Punk is dead [Archive]

infernomunky

20th August 2005, 02:01

punks not dead.....just the people who created it........
.....the movement created by "punks" of rebeling and living life as you want to live, will always be an undivorcable behavior of humans ...... it grows from the heart of everyperson when they first decide to move out of the parents basement.........the thing about "punks" were that the leather and the spikes was a very sexually broad statement to be making at the time by wearing it in public...it made them outcasts from the normal family drones and put themselves into their own class called "punks"......they were the dirty rotton little shits down the street who drank and partied all night making loud distubances.......they where hated and loved it because it made it all that much easier to say what they wanted with no fear of rejection........they were already "punks"
....punks not dead :P
...json

Djehuti

20th August 2005, 02:07

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:57 AM
One of the things that really pisses me off is when people don't understand that PUNK IS DEAD, and has been since 79! I severly dislike all the new "punk" shit liek green day.
-79? Punk was a baby at -79.
Naaah, I would not say that punk is dead. -77 punk might be dead, but the 80ties gav birth to new kinds of punk, Oi, Hardcore, melody, etc.

BuckFush

20th August 2005, 02:25

no, see punk was born in the 60s with the velvet underground, mc5, the dictators, etc. it lasted about 10 years, then people who started dressing "punk" (i.e. liberty spieks, safety pins, etc.) did it just to be "rebellious." im not saying that i dont like antiflag, misfits, etc. but they are not punk, becuase punk actually died around the time sid did.

the real punk bands included ramones, sex pistols, heartbreakers, mc5, iggy pop and the stooges, television, talking heads, the velvet underground, etc.

BuckFush

20th August 2005, 02:27

another thing is that all the "punks" are anti gay, which is really stupid because all the punk founders WERE gay. lou reed was, david bowie was, dee dee ramone was a male prostitute, wayne county was gay and eventually got changed into jayne county.

Le People

20th August 2005, 03:06

Punk is not dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Because it never was alive! :lol:

infernomunky

20th August 2005, 03:23

first off
all your saying is that you dont like new music that they call punk.....not punk is dead......thats different.........
and secondly not all punks are anti-gay .... now your steriotyping.....and thats just gay.........and the people that call themselves punks today mostly arnt....especially if they say their a "punk".....

........but i will agree that the early late 60 early 70 punk music was great....and its contribution to our music world today is astounding....
...and the little kids are just trying to imitate the influences and doing a crappy jobcant be mad at them......never yell at the little kid who puts on shaving cream to pretend hes a big boy like daddy......

Don't Change Your Name

21st August 2005, 17:33

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:43 AM
no, see punk was born in the 60s with the velvet underground, mc5, the dictators, etc. it lasted about 10 years, then people who started dressing "punk" (i.e. liberty spieks, safety pins, etc.) did it just to be "rebellious." im not saying that i dont like antiflag, misfits, etc. but they are not punk, becuase punk actually died around the time sid did.

the real punk bands included ramones, sex pistols, heartbreakers, mc5, iggy pop and the stooges, television, talking heads, the velvet underground, etc.
There's almost nothing that can be considered "punk" from the Velvet Underground, with the exception of things like "I'm Waiting For The Man".

Same about the Talking Heads.

brickshithouse

21st August 2005, 18:10

PUNK NEVER DIED...
it was a movement with a soundtrack which still sounds of angry youth as it did then... rage at society and its labels which you seem to lump a varies types of bands under one banner...

Redvolution

21st August 2005, 19:06

Who cares, we'll always have The Clash. :lol:

celtopunk

22nd August 2005, 01:40

I proclaim this thread not only stupid but also dead. Nothing more to see here move along.

