4 arrangements.

Sometimes I like the cadence of the lyrics... but usually the only thing non-rap fans hear is the poppy stuff like 50 Cent, Black Eyed Peas, etc.

For me its all metal, but I don't deplore rap. I just can't stand it. ^_^

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

The thing I hate about hip-hop, is that if you've heard one song... you've heard them all. I'm just people think that about the music I listen to, but serious you can only arrange a drum machine in so many 4/4 arrangements.

Yeah you're right.. all songs are about drugs and "pimpin' hoes" :rolleyes:

wtf

[Clarksist]

Yeah you're right.. all songs are about drugs and "pimpin' hoes"


Well, most of the popular stuff is, I don't know about the other stuff.

But what I was really meaning was that the style of music. The drum machines and occasional synth loops just aren't as inventive and attention getting as I'd like them to be.

[The Grey Blur]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 09:35 PM
Fuck Game and Fuck Eminem.

Underground is where its at.

Go watch style wars.
OK, I'm Irish so I don't actually know 'Style Wars' is but I'm willing to guess you are attempting a 'put-down'.

Hmmmm, anyway I'm not sure you read my post correctly because if you did you would have realised I am the Hip-Hop ninja ( :ph34r: ) and I cut people's shitty posts up like ribbons.

So here I go....

"Fuck Game and Fuck Eminem" - I presume the point you are trying t make here is that Game and Eminem are bloated, commercialistic figureheads that encapsulate everything that is wrong with Hip-Hop (tell me if I read to much into that).

Now that we have some foundation to work on I shall put a counter-arguement forward;

1)Both Game and Eminem worked hard on the underground circuit for many years before coming to the attention of ,coincidentally the same man, Dr. Dre.

In fact Eminem was pracically a hobo when performing at the Rap Olympics in 1997 in L.A. Game followed the 50 Cent and Em way by blazing through the underground mixtape scene to gain attention.

2)Eminem made three excellent albums 'The Slim Shady LP', 'The Marshall Mathers LP' and 'The Eminem Show'

3)The Game came to prominence recently as a no-holds-barred-gangsta-rapper-that-also-has-brains in the long tradition of Nas, Jay-Z, Kurupt, 2Pac and others. He then released 'The Documentary' which to many hip-hoppers was the joint-best album of the year with Kanye West's 'College Dropout' and Little Brother's mixtape.

"The Underground is where it's at"

1)With a few notable exception's "It" hasn't been at the underground since the mid-90's and the indie rap explosion.

2)My second point is...

...name one rapper, not counting Immortal (who actually hates underground backpackers) MF Doom, Stimuli or Lyrics Born, who deserves the money and fame Game and Eminem have gained through hard work and skill you fuckin' bum! :angry:

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 09:56 PM

The thing I hate about hip-hop, is that if you've heard one song... you've heard them all. I'm just people think that about the music I listen to, but serious you can only arrange a drum machine in so many 4/4 arrangements.

Yeah you're right.. all songs are about drugs and "pimpin' hoes" :rolleyes:

wtf
And we get criticised for being "narrow-minded" about metal heads. Most metal just sounds like random noise.

I hate when people judge hip-hop on 50 fuckin' Cent.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

I don't know about the other stuff

Obviously.


But what I was really meaning was that the style of music. The drum machines and occasional synth loops just aren't as inventive and attention getting as I'd like them to be.

'occasional synth loops'?? What are you saying hip hop instrumentals are, solid programmed drums with an occasional key pressed? lol

90% of hip hop beats consist of multiple samples, layered, pitched, and cut, a bass line, and a 16 - 32 bar drum line composed of sampled live drums.

I think you're listening to 2 Live Crew or something.. lol

Download some Gravediggaz, Wu-Tang, Kool Keith, Dead Prez, etc.



Most metal just sounds like random noise.

That's mostly because that's what it is.


I hate when people judge hip-hop on 50 fuckin' Cent.

Yeah, especially since 50 cent is commercial. That's like me saying rock sucks because Third Eye Blind is corny.

[Clarksist]

Most metal just sounds like random noise.


I say the same thing about rap and I'm called "ignorant". :lol:


90% of hip hop beats consist of multiple samples, layered, pitched, and cut, a bass line, and a 16 - 32 bar drum line composed of sampled live drums.


http://beaterator.rockstargames.com/

I've made plenty complicated techno beats and what not in Logic and other programs. I just don't see how its considered to be very hard or precise.

See when working with computers, you can't make a wrong note unless you try.

[novemba]

Originally posted by RATM+--> (RATM)
OK, I'm Irish so I don't actually know 'Style Wars' is but I'm willing to guess you are attempting a 'put-down'.
[/b]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_Wars


RATM

I am the Hip-Hop ninja ( :ph34r: )


Let's settle this in true hip-hop fashion.

You claim to be the mothafuckin hip hop ninja,
when you need to go read up on some hip hop scripta,
defending commercial rappers like a fucking retard,
wanna be eminem, youre more like cheddar bob,
and yes i have a problem with those industry cats,
am I the only one who thinks 300 bars was whack?
and while im on the subject let me just say,
fuck nas, fuck jayz, fuck pac, and fuck dre,
cause to me hip hop isn't about makin cash,
id be more happy diggin through trash,
commercial mcs should still be askin tip, 'yo, can i flip?'
cause college drop-out was some motha fuckin trick shit,
and i dont care if he almost died,
he musta got brain damage talkin bout get em high,
glorifying drugs and a false messiah,
some one shut him up,
pass him the joint and get him a little higher,
cause for some reason i liked kanye better when he was just makin beats,
you dont know hip-hop cause its under the streets,
go listen to some percee p or shabaam shadeeq,
and turn off the radio cause its all fuckin weak...

like that son...

and yes mr 'hip hop ninja' i just took your honor,
might as well end you own life cause youre already a goner...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

We'll that was fun.

Some suggested listening (all of which deserve to get paid) for the 'Hip-Hop Ninja (Peace be upon him)

De La Soul, Common Sense, Blackstar, O.C., Pete Rock, Brand Nubian, Black Sheep, Poor Rightous(sp) Teachers, Dilated Peoples, Del the Funky Homosapien, Aesop Rock, Slug, cop you some DJ Premier mix tapes, Jeru the Damaja, Afu-Ra, MF Grimm, Jakki, Copywrite, Blueprint, and Talib Kweli

[Ownthink]

Calling Metal "random noise" just shows how much a fucking retard you are. Well, to some people rap is just "random beats" or "random talking".


