Al Qaeda's Plan

[Matty_UK]

This guy who spent time in jail with Zarqawi claims Zarqawi told him the plan for AQ's domination of the world. It's quite scary especially as Bush seems to be playing into the hands of them and their plans seem to be going to schedule.

The full article is here. http://service.spiegel.de/cache/internatio...,369448,00.html (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,369448,00.html)





The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington to the fall of Baghdad in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the Islamic world and thereby "awakening" Muslims. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind al-Qaida as very successful," writes Hussein. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The terrorist network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."


The Second Phase "Opening Eyes" is, according to Hussein's definition, the period we are now in and should last until 2006. Hussein says the terrorists hope to make the western conspiracy aware of the "Islamic community." Hussein believes this is a phase in which al-Qaida wants an organization to develop into a movement. The network is banking on recruiting young men during this period. Iraq should become the center for all global operations, with an "army" set up there and bases established in other Arabic states.


The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on Syria," prophesies Hussein, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Iraq. Attacks on Turkey and -- even more explosive -- in Israel are predicted. Al-Qaida's masterminds hope that attacks on Israel will help the terrorist group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Iraq, such as Jordan, are also in danger.


The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.


The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.


The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.


The Seventh Phase This final stage is described as "definitive victory." Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "one-and-a-half billion Muslims," the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war shouldn't last longer than two years.

[Forward Union]

fight between the believers and the non-believers

If it gets to this, they'll loose. There are more non-muslim extremists than there are muslim extremists.

Emphasis on extremists, as non muslim extremists also include liberal/contemporary Muslims

[Colombia]

I can see them being able to accomplish all but the 5th phase. No way they could hope to go fight against every non-Muslim in the world and expect to win.

[slim]

When you have control of half of the worlds oil, mercenaries come into play. A rich Al-Quida could employ many thousands of soldiers in true caliph tradition; they could also employ the help of many "insiders" within the west who could cause more trouble behind lines than any army could.

[Forward Union]

Well, its fairly practical, but starts to break down at 3. The only way they could really do anything is if they managed to recruit shit loads of people. I can't see it happening, yes there is increasing terrorism in Iraq, I don't think much of it is Al queida, many Terrorist groups oppose each other aswell.

Interesting read though.

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 12:18 PM
When you have control of half of the worlds oil, mercenaries come into play. A rich Al-Quida could employ many thousands of soldiers in true caliph tradition; they could also employ the help of many "insiders" within the west who could cause more trouble behind lines than any army could.
Who are they going to sell the oil to? themselves? :P

[Amusing Scrotum]

What a load of poop.

1. Al-Qaida is a fictious organisation, with no members and no network.

2. Current active Extremeists groups are very arrogant, meaning they will never agree with other extremists groups, to the level needed to create an army.

3. If, in a quirk of fate, they manage to capture a Middle Eastern Country/ies. These countries would become pretty dreadful under isolation and embargo. Other than oil, there is a lack of the natural resources needed to create a functioning army.

4. They will find it hard to draw the line at killing non-believers, they will eventually turn on Liberal Muslims, then slighly Conservative Muslims and so on. Until it is just them left.

5. How much is the guy in jail with Zarqawi getting paid to mouth off. It serves Impearialist purposes for crap like this to come out. In order to decrease objections to war within their own countries.
The guy making a statement is as believable as someone on this board saying there will be mass revolution in America by 2010. Unlikely at best.

All I'd say is take things like this with a pinch of salt, they are a complete load of plop. :rolleyes:

[viva le revolution]

It sounds unbelievable at best. People do forget one thing, Islamic terrorism is not a vast global conspiracy, it arises out of local conditions and as a reaction to local circumstances.
For reasons of simplicity i will list all muslim militant organizations, not reflecting my own belief on whether they are terrorist or not,
1. Hizbollah rose because of the occupation of Lebanon by Israel.

2. Hamas rose out of the occupation of Palestine by Israel.

3. The muslim brotherhood in Egypt arose out the occupation of Egypt by Bitain and Egypt"s puppet dictator.

4. The Chechen resistance rose out of Russia's occupation of Chechnya.

5. the Taliban rose out of the occupation of Afghanistan by the soviet union.

6. the Iranian Mullahs rose out oppression by the shah of Iran, who was an american puppet.

For each organization and group, there is an event or circumstance that is individual to the region/country, all these groups are bunched under one name, following the cold-war tactic of grouping and demonizing the enemies, such as referring to the soviet union and the communist bloc as the 'evil empire'.
This name is just a ''bogeyman created to scare voters into voting for republicans or whoever can spew forth the most nationalist, jingoistic bullshit.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Well put Viva.