EnragÃ©

22nd August 2005, 01:51

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:45 AM
another thing is that all the "punks" are anti gay, which is really stupid because all the punk founders WERE gay. lou reed was, david bowie was, dee dee ramone was a male prostitute, wayne county was gay and eventually got changed into jayne county.
no they're not

i could be described as punk

except for the fuckin hair

Anarcho-Communist

22nd August 2005, 03:22

Punk is not dead, what are you on!!
There are so many punks/punk music out there that it aint funny
Except for bands like Simple Plan :lol:

rage master

23rd August 2005, 00:16

imm gunna go with a quot from john lyndon aka johnny rotten ( the sex pistols) punk can never die true the new stuff calling it self punk isnt all to great but the ture greats like the sex pistols and The Ramones will never die
:ph34r:

Jesus Christ!

23rd August 2005, 01:34

The only people who say punk is dead are people who feel realyl hardcore about themselves and have huge egos. Green Day isn't the only punk band there are plenty of punk bands that sound exactly like the sex pistols if that's what your looking for. Who cares if "punk is dead" saying that proves nothing except how many sick old school punk bands you can name that were real punk.

We'reTheFirstToDie

23rd August 2005, 20:43

The sex psitols were and still are shit. They wern't real punks. it was all a publicity stunt put on by there record label.

Phalanx

24th August 2005, 05:11

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:45 AM
dee dee ramone was a male prostitute
What?!

slim

24th August 2005, 19:29

Punk as said many times before, is not dead. It lives on in music of other bands like the Hives and the Kaiser Chiefs. The genres may be different but when you hear it or play it then you can definately see the sex pistols, the clash and the ramones in there.

The truth is that any music that doesnt feature 20 minute guitar solos, that eventually drove people to start punk in the first place, and has some form of melody, is punk in nature.

I think when people mean, punk is dead, i think they are refering to the ability of punk to shock people. This is probably true in pop punk cases like green day who are good but not shocking. Im sure that there is still some good punk out there but its just a case for us to find. As for me, im happy with the clash for now lol.

Don't Change Your Name

24th August 2005, 19:50

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:47 PM
The truth is that any music that doesnt feature 20 minute guitar solos, that eventually drove people to start punk in the first place, and has some form of melody, is punk in nature.
?

"20 minute guitar solos"???

So, you mean, "Abbey Road" is a 'punk' album?

Che1990

24th August 2005, 20:58

Where I live in Ipswich, UK there is a local band who are actually quite big on the underground scene. They call themselves Red Flag 77. Red Flag 77 (http://www.geocities.com/redflag77_uk/homepage.htm)

Now tell me punk is dead.

bolshevik butcher

24th August 2005, 21:03

Does ipswitch still have a big undergorund punk scene?

Che1990

24th August 2005, 21:16

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 24 2005, 08:21 PM
Does ipswitch still have a big undergorund punk scene?
Not that I know of. It may do. It would have to be undergorund, Suffolk is a bit of a tory stronghold! Red Flag 77 are fantastic though! Every punk in Ipswich is proud to live in the hometown of The Flag! If I had some of their stuff to share with you guys then I would but I don't so I can't.

bolshevik butcher

24th August 2005, 21:28

oh i was going to ask if you had some samples. I'll try and check them out.

workersunity

25th August 2005, 12:27

you didnt even mention the clash, the first, and the best "punk" band that there ever was

Organic Revolution

26th August 2005, 05:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 07:43 PM
but they are not punk, becuase punk actually died around the time sid did.
because punk was doing heroin, DUUUDDDEEE. fuck that.

Stokey

26th August 2005, 19:26

Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
-CRASS

Punk is shite nowadays and the punks are shite. Discharge are the best punk band ever but the scenes pretty full of shit. There are a lot of good punk bands today, both anarcho and not.

Anarcho-Communist

27th August 2005, 08:39

The Clash kick arse!

celtopunk

27th August 2005, 13:48

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 06:44 PM
Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
-CRASS

Punk is shite nowadays and the punks are shite. Discharge are the best punk band ever but the scenes pretty full of shit. There are a lot of good punk bands today, both anarcho and not.
Oooohh! He plays the CRASS card. CRASS along with their rag tag band of followers have become the self-annointed arbiters of punk. They and they alone are uniquely qualified to judge what is and isn't punk. DEATH TO FALSE PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matty_UK

