Pat Robertson says U-S should kill Venezuelan pres

[colombiano]

Reverend Pat Robertson says U-S should kill Venezuelan president (http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3753059)

[sapho]

Robertson is not just an ordinary Christian. He is a Christian fascist, just like Bush. They are all dangerous fanatics who aim to make the U.S a religious dictatorship and to force this upon the World.

This Christian fascism didnt materialize out of thin air. It arose on the basis of CAPITALISM, and the most powerful capitalists support it(even if they fight among themselves).

Chavez is doing a great job in Venezuela. Finally they have a President who uses oil profits to help educate and provide medical care for the people among other things.

[Des]

if only someone would take Robertson out....

[Martin Blank]

The "one-bullet" policy can apply to preachers too.

Miles

[Intifada]

Talk about "preachers of hate."

[h&s]

This is just the usual response of capitalists to left-wing populists who fail to be revolutionary.
Venezuela will be lucky if Chavez's term ends with capitalism - another military coup is likely.

[communist mercy]

I heard Pat Robertson was being treated for Prostate Cancer a while back. Could he still be long for this world?


http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/02/13/robertson.cancer/

[Insomniac]

It is now clear for all to see that whilst capitalism is not in a HUGE 1930s style crisis, it is starting to decline, bit by bit.

The slowing down of the US and other major economies, the HUGE budget deficit in the US and the EU, the rise of unemployment in the EU and Japan, the massive cutbacks of welfare in the first world and the energy crisis that has caused most of the problems in the middle east.

Add to this the breaking away of certain thrid world nations like Venezuela and Cuba and other nations set to break away from neo-liberal capitalism and imperialism. Then we have the renewal of the anti capitalist movement in the first world, starting in Seattle in 1999.

All of these problems give the ruling class the need to create a scapegoat to divert people away from the problems we now face. Islam is now the main bogeyman and we can all see how the ruling class has used this to it's maximum potential.

However for domestic diversions we have seen the ruling class attack certain social groups that benefited from the social liberalism fo the last two decades or so.

Gays, ethnic minorities, unionised workers, homeless, drug addicts etc... are now all blamed for the 'decline' of the American nation and of it's society. This gives the ruling class it's chance to attack the welfare support many of these groups depend on, from drug rehab clinics to abortion centres for the poor etc...

This is where the Christian fascists, like Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell come in. Kill two birds with one stone is now the ruling class position on this issue.

Blame the socially disadvantged for 'moral decay' using the Christian fascists and diverting people away from the real source of the problem and then when people buy into this bigotry, cut the socially disadvantaged's welfare support, as the capitalist system now only needs to spend money on IT'S interests, like oppression (the police/FBI/CIA) and war and militarism.

Christian fascism is one of the MAJOR factors as to why such a corrupt, illegitimate regime like Bush's has a large social base of support.

The question is, how do we fight Christian fascism???

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 12:47 PM
if only someone would take Robertson out....
Individual terrorism would only strengthen them, as they would then see Pat Robertson as a martyr, and therefore, it would make them more militant. Individual terrorism is counter-productive to its goals, as it alienates the "liberator" from those that he/she wishes to "liberate."

Chavez is actually listening to his people, and the Venzuelan revolution continues to move forward. Every leftist should support Chavez.

[bolshevik butcher]

If someone suggested doing this to any beugoirse leader they'd be branded a potential terroist. Talk about double standards. Is this man a main stream commentator in america?

[Insomniac]

If someone suggested doing this to any beugoirse leader they'd be branded a potential terroist. Talk about double standards.

Every word that a capitalist says is either a lie or a gross act of hypocracy.

Don't bother getting on the moral high ground on account of their verbal hypocracy, for they know nothing else and can never say anything else for if they speak the truth, then they will only expose themselves.

Let's just work towards their overthrow and in the meantime they can spew all the lies they want for one day they will no longer have the chance to.

[/QUOTE]Is this man a main stream commentator in america?[QUOTE]

Yes he is.

Pat Robertson is the owner of the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) and the chat show, the 700 club (This is where he made his comments about Chavez).

The CBN gives REGULAR interviews to members of staff at the Pentagon, DoD, CIA/FBI and even intervied Bush cabinet members and Paul Bemmar, the US 'governer' of Iraq 2003-2004.