Now do you see how dumb it is to call ANY form of popular music "random noise"?


Idiots.

[Phalanx]

I dig soul like Donny Hathaway and fusion (like Charlie Parker or Miles Davis). Not too big a fan of hip hop. But in case anyone is paying attention, go listen to the Meters, man!

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by Rage Against The [email protected] 23 2005, 08:40 PM


Hip-Hop has changed a lot since the days of the Sugar Hill Gang back in '78. It used to be about having fun. It melded the elements of street culture at the time. The sound systems (not unlike the sound systems of Jamaica in the '60s), the deejaying, the rapping, the grafitti art (and I mean art) and the breakdancing all went together to create a culture and some damn good music. There's still some good stuff around.

Did you fucking look this shit up of the 'The Source' website? I can't really explain why I detested this post. I think it's your sort of superior attitude. Hip-hop has changed from the days of the Sugarhill Gang, of course; it's gown and evolved like every other genre of music.
My post was actually a defence of hip-hop, a critical defence, but a defence nonetheless.

I never said that the earliest hip-hop was the best, and I certainly never said that money wasn't an issue prior to the '90s. All I was trying to say is that since it's become more popular - it's become more commercialised and therefore, in some cases we see in our charts, watered down to the point of it being total bilge.

I'm not the world's greatest expert on hip-hop of the last few years (I kinda turned away from it when the chart stuff became uninteresting - I was young (16-ish but still knew shit)) but I know that there is good stuff as you mentioned by Nas etc. And even some of the chart is bareable - Eminem, for example, can still turn out a good record when he wants to. But it's the same as with guitar music, Joe Bloggs only cares for what he hears on the radio and that's usually chart drivel. So if the record companies think Nelly's latest crap will sell, that's what they'll promote and that's what'll be popular.


How can it have been 'about having fun' if Public Enemy were talking about revolution and fighting the power?

This is complete bullshit if you don't mind me saying. Rapper's Delight was released in 1978, Fight the Power was released in 1989. Of course hip-hop evolved in these 11 years. And Public Enemy were using the medium to put across their message. Public Enemy kind of created a revolution within hip-hop. Unfortunately so did Puff Daddy.


Also, you're completely fucked up about Grandmaster Flash and 'White Lines'; Melle Mel did the entire song, the record label simply put Grandmaster Flash's name on it to sell more copies plus Grandmaster Flash was actually addicted to cocaine and it isn't a 'political' message, it's about telling kids not to snort cocaine.

Okay, I did not know that about Grandmaster Flash's name being put on the record so it would sell more.

Why can't an anti-cocaine message be political? If there are fewer cocaine addicts, chances are there'll be less crime. Politics doesn't always have to be about overthrowing the government.


I think it's your sort of superior attitude.

I don't think I do have a superior attitude, although maybe I can come across like that sometimes. I just feel the need to offer my opinion on subjects I know a bit about.

[The Grey Blur]

I recognize that almost every rapper on that list is quality, my point stands about how the underground has waned since it's mid-90's hey-day. Sadly, you pissed me off so the ninja's ghost strikes back with....

'The Zakeover'

COMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Jim Morrisson

Whoa!!

'Hip-hop ninja runnin' this rap shit
My raps, is, runnin' this rap shit
Arguements is runnin' this rap shit
Encore was a mistake, Em ain't past it
The Game is, runnin' this rap shit
Zackaria, is ruinin' this rap shit'

The Zakeover, the zack's over losa'
Hip-Hop ninja, me, beggar and choosa
Hey lil' zacky you ain't ready for (Style) wars
Hip-Hop ninja too smart for you bores
It's like bringin Zack to a gunfight, he's a pest
Your a mess in the line of fire of fire,man you ain't blessed
Your bringin' Zack 2 Men, How's Zack gon' win?
This is grown-rap B.I, get you rolled in a beehive (?)
Beatch - your cock ain't long enough, sonny
Your penis ain't strong enough, dunny
Hip-Hop ninja is the navy, betta yet the commies
Stalin'll eat ya babies, Mao'll rape ya mommies
We bring Zack to acting school, kill his drama
Uh yeah, we kill Zackaria wit' a mutha-fuckin' hamma
Don't let me do it to ya sonny cause I overdo it,
this shit is tight
So you won't confuse it with just another msgboard fight

'Hip-hop ninja runnin' this rap shit
My rhymes, is, runnin' this rap shit
Im killin' your ass easy, I'm runnin' this rap shit
Zackaria gets bullied is true shit, I can prove it
Mos & Talib is, runnin' this rap shit
Zackaria, is ruinin' this rap shit'

I don't care if your Zack Deep, I hold jiggas lyrics to fools
You little FUCK, I've got CD stacks bigga than you
When I was puttin' on weight back in 88',
You was called Sheena, I've got the pictures I seen ya
Then you dropped Zack's won, switched ya demeanour
Well - we don't believe you, you need more people
Hip-Hop Ninj, student of the Game, we passed the classes
Cuz nobody could read you Zack dude like we do
Don't let them ass you, it's painful, like poisoned stew (?)
Trust me on this one - I'll match you
Rhyme for spirit, rythm for soul
Take Afu-Ra's dick out your ass, it's right in the hole
No, you're not on my level, you got your Zake's crost
I cut you up (ninja-style) wit' my first post
Zakey-boy, you don't want it with Rage
Ask Sir Aunty, he don't want it with Rage - NOOOOOOO!!!!

'Hip-hop ninja runnin' this Che board,
Anti-establishment runnin' this Che board
Batman runnin' this Che board
Redstar runs this che board, offer your sword to tha lord
Hampton runnin' this Che board
Zackaria ruinin' this Che board'

Watch Out, We Run Rev-Left!!!

