Post-Revolutionary Criminal Justice

[slim]

I reckon that instead of prison there should be some form of labour for serious crimes such as rape and murder. It would be more of a detterent, do the country a favour, empty prisons, give more job opportunity for prison guards on the work sites and most importantly, could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state.

The work should be split into twelve hour shifts so that the prisons will only need half the amount of beds (of course bed sheets are changed in between).

Ideas?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 07:54 AM
I reckon that instead of prison there should be some form of labour for serious crimes such as rape and murder. It would be more of a detterent, do the country a favour, empty prisons, give more job opportunity for prison guards on the work sites and most importantly, could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state.

The work should be split into twelve hour shifts so that the prisons will only need half the amount of beds (of course bed sheets are changed in between).

Ideas?
so you want slaves?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Rape and murder should be capital crimes. Once you've shown the capability to destroy another human being's life, you should not be given any second chances.

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 04:31 PM
Rape and murder should be capital crimes. Once you've shown the capability to destroy another human being's life, you should not be given any second chances.
Murder is something questionable. What about self defence? How can you ensure that the person was murdered by this person?

What about accidents?

[MiniOswald]

Anyone a good writer? we need to get a new theory for post revolution criminal activities

and just so we're not off topic...... its not a sign of anything they are talking about us, doesnt mean we're a force to be reckoned with or anything like that, just means, theyve seen us and they dont agree, the scary white trash bastards

[slim]

Originally posted by organic [email protected] 20 2005, 03:43 PM
so you want slaves?
I see this as the best alternative. It is not slavery as they still have rights to food, shelter, life, free speech and all the rights that can be possibly allowed in a jail.

It would be better than capital punishment because it is an effective workforce that is using manpower instead of killing them.

It would be better than jail because after the revolution the amount of reactionary action may cause a rise in the term murder and thus the already overcrowded prisons would falter.

12 hours a day on a site (maybe three hours of breaks) gives a 48 hour week (judging they work for five rotary days and weekends do not exist as such, for some a tuesday and wednesday could be a weekend). This is fair i believe as long as they are not overworked or mistreated.

[slim]

Note: there is a draft judical system for debate in the theory section.

Enjoy.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 08:54 AM
I reckon that instead of prison there should be some form of labour for serious crimes such as rape and murder. It would be more of a detterent, do the country a favour, empty prisons, give more job opportunity for prison guards on the work sites and most importantly, could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state.

The work should be split into twelve hour shifts so that the prisons will only need half the amount of beds (of course bed sheets are changed in between).

Ideas?
I disagree.
Everyone who was a criminal in capitalism should be set free after the revolution.
Those who fuck up in our society can be judged by some judicial system which hopefully will be more democratic than the current ones. So in the end, it would be up to the people... but I would never advocate forced labor for convicts. Especially on a mass scale.

[slim]

I see labour as a good way to punish someone whilst they themselves have time to reform.

I have done labouring and i found it very useful for thinking.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by bed_of_nails+Aug 21 2005, 04:31 AM--> (bed_of_nails @ Aug 21 2005, 04:31 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 04:31 PM
Rape and murder should be capital crimes. Once you've shown the capability to destroy another human being's life, you should not be given any second chances.
Murder is something questionable. What about self defence? How can you ensure that the person was murdered by this person?

What about accidents? [/b]
Premeditated murder is usually fairly obvious - murderers are usually less unscathed than those who have had to kill another out of self-defence. Interviews and investigations are pretty good ways of determining motives. Accidents tend to be obvious as well - even after an an initial panic when an accident occurs, people hand themselves in. Otherwise it looks like a murder.

Plus you have witnesses (Unreliable unless you have them in large numbers - think public places) and forensics. It really isn't hard nowadays to determine guilt.

[Donnie]

I reckon that instead of prison there should be some form of labour for serious crimes such as rape and murder. It would be more of a detterent, do the country a favour, empty prisons, give more job opportunity for prison guards on the work sites and most importantly, could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state
You're joking right, sounds familiar to gulags that they had in Russia if you ask me.