Pat Robertson also founded and runs the Christian Coalition (CC), a far-right fundamentalist Christian political group that acts like a PAC in the US. The CC has a multi-million dollar budget and has a HUGE influence on the Republican Party and the CC influences about 10-15% of voters in how they vote in 'elections' in the US.

Pat Robertson also ran in the Republican presidential primaries twice, although he never became a Republican candidate for President. Ironically, given Robertson's support for Bush Jr, Robertson OPPOSED Bush Sr. for not being righ-wing ENOUGH on issues like abortion.

Robertson is the spokesman for ALL of America's Christian fascist movement.

[communist mercy]

Here is the video of Pat Robertson's fascist halitosis


http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Venezuela Says Robertson Call to Kill Chavez Criminal (Update1)

Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Venezuelan Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said that calls by U.S. television evangelist Pat Robertson to kill Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez were ``criminal.'' U.S. Senators Norm Coleman and Mel Martinez called Robertson's statements ``irresponsible'' and ``incredibly stupid.''

``It's the height of hypocrisy for the U.S. to continue talking about the war against terrorism when at the same time you have someone making obvious terrorist declarations in the heart of the country,'' Rangel said.

Robertson, a television evangelist, said yesterday on a broadcast of his ``700 Club'' program that Chavez is a ``dangerous enemy.'' He said killing Chavez would be cheaper than going to war with Venezuela to remove him.

``It was an incredibly stupid statement and has no reflection on reality,'' Coleman, the chairman of the Senate's Foreign Relations subcommittee on the western Hemisphere, told reporters while on a trip to Rio de Janeiro. ``I met with President Chavez on my last visit a couple of months ago and he related that concern to me, about how the U.S. was out to assassinate him. I told him not to lose any sleep about it.''

Chavez, 51, in June said there was ``evidence'' that the U.S. wanted him dead, an act that would violate an assassination ban first signed by Gerald Ford in 1976. The Venezuelan leader has repeatedly accused President George W. Bush of backing efforts to topple his government, a charge the U.S. denies.

Justification

``This type of statement justifies the Venezuelan government's worry about preserving the life of its president,'' Rangel said. ``President Bush said yesterday that his government rejects all forms of terrorism. The reaction of the U.S. to this presumably religious man will put to the test U.S. rhetoric.''

The U.S. has alleged Venezuela is using its oil wealth to undermine democracy in Latin America. Venezuela, the U.S.'s fourth-largest oil supplier, has threatened to cut off supplies.

``I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it,'' Robertson said of Chavez. ``This is a dangerous enemy to our south controlling a huge pool of oil.''

Robertson, 75, made the comments on Chavez yesterday on his program, an audiotape of which was posted on the Web site of the Christian Broadcasting Network, founded by the cleric in 1960 and based in Virginia.

``We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come to exercise that ability,'' Robertson said.

Executive Orders

Ford in 1976 signed an executive order that ``no employee of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, political assassination.'' President Ronald Reagan in 1981 extended that ban to include all people ``employed by or acting on behalf of'' the government.

Following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on Washington and New York, the White House said the executive order does allow the U.S. to act in self-defense.

Robertson said that Chavez is going to make Venezuela a ``launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.'' Killing Chavez, who is currently visiting Cuba, would be cheaper than starting a war, he said.

``We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator,'' Robertson said. ``It's a whole lot easier to let some of the covert operatives do the job and get it over with.''

Arms Purchases

Venezuela has bought $240 million in Russian arms since March, drawing criticism from U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who said the buildup poses a threat to stability in the Western Hemisphere.

``We have a lot of evidence, not just rumors, that there are people who think the only solution is to kill Hugo Chavez,'' the Venezuelan leader said June 5 in Caracas, referring to the U.S. ``We've increased our security and intelligence a lot. If that madness happens, they will regret it.''

Chavez, who became president in February 1999, was overthrown in a coup in April 2002 and regained power two days later. The U.S., which didn't immediately condemn the overthrow of the Venezuelan leader, has rejected accusations by Chavez that it helped plan the coup.

In its initial reaction to the coup on April 12, 2002, the White House, through spokesman Ari Fleischer, placed blame for the unrest on Chavez and asserted -- incorrectly, as it turned out -- that Chavez had ``resigned the presidency'' and been replaced by a ``transitional authority.''