[Matty_UK]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 21 2005, 08:15 PM
It sounds unbelievable at best. People do forget one thing, Islamic terrorism is not a vast global conspiracy, it arises out of local conditions and as a reaction to local circumstances.
For reasons of simplicity i will list all muslim militant organizations, not reflecting my own belief on whether they are terrorist or not,
1. Hizbollah rose because of the occupation of Lebanon by Israel.

2. Hamas rose out of the occupation of Palestine by Israel.

3. The muslim brotherhood in Egypt arose out the occupation of Egypt by Bitain and Egypt"s puppet dictator.

4. The Chechen resistance rose out of Russia's occupation of Chechnya.

5. the Taliban rose out of the occupation of Afghanistan by the soviet union.

6. the Iranian Mullahs rose out oppression by the shah of Iran, who was an american puppet.

For each organization and group, there is an event or circumstance that is individual to the region/country, all these groups are bunched under one name, following the cold-war tactic of grouping and demonizing the enemies, such as referring to the soviet union and the communist bloc as the 'evil empire'.
This name is just a ''bogeyman created to scare voters into voting for republicans or whoever can spew forth the most nationalist, jingoistic bullshit.
The article was printed in a leftist magazine and says that provoking Bush to invade Iraq was part of Al Quedas plan; hardly something for nationalistic republican Americans.

And although Al Queda is decentralised, that does not mean it is not an organisation. Terrorist attacks in the name of AQ do happen, and they are seperate to all the organisations you have listed; AQ is just another that has rose out of resentment to constant western interference in Arab affairs. AQ does exist, and it has members like Zarqawi and Zawahiri; if you look at the plan, it's very vague and does not require massive organisation, and it is a fact that Iraq has become a terrorist training ground and recruiting centre since the toppling of Saddam. And what else would the next logical stage be after this? And if provoking a response from America, or rather helping them along in getting the public to agree to invade Iraq, wasn't the aim of 9/11 what was?

[Amusing Scrotum]

I suggest you watch a documentary called the "Power of Nightmares." It explains how Islamic Extremism is blown out of all proportions by both the Americans and the Extremists in order to help their political causes.
Trust me on this, its all smoke and mirrors.

[Severian]

This is more or less similar to other stuff that's been put out about al-Qaeda's strategy, and more or less fits with stuff they and similar groups have said.

It's the same ideas that have always been used to argue for terrorism, the "spark" and "provoked repression" theories only on an even wider scale.

"Provoked repression" always worked great...at increasing repression, or in this case at increasing U.S. intervention in the Muslim countries. It never worked so great at overthrowing the repressive regimes....urban guerilla action in 70s South America is a good example.

The "spark" occasionally has a spectacular success, in sparking a broader uprising which was already coming, under the surface...it's advocates always forget the other 500 times it didn't work at all.

Al-Qaeda is born out of the frustration over "Islamic" groups' failure to overthrow the pro-U.S. repressive regime, over decades...so al-Qaeda attempts to get there indirectly, by sparking confrontation with Washington and Tel Aviv directly. But where broader-based Islamist groups have failed, the deliberately narrow al-Qaeda has no chance at all of leading a mass movement to overthrow any of the Arab governments.

Zarqawi himself once acknowledged this in discussing al-Qaeda strategy in Iraq...he pointed out it was essential to act quickly, before a client regime was consolidated, or otherwise Iraq would end up like other failed jihads against national governments considered un-Islamic...

Zarqawi wrote:

When the Americans withdraw from these regions, and they have already started doing so, and their place has been taken by these agents [the Shiites], and by those who are fatefully connected to the people of this land, what will our situation be if we fight them [the Shiites] ("and it is necessary to fight them")? There will only be two possibilities before us.

1. We could fight them. This step is attended with difficulty because of the gap that would open up between us and the people of this land, for [they will say] how could we fight their sons and nephews, and with what justification?-- given the [apparent] withdrawal of the Americans, [even though in actuality they are] the ones who [will] guide the reins of affairs via their hidden bases; and [the Shiites will say], "Isn't it right that that the children of this land are the ones who rule over affairs with experience? This is the advent of democracy!" After this, there will be no excuse [for violence].

2. Or we could pack our things and seek another land, as is the repeated sad story of the arena of jihad . . ."
llink (http://www.juancole.com/2004/02/zarqawi-letter-and-fear-of-democracy.html)

So while this plan is at least generally accurate in describing al-Qaeda strategy, that just highlights how dead-end al-Qaeda strategy is....

[Axel1917]

From slim:

When you have control of half of the worlds oil, mercenaries come into play. A rich Al-Quida could employ many thousands of soldiers in true caliph tradition; they could also employ the help of many "insiders" within the west who could cause more trouble behind lines than any army could.