I know you missin' all the FAAAAAME!
But along with bein' called Aunty comes bout seventy shots to ya brain
Losa', you so LAAAAAME!
You the slag model for 'prevent AIDS'/tesco ads
Went from from anti-christ to bein taken out with the trash
Had a spark when you started now your just garbage
Fell from top ten posta to, not mentioned at all
to your Zakaria's 'I LUV UNDERGROUND MC DICK' verse betta than yours
matter of fact, you have the worst posts on the whole fuckin board
but I know - the (anti-)son don't shine, then Zack don't shine
That's why your - SHAAAAAAAME(ful)! - career come to a end
There's only so long fake rebels can pretend
Losa; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first decks on tour with Kool Herc
(Me, that's who!) Then I heard your post bout your parties in the Bronx
So yeah I quoted your phrase, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot thread
And you ain't get credit losa you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid Aunty, Revleft Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten hundred posts
I've been in it fifty - smarten up Baz
Four thread in ten years losa? I could divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them threads was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Pics of Sheena'
That's a one hot thread every hundred post average
And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Losa switch up your prose
Your shit is barfage, but you try and kick knowledge?
(Get the fuck outta here) You losas gon' learn to respect the Rage
Don't be the next contestant on that 'I deplore Hip-Hop page'
Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now

N.I.N.J.A, we runnin this rap shit
It's easy, we runnin this rap shit
Zack gets Bullied, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Make way, we run this rap shit
Scrapes & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Shiny teeth, we runnin this rap shit
"Watch out!! We run Rev Left" -> [KRS-One]

A wise man told me don't argue with losa crews
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who, or who is good
So stop with that n00bie shit, losa I'm grown
Please leave it alone - don't throw pebbles at the throne
Do not beat in that bush, that bush will destroy all y'all
I don't know why your Aunty Christ ain't forewarn you
Please, not Rage, he's, not for games
I'm not whack a minute, all that underground rappin and gimmicks
I will end it, all this scrappin be finished
You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep
Don't make me expose you to them folks that don't know you
Zackaria I know you well, I didn't mean to be cru-el
Twinklefoes you breakin my heart
You can't fuck with me - go play somewhere, I'm busy
And all you other cats throwin shots at Rage
You only get half a bar - fuck yo' home-page

:ph34r: Da ninja

lol, that was crazy :D :D :D

[C_Rasmussen]

Yeah well maybe if this shit mainstream hip-hop would take a backseat maybe the hip hop that is actually good would be respected more. Yeah I'm a metalhead but if I hear any NON BLING RAP that is actually good I'll go for it.

[guerillablack]

I hate surburbanites telling ME what hiphop is and isn't. HipHop isn't just positive rap, it isn't just bling bling, it isn't just sex. It's all of it. It's an expression of self.

Cuz on the real all underground shit ain't good. It makes me sick to my stomach, most them kids got no delivery and no flow. They can't ride the beat for shit.

[Paradox]

"You made it a hot line, I made it a hot thread"?!?/
For that wack ass line your ass should be dead/
"Shame, lame, brain" your skillz are mediocre,
Just like the Game's/
I'll be honest though, cuz tha first couple of times
I thought "Dream" was pretty tight/
But now it's played out an' ain't worth an "aiight"/
Commercial shit just don't fit tha bill/
An' sure Eminem gotz skill,
But he ain't got substance,
With tha exception of "Mosh"/
That song was ok/
But I'll take Black Market over slim any day/
An' "shiny teeth"? What tha fuck is that about?/
That shit musta slipped out/
Am I right?/
Cuz I don't think you'd bring wack lines like that to real rap fight- a battle/
Commerical catz get herded like cattle, right into their pens/
Tha day that happens is tha day bullshit comes to an end/
I split atoms an' wreck havoc/
Bullshit emcees, we won't have it/
Work on your vocab cuz there's more words than just "losa"/
Beggar an' choosa, you should be beggin' for help/
Cuz tha only one ruinin' rap is yourself/
An' no, I ain't an emcee, I just get ideas from time to time/
Kinda like now, how I'm pissin' all on your lines/
I'm like Dead Prez, you gettin' popped wit "Tha Pistol"/
I had it hidden, just like tha track, number 45/
Which just happens to be tha caliber that'll rip your insides/
Stick to historical facts, "Mr. Hip Hop Ninja"...
Cuz your rhymes are wack/

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:40 PM
I hate surburbanites telling ME what hiphop is and isn't. HipHop isn't just positive rap, it isn't just bling bling, it isn't just sex. It's all of it. It's an expression of self.

Cuz on the real all underground shit ain't good. It makes me sick to my stomach, most them kids got no delivery and no flow. They can't ride the beat for shit.
Yeah well maybe if they wouldn&#39;t talk about how much money they make, who they fuck, what they drive, the kind of blunt they smoke maybe this mainstream stuff would be respected <_<.

[Redmau5]

am I the only one who thinks 300 bars was whack?

Probably yeah.


cause for some reason i liked kanye better when he was just makin beats,

What, beats for rappers like Jigga ? But you said "fuck jayz". <_<


Calling Metal "random noise" just shows how much a fucking retard you are

:lol:

It is random noise, with shitty fuckin&#39; lyrics at that. Fuck you and your metal.


Well, to some people rap is just "random beats" or "random talking".

Yeah, if you haven&#39;t a clue about good musical taste.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:36 PM



Calling Metal "random noise" just shows how much a fucking retard you are

:lol:

It is random noise, with shitty fuckin&#39; lyrics at that. Fuck you and your metal.


Well, to some people rap is just "random beats" or "random talking".

Yeah, if you haven&#39;t a clue about good musical taste.
About metal, its not just "random noise" like you like to call it you stupid shit. The random noise you&#39;re talking about is SOME of the Norweigen (sp?) black metal. British and American metal bands are actually talented. More then I can say for that shit you call rap. I can respect some rap like the old school stuff. Actually I like some old school. Its just this new age trash that can go to Hell.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:36 PM

Calling Metal "random noise" just shows how much a fucking retard you are

:lol:

It is random noise, with shitty fuckin&#39; lyrics at that. Fuck you and your metal.


Well, to some people rap is just "random beats" or "random talking".

Yeah, if you haven&#39;t a clue about good musical taste.
To be fair, Ownthink has a point as do you Makaveli_05.

I saw a documentary the other night following the Nazi fuck Lemmy around on a Motorhead tour. I mean, what the fuck is the point of that music? And as for other metal. My ears bleed.