29th August 2005, 15:18

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)do+Aug 21 2005, 04:51 PM--> (El Infiltr(A)do @ Aug 21 2005, 04:51 PM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 01:43 AM
no, see punk was born in the 60s with the velvet underground, mc5, the dictators, etc. it lasted about 10 years, then people who started dressing "punk" (i.e. liberty spieks, safety pins, etc.) did it just to be "rebellious." im not saying that i dont like antiflag, misfits, etc. but they are not punk, becuase punk actually died around the time sid did.

the real punk bands included ramones, sex pistols, heartbreakers, mc5, iggy pop and the stooges, television, talking heads, the velvet underground, etc.
There's almost nothing that can be considered "punk" from the Velvet Underground, with the exception of things like "I'm Waiting For The Man".

Same about the Talking Heads. [/b]
Punk was an anti-commercialist minimalist cultural movement, not just a name for adolescent 3 chord trash. The Velvet Underground pioneered the concept of art over profit and of minimalism; punk grew out of this movement centred around NYC featuring fantastic artists like Patti Smith, Television, The VU, The Ramones. However it was the Ramones style that stuck, and the Brits made it into this big adolescent thing. That is where punk went downhill, punk died when commercial bands like the Sex Pistols became symbols of punk.

The MC5 and The Stooges were influences on this movement, but were part of a seperate Detroit scene, of which they were the only noteable bands.

There are "punk" bands like anti-flag going, but they are all a bit boring to be honest, and seem to be attempting to recreate their image of the late 70s, which is ironic because the only (good) explicitly political punk band was The Clash, who were trying to recreate Joe Strummers image of the 60s-and failed as it happened. But I suppose they are punk. But they shouldn't be. If Lou Reed, Joe Strummer, or Iggy were in their 20s today, do you really think they'd be in a band like Anti-Flag?

For an anti-commercialism artistic movement to survive, it has to keep evolving; fitting into a "punk" blue print just makes it easier for the Capitalists to emulate you and fool people into believing they're being counter-culture by buying Greenday albums.

As a side-note, punk was nothing new. Punk was really just a modern update of folk music; the music of the people, a way to express discontent, talent not being necassary.

Matty_UK

29th August 2005, 15:22

Originally posted by Chinghis Khan+Aug 24 2005, 04:29 AM--> (Chinghis Khan @ Aug 24 2005, 04:29 AM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 01:45 AM
dee dee ramone was a male prostitute
What?! [/b]
Lyrics to 53rd and 3rd are semi-autobiographical; 53rd and 3rd is the street corner where Dee Dee would hang out on.

The Grey Blur

30th August 2005, 17:18

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2005, 06:44 PM
Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
-CRASS

Punk is shite nowadays and the punks are shite. Discharge are the best punk band ever but the scenes pretty full of shit. There are a lot of good punk bands today, both anarcho and not.
A critical view of Crass

http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/crass.htm

Palmares

3rd February 2006, 03:01

Originally posted by celtopunk+Aug 27 2005, 11:07 PM--> (celtopunk @ Aug 27 2005, 11:07 PM)
[email protected] 26 2005, 06:44 PM
Yes that's right, punk is dead,
It's just another cheap product for the consumers head.
Bubblegum rock on plastic transistors,
Schoolboy sedition backed by big time promoters.
-CRASS

Punk is shite nowadays and the punks are shite. Discharge are the best punk band ever but the scenes pretty full of shit. There are a lot of good punk bands today, both anarcho and not.
Oooohh! He plays the CRASS card. CRASS along with their rag tag band of followers have become the self-annointed arbiters of punk. They and they alone are uniquely qualified to judge what is and isn't punk. DEATH TO FALSE PUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/b]
The "CRASS card" eh? Indeed among what could be called "puritan" punks, such a thing does come up regualrly. However, the point of attacking CRASS as trying to put themselves above anyone else as the most qualified to ajudge what "punk" is really ignores the real issue.

Indeed, the critical account of CRASS linked in the above post has it's merits, but again, really doesn't address the underlying issue.

You see, when you is talking about whether "punk is dead" or not, really relates to what authentic punk is.

