Capitalism...

[Major. Rudiger]

Why do you think its still around?

I think we still have capitalism is because we can keep sustaning this system. That we can still waste our resources on this useless behavoiur untell its almost gone... Then were going to strap on the belt and forgut about class, or money, and start working together. Am I right? or can someone correct me

[Roses in the Hospital]

Because the failed attempts at communism in the early to mid twentieth centuary scared the bourgoisie into a tighter grip on power than Marx would have ever imagined. Similarly those failures disheartened the workers and iscolated any 'casual support' we may have had from the middle classess and the inteligentsia...

[OleMarxco]

Oh yeah, well, but we DO have "casual support" from the "Middle-Class Intelligentsia"....

...Real peaceful, whack-in're arse "casual support"! Shove your demonstration's and song-singin' where the sun doesn't shine, pal!
Sure, a few tone's from a guitar about their condition's help the working
class! Right as hell! :rolleyes:

[Roses in the Hospital]

Oh yeah, well, but we DO have "casual support" from the "Middle-Class Intelligentsia"....

...Real peaceful, whack-in're arse "casual support"! Shove your demonstration's and song-singin' where the sun doesn't shine, pal!
Sure, a few tone's from a guitar about their condition's help the working
class! Right as hell!

No we don't. The vast majority of people in the Western world think either communism is the same as fascism, communism is a good idea but will never work or have no idea what it is at all, at one time anyone would be able to evaluate Marxist ideas with an open mind, these days that's not the case due to the bad reputation Stalinism tainted us with. For any kind of revolution against Capatalism to occur we would need first to get our ideas into the heads of the majority of the people, and that means having support from influential sections of society, which in this day and age is simply not going to happen...

[redstar2000]

Capitalism is "still around" because it's still "working".

People will not see the need to overthrow it until it stops working for them.

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[Major. Rudiger]

Didnt I just say that from the beginning where that its still around because we have the ressources and money to sustain this wasteful way...

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 11:36 PM
Capitalism is "still around" because it's still "working".

People will not see the need to overthrow it until it stops working for them.

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also because the threat of revolution scared the bourgeoisie into making small concessions (in europe that is).

[Led Zeppelin]

also because the threat of revolution scared the bourgeoisie into making small concessions (in europe that is).

The "wellfare state" is the product of bourgeois degeneration and imperialist super profits, more importantly it is the product of the advanced proletariat of those nations. The "wellfare bourgeois" has dug their own grave, since they cannot "take back" what they have granted the workers, nor can they sustain what they have granted them.

[Vanguard1917]

Capitalism is still around because the history-making role of the working class - the revolutionary subject - has been undermined.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Marxism-[email protected] 26 2005, 09:25 AM

also because the threat of revolution scared the bourgeoisie into making small concessions (in europe that is).

The "wellfare state" is the product of bourgeois degeneration and imperialist super profits, more importantly it is the product of the advanced proletariat of those nations. The "wellfare bourgeois" has dug their own grave, since they cannot "take back" what they have granted the workers, nor can they sustain what they have granted them.
indeed, they are trying to diminish the welfare as we speak...and ofcourse, the left is growing once again.

there is however the threat of rightwing populists...

[sanpal]

Roses in the Hospital
1)



No we don't. The vast majority of people in the Western world think either communism is the same as fascism, communism is a good idea but will never work or have no idea what it is at all, at one time anyone would be able to evaluate Marxist ideas with an open mind, these days that's not the case due to the bad reputation Stalinism tainted us with. For any kind of revolution against Capatalism to occur we would need first to get our ideas into the heads of the majority of the people, and that means having support from influential sections of society, which in this day and age is simply not going to happen...

redstar2000
2)


Capitalism is "still around" because it's still "working".
People will not see the need to overthrow it until it stops working for them.



sanpal
3)Modern bourgeoisie made a lot socialist concessions to proletariat during cold (ideological) war against the USSR to prevent social revolution in the West.

But the main reason is the lack of the developed theory (mechanism) of communist reproduction and distribution of means of consumption!!!!!!!!!!!!
I mean economic aspect.

[xchromerighty]

lack of developed theoryof communist reproduction and distribution of means of consumption?

What kinda claptrap is that?

Capitalism is around because it works. It ain't perfect, but nothing is.

Why does it work? It works because it recognizes man's inherrent selfishness and attempts to deal with it fairly. Communism assumes that everybody is gonna bust his arse for the collective good. Problem is, most don't.

[Decolonize The Left]

It works because it recognizes man's inherrent selfishness

Since we do not, and cannot know what is "human nature", if it even exists, this point is moot and irrelevant.


Communism assumes that everybody is gonna bust his arse for the collective good. Problem is, most don't.

Absolutely correct, in a capitalist society that is. Many people don't do shit under capitalism, why? Because they can. They are exploiting other people to do work for them.

As for the general question about capitalism, I think many fine points have been addressed, but I'd like to point out on that hasn't been mentioned.

Capitalism has also been around for this long because of it's nature. The nature of capitalism is to exploit, and to exploit as many people as possible without insighting revolution. Now at first this was more difficult, it had to respect "rights of the people" and stuff, but now it has evolved to work around it so it can profit even more. We not have a global capitalism which is like a parasite, it leeches one country and moves on leaving wreckage behind. And it won't stop until the left unites under one goal for the revoltion and masses all its efforts to the workers.

-- August

[sanpal]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2005, 09:18 PM
lack of developed theoryof communist reproduction and distribution of means of consumption?

What kinda claptrap is that?

Capitalism is around because it works. It ain't perfect, but nothing is.

Why does it work? It works because it recognizes man's inherrent selfishness and attempts to deal with it fairly.
If you try to criticize so don't repeat the arguments of your opponents.


Communism assumes that everybody is gonna bust his arse for the collective good. Problem is, most don't.

What everybody who needs communism intend "to bust his arse for the collective good" for? Because of his "selfishness" not to be as exploited individual.


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