Chavez in August 2004 defeated a referendum to remove him from office, allowing him to see out his term until after the next elections, scheduled for December 2006. The referendum was forced after the opposition gathered 2.4 million signatures.

Robertson's ``700 Club'' reaches an average of 1 million American viewers daily, according to his Web site. He ran for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 1988.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2005, 09:12 AM
Talk about "preachers of hate."
I know tell me about it geez.

Christian fascists are controlling the US goverment and there reckoning has been coming for a while.

[Correa]

It seems the US is using similar tactics already used against Guatemala, Cuba, and Nicaragua on Venezuela. Declaring that Venezuela is a threat to the US and that it must be dealt with. Any Latin American country that decides to take matters into their own hands and make changes that benefit its people the US refers to them as a threat. That saddest part is that a significant number of US citizens actually consider the arguement due to in my humble opinion the degeneration of education in the US. Not to mention its sanitized history that still teaches Columbus discovered America!

Revolucion! :angry:

Las Vegas, NV

[patria grande]

What will the average yankee think if any Latin American say something like that about the well known criminal George Bush? Who, by the way, is THE BIGGEST threat against peace, freedom and democracy in the whole world. :angry:

[Free Palestine]

Originally posted by Pat Robertson
ROBERTSON: There was a popular coup that overthrew him [Chavez]. And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken; Chavez was back in power, but we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he's going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508220006

It never fails to crack me up how the word 'communist' is still an insult in the US. Also, it's pretty interesting how you have to be less and less leftist in order to be an enemy of the United States. Communist in the 50s and 60s; Socialist in the 70s, 80s and 90s; and now just plain liberal in the new millenium. Another decade and slightly right-of-center will be a criminal offense.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

WOW, I just found this... don't know how I hadn't heard of it before!

Pat Robertson says U.S. State Department Should Be Nuked (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/robertson.state/).

[Social Greenman]

This link should help explain how people like Robertson are being taken literally:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

[communist mercy]

Here is an aritcle straight from Pat Robertson's 700 Club cbn.com website. It gives you an idea how this sick man's mind thinks. Robertson views the National Endowment of Democracy as a benign insitution.


http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/news/050531a.asp

[bolshevik butcher]

Islamic extremism in latin america, but theres hardly any muslims there is there? :huh:

[communist mercy]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 24 2005, 04:30 PM
Islamic extremism in latin america, but theres hardly any muslims there is there? :huh:
Yeah, not to mention that communism is incompatible with muslim or any other type of religious fundamentalism and vice versa. It's an oxymoron.

[patria grande]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 24 2005, 04:30 PM
Islamic extremism in latin america, but theres hardly any muslims there is there? :huh:
In fact, as in the U.S there are muslims and jews in Latin America. Most of this people are a wealthy minority far from any kind of religious extremism.

[rikaguilera]

I think what frightens, and confuses, me about this idiot is that so many people follow him. So many people feel everything he and Jerry Fallwell say is gospel. (pun not intended) There are so many right wing christians in the U.S. now, that this guy is protected from legal response. I also feel that "taking" Robertson out would be a cause for celebration, but do not see it as going very far to accomplish anything. I do not see him as ever getting a stronger following due to it. I just fear the other bible toting idiots who hang on every word of these morons.

[fuerzasocialista]

Patria is correct. Most of the descendants of Jews/Muslims in Latin America are part of the wealthy minorities and show no real evidence that implicates them in religious fundamentalism albeit its safe to say that they wouldn't be thrilled to see a Leftist government in control.

[ZACKist]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/24/robertson.chavez/index.html

Seems like he is changing his mind on what he said, now.... He didn't mean "kill". Ugh. If Chavez were to even break a nail, I would hope this Christian Fascist would be taken out. I'm not kidding.

[ZACKist]

Funny.

matang-
"now he's saying his comments were taken out of context by the media, because when he said "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it", what he really meant was, well, he doesn't say. he only talks about the next thing he said and how when he said "take him out" he meant "to dinner and maybe a walk on the beach. with nothing between us and the stars except the pungent aroma of romance in the air, there's no problem we can't solve."

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 24 2005, 04:30 PM
Islamic extremism in latin america, but theres hardly any muslims there is there? :huh:
Robertson is obviously telling a lie so that he can gain support against Venezuela in the name of the "war on terror" (in reality, it is the war that spreads terror!).