This can be looked at in two ways:

*As a way of thinking (the inspiration behind the music)
*Or as a sound (style of music)

For the most part, the latter one cannot really be argued with. The sound still exists, though with differing forms. One thing that confuses the issue though is that a sound is usually created in reference to the inspiration (as in, the sound would give some depictation of the inspiration).

As a way of thinking, punk was created as a way of expressing opposition to something thought not to be able to say no to. Punk essentially has a vague definition, yet, in that way, it can be compared to the political systems that influenced it.

There is a joke I heard once that described punk better than I could ever do:

A punk and a hippie were walking down the street. The hippie says "So what is punk anyway?" The punk walks over to a garbage can and kicks it. "That's punk". The hippie walks over to another garbage can and kicks it. "Am I punk now?" The punk looks at the hippie, "Nah, now you're just a poser."

Esssentially, what this means is that punk is about creativity, innovation, dynamism, and the example of the hippie copying the punk alludes to someone copying a creative act, which in itself is not creative, but rather more in line with the homogeny of contemporary consumerist capitalist culture, of which the creative and dynamic nature of punk is diametrically opposed to.

As it was, it wasn't that punk adhered to any poltical system, but rather, found that it melded well into them, especially anarchism, and its subset, situationism.

But to put it more simply, an authentic punk (like CRASS) would protect the punk name from "posers" just in the same way a Marxist would protect their ideological name from reformists, and other similar ideologues that do not represent them authentically (for example, A "Stalinist", etc).

Does anyone understand what I mean?

Anarcho-Communist

3rd February 2006, 03:23

Punk is far from dead.... So long as the earlier artists music circulates it's still ALIVE, bands such as Rancid and The Dropkick Murphys are new punk bands but they aren't Pop-Punk. Bands such as Blink-182, Simple Plan and Sum 41 can fall under that category, but it is those bands that are ruining it for us that love the older stuff, and you say it died in '79, what about bands like the 80's crust punk Aus Rotten, they are still punk, and they are more recent then the pre-'79 bands.

EDIT

I understand where you are coming from Cthenthar, but people that call them self Punk's are often the posers, people like Good Charlotte that wear heavy makeup and dress like a punk dosen't mean they are, if you feel comfortable wearing abstract clothing then wear it, Punk is a form of hard-driving rock 'n' roll originating in the 1970s, characterized by harsh lyrics attacking conventional society and popular culture, and often expressing alienation and anger.

They attacked popular culture, therefore why would they want to promote pop-punk?

Punk songs are almost always in 4/4 time and use a verse-chorus structure, usually without a bridge. Songs are typically short: almost never much over three minutes, with songs as short as 90 seconds much more common than in most other forms of rock music. Instrumentation is similarly stripped down: typically just drum kit, one or two electric guitars, electric bass, and vocals.

The modern punk rock song is short and fast, but with a punching treble sound that differentiates it from the heavier thrash metal. It is usually aggressive and raw, with the band NOFX so desperate to return to that raw sound that they wrote and recorded their album Fuck the Kids in just two days, playing instruments unfamiliar to them and recording their first take. Punk bands usually try to stay away from overproducing their sound, usually using distortion to create the opposite of a clean effect.

3rd February 2006, 05:16

Punk is far from dead.... So long as the earlier artists music circulates it's still ALIVE

Don't forget to mention the punk bands that are still around today.

Bands such as Blink-182, Simple Plan and Sum 41 can fall under that category, but it is those bands that are ruining it for us that love the older stuff

How does it ruin it for you? Did it change the Dead Kennedy's or Black Flag's message? What happened here is the hijacking of the punk image for sale by corporations. The only way it would have ruined it for you is if you were in it for the image.

and you say it died in '79, what about bands like the 80's crust punk Aus Rotten, they are still punk, and they are more recent then the pre-'79 bands.

Don't forget the hardcore scene. Minor Threat, for example.

people that call them self Punk's are often the posers

That's a really horrible word to use; it makes you sound like an idiot (I'm not trying to attack you; anybody that uses that word sounds like an idiot).