But then again some hip-hop is like yap-yap-yap. Unless you sit down to appreciate it it goes in one ear and out the other. Or if it&#39;s actually saying something.

[Hampton]

I don&#39;t think mainstream hip hop is that bad. The biggest complaint that I see on here that people have about hip hop is that it isn&#39;t revolutionary. Big deal. All music is not going to be. But a lot of rap is and people just don&#39;t realize it because they don&#39;t listen. Music about black youth getting money and moving out of the ghetto is revolutionary you just don&#39;t see that. Music made by poor black people is going to talk about them having nothing and then hopefully obtaining something. So they will talk about cars and women and a hundred diffrent other things, and as long as they don&#39;t disrespect women, I don&#39;t see a problem with that. The music would be come boring if there were 50 Immortal Techniques or Public Enemys.


Cuz on the real all underground shit ain&#39;t good. It makes me sick to my stomach, most them kids got no delivery and no flow. They can&#39;t ride the beat for shit.

I agree 100%.

[Anti-establishment]

A ***** commie wit an attitude named Zack
Steppin to RATM and me without a Mack?
Now what the fuck U dudes look like dissing a whole genre
Rock ain&#39;t made shit dope since Rage Against The Monster
All wanted to yap about Hip-Hop to R&#39;n&#39;B
On the dick of metal ever since it&#39;s 1st release
Your lease is up at the crib house - fake rebels get evicted
And videos wit white boys and long hair? That shit aint Wicked
Natural born Rebel? you a natural born fool
Look, read listen, don&#39;t have time for this, U jus aint cool
Ya&#39;ll nuttin but Hyprocrits
and i&#39;m filling out your death certificates
Shudd&#39;a repented Zack, cus u aint no soldier
Got some nerve, RATM killed u wit his version of Takeover
Use Higher Learning, don&#39;t take my words out of text
Went from young cappy to commie, dude what&#39;s next?
It&#39;ll take a nation of millions to hold A-E back
From hittin you wit a shotgun or maybe a G Pack, *****&#33;

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:45 PM
So they will talk about cars and women and a hundred diffrent other things, and as long as they don&#39;t disrespect women, I don&#39;t see a problem with that.
Yeah well they talk about "hos" and "*****es". Would you really consider that being respectful? I&#39;m not saying all of them but most do when they bring the bling into it.

[Redmau5]

Why should you care what they say about women ? You don&#39;t even trust girls.

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:02 PM
Why should you care what they say about women ? You don&#39;t even trust girls.
That dont mean that they don&#39;t deserve respect though. What I mean is even though I don&#39;t trust them I would still show the least bit of respect. Ya know?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Makaveli_05+Aug 24 2005, 12:31 AM--> (Makaveli_05 &#064; Aug 24 2005, 12:31 AM)
[email protected] 23 2005, 09:56 PM

The thing I hate about hip-hop, is that if you&#39;ve heard one song... you&#39;ve heard them all. I&#39;m just people think that about the music I listen to, but serious you can only arrange a drum machine in so many 4/4 arrangements.

Yeah you&#39;re right.. all songs are about drugs and "pimpin&#39; hoes" :rolleyes:

wtf
And we get criticised for being "narrow-minded" about metal heads. Most metal just sounds like random noise.

I hate when people judge hip-hop on 50 fuckin&#39; Cent. [/b]
Most metal just sounds like random noise.

Only to the tone deaf... which is probably why you listen to hip-hop. (J/K)

[guerillablack]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 05:45 PM
I don&#39;t think mainstream hip hop is that bad. The biggest complaint that I see on here that people have about hip hop is that it isn&#39;t revolutionary. Big deal. All music is not going to be. But a lot of rap is and people just don&#39;t realize it because they don&#39;t listen. Music about black youth getting money and moving out of the ghetto is revolutionary you just don&#39;t see that. Music made by poor black people is going to talk about them having nothing and then hopefully obtaining something. So they will talk about cars and women and a hundred diffrent other things, and as long as they don&#39;t disrespect women, I don&#39;t see a problem with that. The music would be come boring if there were 50 Immortal Techniques or Public Enemys.


Cuz on the real all underground shit ain&#39;t good. It makes me sick to my stomach, most them kids got no delivery and no flow. They can&#39;t ride the beat for shit.

I agree 100%.
I never thought it could happen, this rappin&#39; stuff
I was too used to packin&#39; gats and stuff
Now honies play me close like butter played toast
From the Mississippi down to the east coast
Condos in Queens, indo for weeks
Sold out seats to hear Biggie Smalls speak
Livin&#39; life without fear
Puttin&#39; 5 karats in my baby girl&#39;s ears
Lunches, brunches, interviews by the pool
Considered a fool &#39;cause I dropped out of high school
Stereotypes of a black male misunderstood
And it&#39;s still all good

Notorious BIG

Juicy is the answer to all your critiques about hiphop. And if you don&#39;t know...now you knowww

[bolshevik butcher]

I like some real hiphop. This is a stupid thread. Some hiphops good, if its stuff like dad prez, or nwa or public enemy. Fifty cents shit but he&#39;s like the hiphop equivelent of good charolette.

[novemba]

Beggar an&#39; choosa, you should be beggin&#39; for help/
Cuz tha only one ruinin&#39; rap is yourself/

aaaaaaahahahahha.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

This is the best thread ever. EVAAAAAAAAaar&#33;

ok um, kanye made some of my favorite beats &#39;sunshine&#39; mos def, &#39;get by&#39; talib kweli, all of common&#39;s new album...come on kanye was like the biggest producer in the game before Lil John...

and all that stuff about the real underground being whack, but some facts behind your words be for you start talkin smack, cause all i hear is talk of mcs that aint real, yall are trying to talk shit and spitting diarehha.