[sapho]

Islamic extremism = Christian extremism.

For example that Rudolph guy who bombed abortion clinics and killed innocent people. He is ALSO a terrorist but plea bargained with the U.S government.
These Christian right wing fanatics are just as bad.

[Ultra-Violence]

My thoughts commrades is that even if the christian facist just ruined any chance of getting rid of chavez now! The people will rise up and fight yankee imperialism!
and as insomniac stated earlier this is a sign of capitilism getting weaker i dont think its goanna be long now commrades!



Hasta La Victoria Siempre! :hammer:

[TheReadMenace]

Blame the socially disadvantged for 'moral decay'

But dude, they are to blame. If you're not following God the way you were created to do, then you are sinful and responsible for society's demise.

:lol:

Andrew

[Axel1917]

After thinking and reading around for a bit, I must say:

Thank you, Pat Robertson, for so bluntly exposing the interests and methods of US Imperialism. At least you are more honest than Bush and Co. about it.

[sapho]

Correct comrades. Robertsons comments will only increase leftist movements thru-out South America and elsewhere. U.S imperialism is on the decline.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 04:57 PM
Correct comrades. Robertsons comments will only increase leftist movements thru-out South America and elsewhere. U.S imperialism is on the decline.
On the decline? Um, excuse me, but did you forget Iraq?

[anomaly]

Perhaps he meant that US imperialism will soon be on the decline, in Latin America atleast. Such radically right wing comments will only fuel the revolutionary activity in Latin america, and possibly around the world. What Robertson said is the truth of US foreign policy: if someone disagrees with the American Empire, he/she must be killed for their treachery.

This comment was especially unwise as Venezuela supplies some 8% of the US's petroleum.

With a few more nations, do you thin, perhaps, that a new socialist bloc may be created in Latin America, and Venezuela can stop trading with the US? Venezuela and Cuba already seem committed enough. PErhaps Robertson realizes, as we do, that the South American continent will soon become a hotbead for revolution...

BTW, don't expect anything better from a fascist like Robertson. In 1992, he said feminism causes women to kill their children and practice witchcraft. The man is insane!!

[MoscowFarewell]

The entire 700 club is full of fascist racist christians...

Its on ABC Family.

[Freidenker]

I think it's pretty lol.


All this controversy, Chavez must be like.. "Oh haha, whatever makes people like me better!"


GOOD JOB CHRISTIAN RIGHT!

[Leif]

Even though they are making things a real pain in the ass for us right now, it's good to know that fundamentalism is doomed to die like the dinosaurs and the arcane religion they follow. We just get to point and laugh for the time being, and make sure they don't try anything too stupid, and if they do we can take it, whatever it may be.

Take heart brothers and sisters, this is yet another stake in the coffin. God is dead, and the 700 club will bury it.

(I mean it as in the 700 club isn't even vaguely christian, it's an extreme branch of an extreme branch of a once somwhat positive religion.)

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 09:40 AM
WOW, I just found this... don't know how I hadn't heard of it before!

Pat Robertson says U.S. State Department Should Be Nuked (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/robertson.state/).
Just heard that today, too, laughed till I thought I'd die. I loved his ''analysis" of 9/11 even more.

[D_Bokk]

Ali al-Timimi, a Muslim extremist, was sentenced to life in prison for inciting terrorism. Now that an American Christian Fundamentalist has done the exact same, lets take a gander and see what happens to him.

An apology isn't enough. If the US really is having a War on Terrorism, they damn well better have it apply to everyone, not just the Muslims.

[MeTaLhEaD]

ALA MIERDA CRISTIANOS FASCISTAS!!!!!!!!!




Bush killing in the name of god.. and that fascist christian.. teling bush to kill in the name of god


where is ur god know??

[bombeverything]

I found the response of the U.S government quite amusing. It was something along the lines of:

1. Such an act would be illegal.
2. We welcome the comments, he has a right to free speech. But we never do things like that.

I believe that these comments speak for themselves.

[Commandante_Ant]

In the past couple of days it seems Robertsons been eating his words. "Yeah go ahead and kill him..god wont mind"....couple of days later its a totally different matter. This smacks of "he said something bad about us and we should teach him a lesson"...a bit of an extreme lesson but what do you expect from Americans? They dont know democracy...they like to use force and employ it anywhere they can.