Comrades, we must remember that terrorists are counter-productive to their goals; they just end up alientating themselves from those that they claim to be "liberating" with their disgusting acts of brutality. Although they kill people, they are not going to be able to win. Their acts are a crime against the Proletariat, as they kill us, oppose us, and their acts give the reactionary Bourgeois dictatorships all kinds of excuses to tighten their grip on the masses.

[bolshevik butcher]

This si crazy, they couldnt ever really go to or beyond stage five. I dont think al quieda is really a world threat as they seem to be a small gorup of extremists, shunned by most muslims.

[Matty_UK]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 22 2005, 04:28 PM
This si crazy, they couldnt ever really go to or beyond stage five. I dont think al quieda is really a world threat as they seem to be a small gorup of extremists, shunned by most muslims.
Actually if you think about it, if stage 5 is achieved they have a huge advantage. I don't think they can possibly win, BUT they have a lot of fuel. The wests armies will have very low fuel supplies.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh, but i dont think they ever would reach stage 5.

[Xian]

Originally posted by viva le [email protected] 21 2005, 03:15 PM
It sounds unbelievable at best. People do forget one thing, Islamic terrorism is not a vast global conspiracy, it arises out of local conditions and as a reaction to local circumstances.
For reasons of simplicity i will list all muslim militant organizations, not reflecting my own belief on whether they are terrorist or not,
1. Hizbollah rose because of the occupation of Lebanon by Israel.

2. Hamas rose out of the occupation of Palestine by Israel.

3. The muslim brotherhood in Egypt arose out the occupation of Egypt by Bitain and Egypt"s puppet dictator.

4. The Chechen resistance rose out of Russia's occupation of Chechnya.

5. the Taliban rose out of the occupation of Afghanistan by the soviet union.

6. the Iranian Mullahs rose out oppression by the shah of Iran, who was an american puppet.

For each organization and group, there is an event or circumstance that is individual to the region/country, all these groups are bunched under one name, following the cold-war tactic of grouping and demonizing the enemies, such as referring to the soviet union and the communist bloc as the 'evil empire'.
This name is just a ''bogeyman created to scare voters into voting for republicans or whoever can spew forth the most nationalist, jingoistic bullshit.
Agreed

[redstar2000]

I am very much in agreement with Armchair.Socialism and viva le revolution...this great "world-wide plan" is purely imaginary.

As is "Al Qaeda" itself in the sense of any kind of coherent and well-organized conspiracy.

A lot of small groups with a lot of "big ideas" may have some limited effect on events...but I see no reason to expect them to unify on any coherent basis or plan any kind of wide-spread, coordinated and sustained attack on U.S. imperialism.

A bomb here or there in the "west" is just not going to get the job done.

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[timbaly]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 06:52 AM
The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 in New York and Washington to the fall of Baghdad in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the Islamic world and thereby "awakening" Muslims. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind al-Qaida as very successful," writes Hussein. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The terrorist network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."


The Second Phase "Opening Eyes" is, according to Hussein's definition, the period we are now in and should last until 2006. Hussein says the terrorists hope to make the western conspiracy aware of the "Islamic community." Hussein believes this is a phase in which al-Qaida wants an organization to develop into a movement. The network is banking on recruiting young men during this period. Iraq should become the center for all global operations, with an "army" set up there and bases established in other Arabic states.


The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on Syria," prophesies Hussein, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Iraq. Attacks on Turkey and -- even more explosive -- in Israel are predicted. Al-Qaida's masterminds hope that attacks on Israel will help the terrorist group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Iraq, such as Jordan, are also in danger.


The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.


The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which an Islamic state, or caliphate, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Western influence in the Islamic world will be so reduced and Israel weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. Al-Qaida hopes that by then the Islamic state will be able to bring about a new world order.


The Sixth Phase Hussein believes that from 2016 onwards there will a period of "total confrontation." As soon as the caliphate has been declared the "Islamic army" it will instigate the "fight between the believers and the non-believers" which has so often been predicted by Osama bin Laden.


The Seventh Phase This final stage is described as "definitive victory." Hussein writes that in the terrorists' eyes, because the rest of the world will be so beaten down by the "one-and-a-half billion Muslims," the caliphate will undoubtedly succeed. This phase should be completed by 2020, although the war shouldn't last longer than two years.
The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the seige of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 and the assault on Scotland Yard to the fall of Havana in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the underprieleged world and thereby "awakening" the proletariat. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind LeftistFront as very successful," writes Commandante Marcos. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The LeftistFront network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."