[novemba]

Originally posted by Anti&#045;[email protected] 24 2005, 12:51 PM
A ***** commie wit an attitude named Zack
Steppin to RATM and me without a Mack?
Now what the fuck U dudes look like dissing a whole genre
Rock ain&#39;t made shit dope since Rage Against The Monster
All wanted to yap about Hip-Hop to R&#39;n&#39;B
On the dick of metal ever since it&#39;s 1st release
Your lease is up at the crib house - fake rebels get evicted
And videos wit white boys and long hair? That shit aint Wicked
Natural born Rebel? you a natural born fool
Look, read listen, don&#39;t have time for this, U jus aint cool
Ya&#39;ll nuttin but Hyprocrits
and i&#39;m filling out your death certificates
Shudd&#39;a repented Zack, cus u aint no soldier
Got some nerve, RATM killed u wit his version of Takeover
Use Higher Learning, don&#39;t take my words out of text
Went from young cappy to commie, dude what&#39;s next?
It&#39;ll take a nation of millions to hold A-E back
From hittin you wit a shotgun or maybe a G Pack, *****&#33;
Yo A-E you can&#39;t even step to this,
and since when have you irish cats been in the rap business,
stick to growin potatoes, thats whatchu best at,
and after i spit that line, its gon take you 6 min to asses that,
cause I spit lines so complicated it takes the crowd 6 min to applaud,
might as well surrender now cause we all know youre a fraud,
and fuck hova, eminem and game, im the don,
ive seen better punch lines at a high school prom,
face the facts comrade, youre not ill,
and if you are,
my notepad is full of medicene,
plus my freestyles is ecederin/ectera-ing,(homophones you dont know nothin about them)
and you had to go and piss me off so,
ima revert it back and spit murder raps like im necro,
yo, I&#39;m like Stalin, I rule with an Iron Fist,
stab you in the bladder and watch you drown in piss&#33;

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:40 PM
I hate surburbanites telling ME what hiphop is and isn&#39;t. HipHop isn&#39;t just positive rap, it isn&#39;t just bling bling, it isn&#39;t just sex. It&#39;s all of it. It&#39;s an expression of self.

Cuz on the real all underground shit ain&#39;t good. It makes me sick to my stomach, most them kids got no delivery and no flow. They can&#39;t ride the beat for shit.
I agree with the exception of the underground comment. :P

I&#39;m perfectly satisfied with the underground hip hop I&#39;ve heard lateley.

[The Grey Blur]

Paradox it was a shitty joke cover of Takeover by Jay-Z but I had to modify some lines, &#39;Chris & Neef&#39; to &#39;teeth&#39; etc. I guess it just goes to show how much you know about rap if you can&#39;t recognize one of the biggest diss tracks ever.

I didn&#39;t say the underground was whack, and it&#39;s starting to piss me off, read the original post.

P.S - Paradox that was extremely shit lyrics and I said The Games album was good, not Dreams alone.

[Paradox]

I had to modify some lines, &#39;Chris & Neef&#39; to &#39;teeth&#39; etc. I guess it just goes to show how much you know about rap if you can&#39;t recognize one of the biggest diss tracks ever.

*yawn* It was still wack.


I didn&#39;t say the underground was whack, and it&#39;s starting to piss me off, read the original post.

I know you didn&#39;t say that, and I&#39;m not saying you did. I was dissin&#39; commercial rap on purpose. Not to say there aren&#39;t people I like who are commercial. Nas is one of them. I also like DMX, though his first 2 albums were obviously much much better than anything afterwards. His rhymes are pretty basic, but I like more because of the substance in his music, he doesn&#39;t just talk about bullshit, he&#39;s got good songs with meaning to them.


P.S - Paradox that was extremely shit lyrics

At least I came original and didn&#39;t rip off some diss track by someone else. And besides, did you not check this line?:


An&#39; no, I ain&#39;t an emcee, I just get ideas from time to time/
Kinda like now, how I&#39;m pissin&#39; all on your lines/



I said The Games album was good, not Dreams alone.

Off the singles, he seems medicore to me. His rhymes are pretty basic, so it&#39;s not something that made me want to go buy his album. "Hate It Or Love It" was alright, though I liked the beat more than the lyrics. That song and "Dream" had meaning, and I respect that, but his rhymes were average. I&#39;d listen to DMX before I&#39;d listen to the Game.

Cop Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, Jean Grae, The Perceptionists, Black Market Militia, Sabac, Non-Phixion, Fugees, Killarmy. Commercial: Nas, DMX (1st two albums), Wu Tang, Raekwon the Chef (Only Built For Cuban Linx). Add what you want...

[Anti-establishment]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 10:21 PM

Yo A-E you can&#39;t even step to this,
and since when have you irish cats been in the rap business,
stick to growin potatoes, thats whatchu best at,
and after i spit that line, its gon take you 6 min to asses that,
cause I spit lines so complicated it takes the crowd 6 min to applaud,
might as well surrender now cause we all know youre a fraud,
and fuck hova, eminem and game, im the don,
ive seen better punch lines at a high school prom,
face the facts comrade, youre not ill,
and if you are,
my notepad is full of medicene,
plus my freestyles is ecederin/ectera-ing,(homophones you dont know nothin about them)
and you had to go and piss me off so,
ima revert it back and spit murder raps like im necro,
yo, I&#39;m like Stalin, I rule with an Iron Fist,
stab you in the bladder and watch you drown in piss&#33;
Step to you? I wouldn&#39;t go within ten feet of you
Prolly smell like a 6 month old beef stew
but enuff of the childish shit, its old
Like when rap used to struggle to make it to Gold
Show me one of these complicated lines u spit Zack
I&#39;d expect better from a ten year old addicted to crack
An the only reason it takes your crowd 6 minutes to react,
Is cuz you perform in front of handicapps wit cataracts
And dont lie you aint never seen a High School Prom,
You were probably stuck home alone wit ur PJ&#39;s on (awwww)
Face The Facts comrade, you anything but ill
Use sum of your notepad Medicine cuz AIDS can kill
Yo, your like Stalin? the dude with crap speeches?
and no friends, just surrounded by power hungry leeches?
Yeah u right, that is sumthin like you,
An that name (Zack) makes you sound like a Jew,
So I&#39;ll be Hitler, and prepare for the verbal Holocaust
Face it boy, you aint as hot as u think, you lost.

[Phalanx]

such ignorant/stupid lyrics.

[Anti-establishment]

Originally posted by Chinghis [email protected] 25 2005, 06:02 PM
such ignorant/stupid lyrics.
And....

Rap isnt about holding your tongue.