Is this guy as stupid as Dubya? Is that possible?

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 03:17 AM
Perhaps he meant that US imperialism will soon be on the decline, in Latin America atleast. Such radically right wing comments will only fuel the revolutionary activity in Latin america, and possibly around the world. What Robertson said is the truth of US foreign policy: if someone disagrees with the American Empire, he/she must be killed for their treachery.

This comment was especially unwise as Venezuela supplies some 8% of the US's petroleum.

With a few more nations, do you thin, perhaps, that a new socialist bloc may be created in Latin America, and Venezuela can stop trading with the US? Venezuela and Cuba already seem committed enough. PErhaps Robertson realizes, as we do, that the South American continent will soon become a hotbead for revolution...

BTW, don't expect anything better from a fascist like Robertson. In 1992, he said feminism causes women to kill their children and practice witchcraft. The man is insane!!
I think that if things go right, Venezuela will send shockwaves all over the world. There is not a single stable capitalist regime in Latin America! The US won't be happy about that, and they won't be able to defeat them by invading (they are losing to the determined popluation of Iraq. Imagine them taking on a more numerous and far more determined population of much of Latin America! They are already too divided up with Iraq to last!). Heck, with the changes going on in China, Venezuela could send shockwave that would change the situation over there into one favorable for genuine socialism. I would not be surprised if Venezuela, under the right conditions, ends up sending the massive shockwaves that the October Revolution did. With the world-wide crisises of capitalism, leaders not listening to their people (with the exception of Chavez, for the most part), etc., I would also say that if such shockwaves happened, that the international situation for socialism will be much more favorable than from 1917 to the 1920's, especially seeing how extreme forms of capitalist dictatorship (Fascism, for a great example) have been exposed and are now despised by just about anyone.

From MeTaLhEaD:


Bush killing in the name of god.. and that fascist christian.. teling bush to kill in the name of god

where is ur god know??

People like Bush and Robertson are probably some of the least Christian people in the world. I hope that honest religious people all over the world see those reactionaries for who they really are!

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Axel1917+Aug 25 2005, 11:44 AM--> (Axel1917 @ Aug 25 2005, 11:44 AM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 03:17 AM
Perhaps he meant that US imperialism will soon be on the decline, in Latin America atleast. Such radically right wing comments will only fuel the revolutionary activity in Latin america, and possibly around the world. What Robertson said is the truth of US foreign policy: if someone disagrees with the American Empire, he/she must be killed for their treachery.

This comment was especially unwise as Venezuela supplies some 8% of the US's petroleum.

With a few more nations, do you thin, perhaps, that a new socialist bloc may be created in Latin America, and Venezuela can stop trading with the US? Venezuela and Cuba already seem committed enough. PErhaps Robertson realizes, as we do, that the South American continent will soon become a hotbead for revolution...

BTW, don't expect anything better from a fascist like Robertson. In 1992, he said feminism causes women to kill their children and practice witchcraft. The man is insane!!
I think that if things go right, Venezuela will send shockwaves all over the world. There is not a single stable capitalist regime in Latin America! The US won't be happy about that, and they won't be able to defeat them by invading (they are losing to the determined popluation of Iraq. Imagine them taking on a more numerous and far more determined population of much of Latin America! They are already too divided up with Iraq to last!). Heck, with the changes going on in China, Venezuela could send shockwave that would change the situation over there into one favorable for genuine socialism. I would not be surprised if Venezuela, under the right conditions, ends up sending the massive shockwaves that the October Revolution did. With the world-wide crisises of capitalism, leaders not listening to their people (with the exception of Chavez, for the most part), etc., I would also say that if such shockwaves happened, that the international situation for socialism will be much more favorable than from 1917 to the 1920's, especially seeing how extreme forms of capitalist dictatorship (Fascism, for a great example) have been exposed and are now despised by just about anyone.

From MeTaLhEaD:


Bush killing in the name of god.. and that fascist christian.. teling bush to kill in the name of god

where is ur god know??