The Second Phase "Opening Eyes" is, according to Marcos' definition, the period we are now in and should last until 2006. Marcos says the guerillas hope to make the western conspiracy aware of the "prole community." Marcos believes this is a phase in which LeftistFront wants an organization to develop into a movement. The network is banking on recruiting young men and women during this period. Cuba should become the center for all global operations, with an "army" set up there and bases established in other leftist states such as Chipas.

The Third Phase This is described as "Arising and Standing Up" and should last from 2007 to 2010. "There will be a focus on South America," prophesies Marcos, based on what his sources told him. The fighting cadres are supposedly already prepared and some are in Cuba. Attacks on France and -- even more explosive -- in the United States are predicted. LeftistFront's masterminds hope that attacks on the United States will help the guerilla group become a recognized organization. The author also believes that countries neighboring Cuba, such as Haiti, are also in danger.

The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Marcos writes that LeftistFront will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated repressive right wing oligarchial governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within LeftistFront." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.

The Fifth Phase This will be the point at which a large regional communistic state, or one in the socialism stage, can be declared. The plan is that by this time, between 2013 and 2016, Capitalistic influence in the Leftist World will be so reduced and European states weakened so much, that resistance will not be feared. LeftistFront hopes that by then the socialist state will be able to bring about a new world order.


You get the picture. It seems scary doesn't it. :D

[Organic Revolution]

i dont get it.

[timbaly]

is that a joke?

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 07:34 PM
I am very much in agreement with Armchair.Socialism and viva le revolution...this great "world-wide plan" is purely imaginary.

As is "Al Qaeda" itself in the sense of any kind of coherent and well-organized conspiracy.

A lot of small groups with a lot of "big ideas" may have some limited effect on events...but I see no reason to expect them to unify on any coherent basis or plan any kind of wide-spread, coordinated and sustained attack on U.S. imperialism.

A bomb here or there in the "west" is just not going to get the job done.

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I couldnt agree more with you. They think that they will win by creating fear. Sadly enough they are wrong.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Who thinks they will win by creating fear? The "terrorists" or the imperialist governments?

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2005, 07:18 PM
The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the seige of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 and the assault on Scotland Yard to the fall of Havana in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the underprieleged world and thereby "awakening" the proletariat. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind LeftistFront as very successful," writes Commandante Marcos. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The LeftistFront network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."
Neither funny nor serious. Obviously such a strategy never has been proposed nor could be carried out by any workers' organization, national liberation struggle, or anything else progressive in terms of the interests of working people.

While al-Qaeda and similar groups have in fact been acting roughly along the lines of this approach. That is, this describes their hopes.

[timbaly]

Originally posted by Severian+Aug 23 2005, 03:13 AM--> (Severian @ Aug 23 2005, 03:13 AM)
[email protected] 22 2005, 07:18 PM
The First Phase Known as "the awakening" -- this has already been carried out and was supposed to have lasted from 2000 to 2003, or more precisely from the seige of the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 and the assault on Scotland Yard to the fall of Havana in 2003. The aim of the attacks of 9/11 was to provoke the US into declaring war on the underprieleged world and thereby "awakening" the proletariat. "The first phase was judged by the strategists and masterminds behind LeftistFront as very successful," writes Commandante Marcos. "The battle field was opened up and the Americans and their allies became a closer and easier target." The LeftistFront network is also reported as being satisfied that its message can now be heard "everywhere."
Neither funny nor serious. Obviously such a strategy never has been proposed nor could be carried out by any workers' organization, national liberation struggle, or anything else progressive in terms of the interests of working people.

While al-Qaeda and similar groups have in fact been acting roughly along the lines of this approach. That is, this describes their hopes. [/b]
I was just trying to point out that anyone could say anything. If a revolutionary in Chiapas was caught by the Mexican government and was interrogated he could make up the most elaborate stories without proof or substance, just like Hussein has made up. The main reason I made the post was to show that there is no need to be alaramed simply because the plan appears to be going as scheduled. The LeftistFront plan I made up would never happen and the Al Qaeda plan for world domination will never happen either. Both plans are a lot of talk and really aren't plans at all, they are more like hopes and wishes of those who espouse them.

[Free Palestine]

First of all the only al-Qaeda cell to ever be uncovered was proven to be a front for the Mossad (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html).

As far as Zarqawi.. Ah, yes. The man who has one eye, one leg, and shrapnel all through his body can continually "just barely" get away from elite US special forces with total command of the immediate ground, total command of the air and with the support of our Iraqi allies...This guy must truly be superhuman.