[novemba]

Originally posted by Anti&#045;[email protected] 25 2005, 12:55 PM
Step to you? I wouldn&#39;t go within ten feet of you
Prolly smell like a 6 month old beef stew
but enuff of the childish shit, its old
Like when rap used to struggle to make it to Gold
Show me one of these complicated lines u spit Zack
I&#39;d expect better from a ten year old addicted to crack
An the only reason it takes your crowd 6 minutes to react,
Is cuz you perform in front of handicapps wit cataracts
And dont lie you aint never seen a High School Prom,
You were probably stuck home alone wit ur PJ&#39;s on (awwww)
Face The Facts comrade, you anything but ill
Use sum of your notepad Medicine cuz AIDS can kill
Yo, your like Stalin? the dude with crap speeches?
and no friends, just surrounded by power hungry leeches?
Yeah u right, that is sumthin like you,
An that name (Zack) makes you sound like a Jew,
So I&#39;ll be Hitler, and prepare for the verbal Holocaust
Face it boy, you aint as hot as u think, you lost.
So I might do a couple of charity shows for the blind and handicap,
but they can still see that lyrically your shit is whack,
and when you try to attack back, talkin smack,
with weak lines about 10 year old smoking crack,
I laugh cause in fact that&#39;s the exact thing glorified in commercial rap,
and thats why I can&#39;t stand people like the game,
I dont care if he gangbangs or had to hustle to stay alive,
theres places in bolivia where its a hundred times harder to survive,
and unlike dead prez hes not revolutionary, but gangsta,
he doesn&#39;t give a fuck about people dyin all around ya,
as long as he gets his ends,drives his benz and rocks diamonds,
its all good in the hood, even though the people are starvin,
and just like marvin im really wondering whats going on,
45 million americans without healthcare, thats just wrong,
the problem with commercial rappers and their capitalistic onslaughts,
is that they betrayed so many people to get where the got,
and you know what, my mom is actually jewish,
so you really need to shut your mouth with that ignorant bullshit,
but I can&#39;t blame you, just like Marx said youre a product of your society,
and that&#39;s why when the revolution comes you won&#39;t be standing beside of me,
so now go, make like the streets and dry your eyes mate,
and next time you try to front on me, leave out the hate.

"Ey yo, we aint tryin to be be willies or thugs in it, we just trying to spread love in it, we spread love yall, all across the globe, we spread love all across the globe..."

-Little Brother

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

rap sucks
I only listen to rock because it always has meaningful, poignant, and conscious lyrics...

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise.
Tastes so good, make a grown man cry,
Sweet cherry pie.

Swingin&#39; on the front porch,
Swingin&#39; on the lawn.
Swingin&#39; where we want,
Cause there ain&#39;t nobody home.
Swingin&#39; to the left,
And swingin&#39; to the right.
If I think about baseball,
I&#39;ll swing all night, yeah.

Swingin&#39; in the living room,
Swingin&#39; in the kitchen.
Most folks don&#39;t cause,
They&#39;re too busy *****in&#39;.
Swingin&#39; in there cause,
She wanted me to feed her.
So I mixed up the batter,
And she licked the beater.

I scream, you scream,
We all scream for her.
Don&#39;t even try cause,
You can&#39;t ignore her.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise.
Tastes so good, make a grown man cry,
Sweet cherry pie, oh yeah.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Put a smile on your face ten miles wide.
Looks so good, bring a tear to your eye,
Sweet cherry pie.

Swingin&#39; to the drums,
Swingin&#39; to guitar.
Swingin&#39; to the bass,
In the back of my car.
Ain&#39;t got money,
Ain&#39;t got no gas.
But we&#39;ll get where we&#39;re goin&#39; if we,
Swing real fast.

I scream, you scream,
We all scream for her.
Don&#39;t even try cause,
You can&#39;t ignore her.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise.
Tastes so good, make a grown man cry,
Sweet cherry pie, oh yeah.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Put a smile on your face ten miles wide.
Looks so good, bring a tear to your eye,
Sweet cherry pie.

Swing it&#33; All night long
Swing it&#33;
Swingin in the bathroom,
Swingin&#39; on the floor.
Swingin&#39; so hard,
We forgot to lock the door.
In walks her daddy,
Standin&#39; six foot four.
He said, You ain&#39;t gonna swing with my daughter no more.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise.
Tastes so good, make a grown man cry,
Sweet cherry pie, oh yeah.

She&#39;s my cherry pie,
Put a smile on your face ten miles wide.
Looks so good, bring a tear to your eye,
Sweet cherry pie.
Sweet cherry pie

[guerillablack]

Most people who bought that single later commited suicide. Don&#39;t tell me rap doesnt have conscious, meaningful lyrics and that all rock has conscious , meaningful lyrics.

[novemba]

I believe he was being sarcastic...I hope

[Paradox]

My words are beautiful in their simplicity/
Sun shines through tales of broken dreams/
Hope creeps through tha broken seams/
Life goes on/
My heart be tha drum, my life be tha song/
I know it&#39;s been said before,
But it&#39;s genius in its simple expression/
I come not seekin&#39; a warm reception/
For animosity rules ignorant minds/
They throw stones an&#39; cast me into exile/
I&#39;m a dreamer who dreams dreams that are "vile"-/
"Subversive" like CIA coups/
Even though it&#39;s them who won&#39;t let people live as they choose/
I&#39;m a book- read my table of contents/
Chapter One- Fuck dollars an&#39; cents/
I use vulgarity to get my point across,
Even though I don&#39;t really have to/
But how else can I catch you?/
You only respond to verbal attacks an&#39; disses/
But this is- something else/
This is knowledge of self/
I ain&#39;t gotta diss you to get you/
Played out insults wither away
In a drought of intellectual thought/
Escape from tha streets is what you sought/
But you got caught- glorifyin&#39; tha death, tha street life that you left/
Nothin&#39; wrong wit makin&#39; a livin&#39;/
But make sure while you take, that you&#39;re givin&#39;/

[C_Rasmussen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 12:34 AM
Most people who bought that single later commited suicide. Don&#39;t tell me rap doesnt have conscious, meaningful lyrics and that all rock has conscious , meaningful lyrics.
Why would people kill themselves over a song that is of mainly humor? You&#39;d think someone would kill themselves over something The Game put out or worse yet one of the pathetic raps by 2 Pac.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:34 PM
Most people who bought that single later commited suicide. Don&#39;t tell me rap doesnt have conscious, meaningful lyrics and that all rock has conscious , meaningful lyrics.
I was being sarcastic.
The point is that all genres of music are riddled with shitty music that have horrible lyrics

[novemba]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:40 PM
I believe he was being sarcastic...
I love how we turned this I deplore hip-hop into a verse infested hip-hop fan thread

[bolshevik butcher]

Are there any other people that think tpac wrecked hiphop. The whole gnagsta rap thing never appealed to me mutch. He seems to be hte man that commercialised a rebelious movement.