People like Bush and Robertson are probably some of the least Christian people in the world. I hope that honest religious people all over the world see those reactionaries for who they really are! [/b]
Indeed, imagine them fighting 3 unjust wars at a time, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. They would go down in flames ( public support speaking) faster than a paper shack.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 03:50 PM
From Ownthink:
Indeed, imagine them fighting 3 unjust wars at a time, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. They would go down in flames ( public support speaking) faster than a paper shack.
Tell me about it! That would just give the Left more fuel. The Right keeps finding itself in one difficult situation after another. They cannot resort to an extreme form of reactionary captialist government (such as how the German and Italian Bourgeoisie handed over power to madmen like Hitler and Moussolini (sp?)), given that there is no mass basis for that to happen. The masses are already in an embryonic form of anti-capitalism over here in the USA (they hate what Bush is doing, and he is doing capitalist things; he is just a figurehead of the Borugeoisie dictatorship. Their current lack of knowledge of what is really going on is what is preventing them from seeing that Bush is just a figurehead acting in the name of the problem. It is only a matter of time before they wake up and start seeing the truth. They have a long way to go in terms of realizing what is going on, but a lot has changed in the attitude of the masses in the past five years. I would argue that the attitue of the masses has changed much more in the past five years than in the thirty years that preceded those five years! We have entered the most turbulent time in recent history, comrades!).

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by Axel1917+Aug 25 2005, 11:57 AM--> (Axel1917 @ Aug 25 2005, 11:57 AM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 03:50 PM
From Ownthink:
Indeed, imagine them fighting 3 unjust wars at a time, Iraq, Iran, Venezuela. They would go down in flames ( public support speaking) faster than a paper shack.
Tell me about it! That would just give the Left more fuel. The Right keeps finding itself in one difficult situation after another. They cannot resort to an extreme form of reactionary captialist government (such as how the German and Italian Bourgeoisie handed over power to madmen like Hitler and Moussolini (sp?)), given that there is no mass basis for that to happen. The masses are already in an embryonic form of anti-capitalism over here in the USA (they hate what Bush is doing, and he is doing capitalist things; he is just a figurehead of the Borugeoisie dictatorship. Their current lack of knowledge of what is really going on is what is preventing them from seeing that Bush is just a figurehead acting in the name of the problem. It is only a matter of time before they wake up and start seeing the truth. They have a long way to go in terms of realizing what is going on, but a lot has changed in the attitude of the masses in the past five years. I would argue that the attitue of the masses has changed much more in the past five years than in the thirty years that preceded those five years! We have entered the most turbulent time in recent history, comrades!). [/b]
I totally agree. I believe the whole "Buck Fush" and "stop the war' and the whole anti-Bush stuff that is going on in the U.S. now is just the beginning. People are just barely beginning to see what is going on, and more and more people are speaking out... Imagine what the Left movement will be like in the future! Also, you are right, we have entered a most controversial and turbulent period of awakening in our time, comrades! This is the war of our generation!

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:27 PM
I totally agree. I believe the whole "Buck Fush" and "stop the war' and the whole anti-Bush stuff that is going on in the U.S. now is just the beginning. People are just barely beginning to see what is going on, and more and more people are speaking out... Imagine what the Left movement will be like in the future! Also, you are right, we have entered a most controversial and turbulent period of awakening in our time, comrades! This is the war of our generation!
It is amazing to see the rapid changes going on. I mean, before these five years, virtually no one seemed to even question the policies of the US government. Now the anti-capitalist feelings are starting to spread like wildfire. The US Bourgeoisie are pretty screwed right now, it seems, given that they don't have the means to invade Venezuela, and that the assassination of Chavez would more than likely just drive the masses that support him to further revolutionary action.

[ZACKist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 06:38 AM
An apology isn't enough. If the US really is having a War on Terrorism, they damn well better have it apply to everyone, not just the Muslims.
Sadly, this won't happen, and the most you'll get out of the government is quotes like "That is against the law... we don't do that sort of thing" - Rumsfield. The closest I've heard to an "apology" was someone in the US congress I believe saying that Robertson's talk was "inappropriate". That is all though.

You have to understand, this government was elected by such followers as Robertson and his crew. Nothing will happen to him, and it will all go under "he has the freedom to say whatever he wants". However, this is complete hypocracy as anyone with a mind could grasp. Robertson DOES --scary as it is.. that's why Bush was re-elected-- have sway in the voting America. That in itself is reason enough to put him responsible for terrorist speach.