US military intelligence agents in Iraq have revealed a series of botched and often tawdry dealings with unreliable sources who, in the words of one source, "told us what we wanted to hear".

"We were basically paying up to $10,000 a time to opportunists, criminals and chancers who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq," the agent said.

"Back home this stuff was gratefully received and formed the basis of policy decisions. We needed a villain, someone identifiable for the public to latch on to, and we got one."

The sprawling US intelligence community is in a state of open political warfare amid conflicting pressures from election-year politics, military combat and intelligence analysis. The Bush administration has seized on Zarqawi as the principal leader of the insurgency, mastermind of the country's worst suicide bombings and the man behind the abduction of foreign hostages. He is held up as the most tangible link to Osama bin Laden and proof of the claim that the former Iraqi regime had links to al-Qa'eda.

However, fresh intelligence emerging from around Fallujah, the rebel-held city that is at the heart of the insurgency, suggests that, despite a high degree of fragmentation, the insurgency is led and dominated not by Arab foreigners but by members of Iraq's Sunni minority...

Rest of the article: How US Fuelled Myth of Zarqawi the Mastermind (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/04/wirq04.xml)

Zarqawi practically dead (http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.171677412&par=0)
Zarqawi injury report 2003 (http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=1058)
Zarqawi's leg blown off 2002 (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/29/sprj.irq.terrorist.capture/)
Zarqawi seriously injured 2001 (http://www.e-ariana.com/ariana/eariana.nsf/0/AA2832208976266687256ED600452465?OpenDocument)

Superman!

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[redstar2000]

Good post and terrific graphic, Free Palestine.

The evil mastermind behind the Iraqi resistance concocts his diabolical schemes...from a stretcher! :lol:

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[rikaguilera]

I do agree with "armchair, and viva", but I do have a few thoughts on how an uprising could start. First, you have to look at the amount of people all over the world that are now harboring thoughts of angst against the U.S. (and those that help them/us) due to the invasion and destruction of Iraq. You have to look at the way Muslims are being treated all over the world (mainly Europe) for simply being Muslim. This angers and organizes a following. Just look at this site for an example of how like minded people search out eachother.. Now look at how the terrorist actions have taken place since 9/11. They have been planned and carried out for purpose each time. The bombings in Spain, and the election of new representatives to follow etc.. All of this, to me, just shows how a very small amount of people (the terrorist do not obviously represent all Muslims) can cause the world to stop and take notice. This fear that they generate also makes the world change its day to day actions. What would be the way to "take over" as described by the writing, they would have to hit the global economy. This is really not hard to do. Just think of what would happen if they did take control over, or destroyed the oil in the Arab countries. What kind of global effect would that have? The longer that the U.S. stays in Iraq for its own greed, the more people they get as followers. I do not see some "World Domination" coming from this, but I do see the possibility of hitting the world and doing in a way that would be more effective than any invading army could ever dream of. The havoc that could result is not like any war that has ever been fought. I can see too many resulting effects from such an action, that I could write another book., and If I can think of these things, don't you think "they" could think of these things as well.
I see a huge run on the world as very plauseable. I just don't think it will be in the form of a Muslim army marching down Main street. Just the destruction of the worlds economy.

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2005, 12:19 PM
I do agree with "armchair, and viva", but I do have a few thoughts on how an uprising could start. First, you have to look at the amount of people all over the world that are now harboring thoughts of angst against the U.S. (and those that help them/us) due to the invasion and destruction of Iraq. You have to look at the way Muslims are being treated all over the world (mainly Europe) for simply being Muslim. This angers and organizes a following. Just look at this site for an example of how like minded people search out eachother.. Now look at how the terrorist actions have taken place since 9/11. They have been planned and carried out for purpose each time. The bombings in Spain, and the election of new representatives to follow etc.. All of this, to me, just shows how a very small amount of people (the terrorist do not obviously represent all Muslims) can cause the world to stop and take notice. This fear that they generate also makes the world change its day to day actions. What would be the way to "take over" as described by the writing, they would have to hit the global economy. This is really not hard to do. Just think of what would happen if they did take control over, or destroyed the oil in the Arab countries. What kind of global effect would that have? The longer that the U.S. stays in Iraq for its own greed, the more people they get as followers. I do not see some "World Domination" coming from this, but I do see the possibility of hitting the world and doing in a way that would be more effective than any invading army could ever dream of. The havoc that could result is not like any war that has ever been fought. I can see too many resulting effects from such an action, that I could write another book., and If I can think of these things, don't you think "they" could think of these things as well.
I see a huge run on the world as very plauseable. I just don't think it will be in the form of a Muslim army marching down Main street. Just the destruction of the worlds economy.
Totally agreed, QFT.