[guerillablack]

Your the only one. If you think there wasn&#39;t gangsta rap before 2pac your mistaken. One of the Greatest of all time

[novemba]

Tupac was good, but he could have been better.

and there was a lot of gangsta rap before him...but youre right the whole movement shadowed so much of the good hip-hop being put out at the same time such as Gangstarr, Jeru the Damaja, All of the Native Tounge Posse, and many many more. Personally I prefered Biggie&#39;s style more then Tupacs but I think they both sold out to commercial america. Tupac wasn&#39;t a felon until 1996(? maybe &#39;95) which was much after he started preaching his G shit. Seems to me he committed that crime just so he could feel like he was living the shit he was rhyming about.

[Redmau5]

Are there any other people that think tpac wrecked hiphop. The whole gnagsta rap thing never appealed to me mutch. He seems to be hte man that commercialised a rebelious movement.

Is it not you that often praises N.W.A. ? They were one of the first, and one of the most hardcore, gangsta rap acts ever. And yet you criticise 2pac ?


Tupac wasn&#39;t a felon until 1996(? maybe &#39;95)

He was charged with sexual assault in 1993.

[guerillablack]

I know, did he think tht helped his gangsta image? I don&#39;t believe he did it and the woman who accused him should be killed.

[Redmau5]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 10:59 PM
I know, did he think tht helped his gangsta image? I don&#39;t believe he did it and the woman who accused him should be killed.
:lol: Lmao.

Women like that disgust me. Because Pac was a rapper she thought she&#39;d try and squeeze any money she could out of him. I don&#39;t believe for one minute that Tupac did anything against that woman&#39;s will.

[Hampton]

Or that he had to try and do anything aginst her will. He had women around him and trying to get at him all the time, he didn&#39;t need to do something like that.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh but NWA did it in a different way. NWA, they seem to have a different take on the whole gangsta rap thing.

[Anti-establishment]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 05:43 PM
Yeh but NWA did it in a different way. NWA, they seem to have a different take on the whole gangsta rap thing.
What? Please explain this statment.

From Gangsta Gangsta on Straight Outta Compton: &#39;&#39;To a kid lookin up to me, Life aint nuttin but *****es and money&#33;&#39;&#39;

From the song Straight Outta Compton:

&#39;&#39;What about the ***** who got shot, FUCK HER, you think i give damn about a *****? I aint a sucker&#39;&#39;

&#39;&#39;Shoot a motherfucker in a minute
I find a good piece o&#39; pussy, I go up in it
So if you&#39;re at a show in the front row
I&#39;m a call you a ***** or dirty-ass ho
You&#39;ll probably get mad like a ***** is supposed to
But that shows me, slut, you&#39;re composed to
a crazy muthafucker from tha street
Attitude legit cause I&#39;m tearin up shit&#39;&#39;

Where is the difference between this and 90&#39;s gangsta rap?

[Anti-establishment]

Since when have I been hurricane game?
I actually agree wit u Zack, he&#39;s lame
Why spend all that time talkin about him to me?
I don&#39;t care for him, 50cent or Jay-Z
An yo Zack, you can&#39;t even step to this,
and since when have you jewish rats been in the rap business?
Stick to the sewers, that&#39;s where your nest&#39;s at
That line sounds familiar somehow, how&#39;s that?
Oh yeah the Irish remark you made about potatoes
But now you yappin coz i came back wit sum Jew jokes?
Thats pretty hypocritic, and pretty pathetic Zack
And I&#39;m not a nazi, I just had to hit back
Took a guess you had Jewish descendents
I got lucky, but now i&#39;ll be warned for bein nazi
But hey, I fight fire wit fire, to me thats all right
I&#39;m sure your not xenophobic, and I&#39;m no anti-semite
Didn&#39;t wanna have to do it, but what can ya do?
Cry to the admins Zack, if you want to
get me banned, I really cudn&#39;t give a shit
but don&#39;t talk to me about ignorant bullshit,
And when the revolution comes, I dont wanna stand beside a pussy
You&#39;ll prolly be stuck at home watchin it on a TV
So this cud be it, my last stand
but i&#39;m not even worried about gettin&#39; banned, I&#39;m gone...

[RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT]

i never do this but i think this topic was a waste of time and it cause nothing but mindless bickering about nothing . ... and Hip - Hop is probably the realest genre of music out there , im talking about TRUE hip- hop , none of this main stream "fiddy cent / mobb deep/ Mike Jones / ludacriss" shit .. *sigh fortunately we (The East Cost ) seems to have the only "main stream " artists that are truly holding it down ex. Talib Kweli , the whole Wu tang family , Common and Mos Def (even though he did that fuckign "GMC Denali " commercial ) ... *sigh but at least every coast can trust on their underground scene for some true skills …ah enough of my rant comrades stop with the posts of how much u hate something.. if u hate something so much at least have a viable argument supporting your cause..

[praxis1966]

Am I the only asshole here who listens to metal and hip-hop? I don&#39;t think they&#39;re all that dichotomal, unless you&#39;re a closed-minded *****. And you people call yourselves revolutionaries, all the while making generalizations about people based solely upon the music they listen to. Who knows what other pent up prejudices you guys are lugging around with you.

Frankly, I&#39;m inclined to think that all mainstream music is intended for one purpose and one purpose only: making money. If you&#39;re a musician, a real musician, it&#39;s never about money. It doesn&#39;t matter whether you&#39;re playing sold out stadiums or in your own garage. It&#39;s the music that matters, whether it&#39;s hip-hop, metal, country, salsa, merengue, blues, jazz, bluegrass, or whatever. So as far as I&#39;m concerned, if you&#39;re on MTV, it doesn&#39;t matter what your style is. Chances are you had to sell out to get there.