[Axel1917]

Originally posted by ZACKist+Aug 25 2005, 04:48 PM--> (ZACKist @ Aug 25 2005, 04:48 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 06:38 AM
An apology isn't enough. If the US really is having a War on Terrorism, they damn well better have it apply to everyone, not just the Muslims.
Sadly, this won't happen, and the most you'll get out of the government is quotes like "That is against the law... we don't do that sort of thing" - Rumsfield. The closest I've heard to an "apology" was someone in the US congress I believe saying that Robertson's talk was "inappropriate". That is all though.

You have to understand, this government was elected by such followers as Robertson and his crew. Nothing will happen to him, and it will all go under "he has the freedom to say whatever he wants". However, this is complete hypocracy as anyone with a mind could grasp. Robertson DOES --scary as it is.. that's why Bush was re-elected-- have sway in the voting America. That in itself is reason enough to put him responsible for terrorist speach. [/b]
We must remember that freedom in capitalist world means Bourgeois Freedom.

[danny android]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 07:22 AM
Bush killing in the name of god.. and that fascist christian.. teling bush to kill in the name of god


where is ur god know??
Looking down on those that claim him, seeing what they do, hearing what they say, and shaking his head in disquest. My God is very dissapointed.

[ZACKist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 04:49 PM
We must remember that freedom in capitalist world means Bourgeois Freedom.
Of course. I agree comrade Axel.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by danny android+Aug 25 2005, 12:58 PM--> (danny android @ Aug 25 2005, 12:58 PM)
[email protected] 25 2005, 07:22 AM
Bush killing in the name of god.. and that fascist christian.. teling bush to kill in the name of god


where is ur god know??
Looking down on those that claim him, seeing what they do, hearing what they say, and shaking his head in disquest. My God is very dissapointed. [/b]
:rolleyes:
*shakes my head*

[Hefer]

We need more strong leaders like Chaves all around Latin America; even if the yankies mange to kill Chaves. He will become a maytr and a inspiration to the revolution :hammer: . Looks like the yankees are starting to get worried :redstar2000:

[bolshevik butcher]

I think that it must be remembered that chavz isnt a one man band. he's the head of a mass mvoement. If they kill chavez there will be another socialist to take his place.

[Che NJ]

I think that it must be remembered that chavz isnt a one man band. he's the head of a mass mvoement. If they kill chavez there will be another socialist to take his place.
Yes, but he may not have the charisma or name recognition. Plus chavez's picture will be on as many billboards and t-shirts as che's. Nobody will ever forget him.

And has anyone heard that robertson prayed to god on-the-air, to smite as many supreme court justices as possible so more christians can be appointed by bush? He may not have been so blunt though.

[MoscowFarewell]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 25 2005, 08:23 PM
I think that it must be remembered that chavz isnt a one man band. he's the head of a mass mvoement. If they kill chavez there will be another socialist to take his place.
But not like Chavez. Even the his Vice prefers him in office, he's just a man with a true virtue, that what he does for the people, he actually does instead of saying I will this. That's like trying to find another Che. Yea, there is another, but that other's believes can be faulty.

[HornyNYCGurl]

Wow, this guy is a douchebag.

I turned on to Fox News just to see what the fuck they were talking about. It's no surprise they're pretty anti-hugo. This one dude on it made a fantastical claim that Hugo gave one million dollars to Al-Qaeda.

I can't believe how much trash gets on the air.

[Hefer]

Wow, this guy is a douchebag.

I turned on to Fox News just to see what the fuck they were talking about. It's no surprise they're pretty anti-hugo. This one dude on it made a fantastical claim that Hugo gave one million dollars to Al-Qaeda.

I can't believe how much trash gets on the air.

I won't be surprised if they start lying about Chaves & AL-Qaeda haveing connections; and have a excuse to invade Venezula and take her weath. wink wink ............:P

[Che NJ]

Calling people terrorists and and demonizing foreigners is fox news's favorite passtime along with talking for hours about missing person cases and compiling evidence that all of society will suddenly collapse in a demonic-leftist deviation from the establishment.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Check this out:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/...reut/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/08/23/chavez.gasoline.reut/index.html)

Pat Robertson sucks.

[Reds]

Isn`t there a chevez/castro backed candidate running for prez in bolivia?