The crimes that will be committed in communism will not be the same as the ones that occur in capitalism.
There will be no property theft as property is owned by all and rape would not be as common as it’s normally a power issue. People rape because they want to feel like their are in control of things or the rapist is himself bossed around and so does not hold any power. However if there is equality in power and wealth like communism then things like theft and rape are less likely to happen. The only way in which a person would rape someone is because they are not lets say the “average” individual (if you know what I mean) and therefore something must have happened to make them want to do such a vile crime; maybe the individual is mentally unstable etc.

Rehabilitation in a friendly environment is the best option, shoving them in prison or sending them off to a slave labour camp is the same thing and it won't work it's just going to make them more bitter at the system; that’s how you create reactionaries.


could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state.
I guess I'd be a criminal in you're society as I'd not do duty for the state; I'd only work for the community not for the state. A basis of federalism would be much better than a state.

[Reds]

I would like to see reducation and indoctronation.

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:54 PM
I reckon that instead of prison there should be some form of labour for serious crimes such as rape and murder. It would be more of a detterent, do the country a favour, empty prisons, give more job opportunity for prison guards on the work sites and most importantly, could reform the prisoners with a sense of duty for the state.

The work should be split into twelve hour shifts so that the prisons will only need half the amount of beds (of course bed sheets are changed in between).

Ideas?
These sort of comments frighten me. In an authentic communist society there wouldn't be a state to worship, and such crimes would be rare. You seem to be forgetting that these people would actually have a reason for doing what they did. If such a thing happened, it would be clear that there was still something wrong with society [i.e not allowing everyone necessary freedom], rather than the individual alone. As a result these people should be helped, rather than punished. As a communist I didn’t think that you would believe the propaganda that human nature is innately "bad". As a result I cannot understand, let alone support, this odd grasp for power over the rest of society.

[Enragé]

i agree, but we're not talking about communist society, but a socialist one (post revolutionary). And untill the world is fully socialist, communism cannot exist.

[saint max]

perhaps we could actually have anarchy, and respect each autonomous community and individuals actions and will to deal with 'fucked up shit' however they deem fit? And intervene where we don't.

We're talking about theory on criminal justice after the rev...Does'nt this just seem a bit ridiculous? I was hoping the thread was about 'post-revolutionary criminality' maybeing arguing that revolution is obsolete. That should would be a lot more interesting.

*cough*anarcho-liberals*cough*

cheers,
-max

[Enragé]

Originally posted by saint [email protected] 22 2005, 11:56 PM
perhaps we could actually have anarchy, and respect each autonomous community and individuals actions and will to deal with 'fucked up shit' however they deem fit? And intervene where we don't.

We're talking about theory on criminal justice after the rev...Does'nt this just seem a bit ridiculous? I was hoping the thread was about 'post-revolutionary criminality' maybeing arguing that revolution is obsolete. That should would be a lot more interesting.

*cough*anarcho-liberals*cough*

cheers,
-max
hahaha

how can revolution be obsolete?

thats like saying change is obsolete.

(revolution is just a word for fast, radical change)

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 11:52 PM
i agree, but we're not talking about communist society, but a socialist one (post revolutionary). And untill the world is fully socialist, communism cannot exist.

We don't believe in this phase, remember.

:lol:

[Enragé]

Originally posted by bombeverything+Aug 23 2005, 12:36 AM--> (bombeverything @ Aug 23 2005, 12:36 AM)
[email protected] 22 2005, 11:52 PM
i agree, but we're not talking about communist society, but a socialist one (post revolutionary). And untill the world is fully socialist, communism cannot exist.

We don't believe in this phase, remember.

:lol: [/b]
haha ok thats true. It would be great to simply skip the phase yes and i hope its possible.

but still even if you try to establish communism from the outset, you are going to have some problems anyway (reactionaries, foreign involvement), also the people who grew up with greed propagated all around them will be the inhabitants of such an area (i wont say state ;) ) so some are bound to still have the idea of "i have to take as much as i can from my "comrades""