The metal and hip hop fans who think each other&#39;s music is "random noise" are both fucking wrong. These statements can only be bred from one of two things: ignorance or laziness. Ignorance I can forgive, it only means you haven&#39;t been exposed to one genre or the other, or if you have, it&#39;s been to relatively bad examples. Laziness, however, I can&#39;t forgive. It means that none of you have ever bothered to try and understand or appreciate anything other than your own narrow-minded perception of what is musically tastefully.

Honestly, I&#39;m inclined to think that the people pointing fingers around here are guilty of the latter and not the former.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 06:41 PM
Am I the only asshole here who listens to metal and hip-hop?
nope






but back to the topic, hip hop culture is all about people power, so any real communist should at least respect it, even if they don&#39;t like the music

emceeing is derived from spoken word, which was almost all political

and graffiti, breakdancing, etc is all about subverting public space, going against the norm, and defying authority

so whats your *****?

[synthesis]

... and Hip - Hop is probably the realest genre of music out there , im talking about TRUE hip- hop , none of this main stream "fiddy cent / mobb deep/ Mike Jones / ludacriss" shit ..

Although I don&#39;t share the same views about 50 Cent and Ludacris and believe that they can actually release superb songs if they actually want to (see "Ghetto Qu&#39;ran" by 50 or "Cold Outside" by Luda), I don&#39;t think you can even really include Mobb Deep in that category.

Havoc and Prodigy are legends in hip-hop. The Infamous is absolutely essential to understanding the modern hip-hop landscape.

On top of that, I will guiltlessly admit to thoroughly enjoying "Outta Control (Remix)" but then again, the real star of that song is Dr Dre. Anyone on this board could have thrown out some shitty rhymes to go with that song and it would still be Top 10; the beat is really that outstanding.

edit: Also, I will submit that "Just a Little Bit" by 50 Cent is the most innovative song to make it to the Top 10 in at least five years. It doesn&#39;t matter that the lyrics could have been lifted wholesale from any of the other G-Unit singles; that ten-second sitar break pushes the song miles farther towards the rap avant-garde than several minutes&#39; worth of weirdness (Gorillaz) or repetitive political sermonizing ("Mosh").

[bunk]

Remember Nas - Jay Z beef Mobb deep was deep in it and they made the song eye for an eye your beef is mine. Then they join G-Unit when their dissing Nas&#39;?

[praxis1966]

At any rate, I submit this evidence to show that hip-hop and metal/rock most definately aren&#39;t mutually exclusive:

Onyx and Biohazard re-doing "Slam".
Public Enemy and Anthrax re-doing "Bring the Noise".
Run DMC and Aerosmith re-doing "Walk This Way".
The P. Diddy-Jimmy Page collaboration.
The Busta Rhymes-Ozzy Osborne collaboration.
Run DMC&#39;s "King of Rock" album.
Big Pun and Incubus re-doing "Not a Playa" under the title "Still Not A Playa".
Rage Against the Machine feat. Snoop Dogg on "Snoop Bounce".
The Beastie Boys.
The Judgement Night soundtrack which featured such pairings as Cypress Hill with Sonic Youth, House of Pain with Helmet, and Ice-T with Slayer (although the last one really isn&#39;t that surprising when one remembers Body Count).
RZA and Rage Against the Machine spontaneously collaborating on the &#39;97 North American tour (Rage and Wu were on tour together and I was there you dirty mofos).

You get the idea.

[Anti-establishment]

Nas and Korn - Play Me
Ice Cube and Korn - ????????

[Redmau5]

see "Ghetto Qu&#39;ran" by 50

Ghetto Qua Ran was released when 50 was underground, so it hasn&#39;t really anything to do with the 50 of nowadays.


Also, I will submit that "Just a Little Bit" by 50 Cent is the most innovative song to make it to the Top 10 in at least five years

One of the worst hip-hop songs ever.


Remember Nas - Jay Z beef Mobb deep was deep in it

Well Prodigy was getting dissed by both Nas and Jay-z, although probably more by Jay-z.


they made the song eye for an eye your beef is mine. Then they join G-Unit when their dissing Nas&#39;?

Eye for an eye was made in &#39;95. A lot can change in that time. And Nas and Mobb Deep aren&#39;t exactly on great terms anymore, so I doubt Mobb Deep gave too much thought to Nas&#39; feelings when they decided to join G-Unit. Although I despise them for crossing over to a pop group like G-Unit.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 08:04 PM
Bahah, long haired lice infected losers? Nice way to generalize and stereotype you moron. Some people just hate the whole attitude that comes with today&#39;s hip hop. If you&#39;re talking about REAL hip-hop (Grand Master Flash, Run DMC, Public Enemy and the like), then I fucking love it. It has a much better feel and attitude to it than 50 Cent or any other dumbass "rap artist" today.
There is alot of real good shit today, dont just hate hip hop cause you see shit music on TV. The capitalist put it there.

[rioters bloc]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2005, 07:54 PM
RZA and Rage Against the Machine spontaneously collaborating on the &#39;97 North American tour (Rage and Wu were on tour together and I was there you dirty mofos).
BASTARD

[bolshevik butcher]

I listen to metal and some hiphop. Yeh msot mainstream stuff is shit. But a lot of mainstream rock is shit.

[OleMarxco]

Originally posted by Anti&#045;establishment+Aug 28 2005, 07:48 PM--> (Anti-establishment @ Aug 28 2005, 07:48 PM)
Clenched [email protected] 28 2005, 05:43 PM
Yeh but NWA did it in a different way. NWA, they seem to have a different take on the whole gangsta rap thing.
What? Please explain this statment.

From Gangsta Gangsta on Straight Outta Compton: &#39;&#39;To a kid lookin up to me, Life aint nuttin but *****es and money&#33;&#39;&#39;? [/b]
Whut - You&#39;re tellin&#39; me it&#39;s &#39;bout sumthin&#39; else? ;)
Heheheheh. I don&#39;t blame milk for sour taste,
when hip-hop got gangsta rap&#39;s. There&#39;s SOME talent out there,
you just gotta DIG&#33;