Punk songs are almost always in 4/4 time and use a verse-chorus structure, usually without a bridge. Songs are typically short: almost never much over three minutes, with songs as short as 90 seconds much more common than in most other forms of rock music. Instrumentation is similarly stripped down: typically just drum kit, one or two electric guitars, electric bass, and vocals.

I wouldn't say so anymore. The DIY scene is where punk music is now. I haven't gone to any "classic punk" shows but I know some friends that are in a band like that. Most of the DIY scene here is experimental/screamo/metal. This scene is much broader than the punk scene of the 70's and 80's, and some would say that it isn't really punk, but I would disagree with them as it is founded on the same principles.

Because of the broadness of the DIY scene, there are a variety of different bands that are completely unique in their style and their message. A handful off the top of my head would be The Locust, Lightning Bolt, Render By Phrase, Welcome The Plague Year, Orchid, Melt Banana, and Le Shok (although there are many more. PM me if you want some names).

Rockfan

3rd February 2006, 05:34

Originally posted by Anarcho-[email protected] 3 2006, 03:42 PM
]Blink-182.
Lets not slam Blink, Travis is probly a better drummer than anyone from an underground band. All I really have to say is Idon't think punk is dead. I'm not a hardout punk fan but I do like the clash, remones etc and newer stuff, rise against anti-flag, I haven't heard all that much crust or underground stuff but I'm sure it's prity good. Saying punk is dead is like saying countrys dead.

Anarcho-Communist

3rd February 2006, 06:00

Don't forget to mention the punk bands that are still around today.

I didn't forget the more recent punk bands, I just didn't mention them, some of the recent punk isn't too bad, but a lot of people now days are being brainwashed with what the think is real punk but it isn't

How does it ruin it for you? Did it change the Dead Kennedy's or Black Flag's message? What happened here is the hijacking of the punk image for sale by corporations. The only way it would have ruined it for you is if you were in it for the image.

I'm not in it for the image, I'm in it for the music that is under the heading "PUNK" not stuff that is just a group of people wearing what they call punk clothes and make up and classifying themselves as punk, they are hijacking the punk image for sale by corporations as you said

Don't forget the hardcore scene. Minor Threat, for example.

Don't forget all the other band's I forgot to mention, even band's that were still going from pre '79

That's a really horrible word to use; it makes you sound like an idiot (I'm not trying to attack you; anybody that uses that word sounds like an idiot).

I hate the word also, but that was the only way I could put it for some peoples brains to comprehend, but to make you happy I shall refrain from using it

I wouldn't say so anymore. The DIY scene is where punk music is now. I haven't gone to any "classic punk" shows but I know some friends that are in a band like that. Most of the DIY scene here is experimental/screamo/metal. This scene is much broader than the punk scene of the 70's and 80's, and some would say that it isn't really punk, but I would disagree with them as it is founded on the same principles.

I understand what you mean, the fact that most of the band's now day's don't all fall under one category as they once did, there's a lot more sub-genres of punk now than there ever used to be, Oi! punk, Crust punk, Anarcho punk, Street punk and many more, I'm in a band that is Celtic punk, we are going for the old style of punk with a newer Celtic sound e.g. The Dropkick Murphys, but yes all punk is still based from the roots when it first began

deak

3rd February 2006, 06:28

first off, i wonder if th poster of this thread trolls much but I'll bite....

Rancid was the Greenday of punk before Greenday came out. When Rancid came out pretty much every punk called them a bunch of wanna-be's. I believe they were the first "punk band" to be on MTV. Timebomb i believe. I could be wrong tho.

Regardless, punk did not die with Sid. Some of the best punk came out of the 80's and 90's such as Fugazi, Suicidal Tendancies, Sleater Kinney, Dead Milkmen (the best!), Bad Religion, need i go on? There is still real punk being produced, it's just that if you are expecting to find it on MTV or the radio you will be sorely dissapointed. Just like every art form, from shit ass wanna-be rappers to shitty nu-metal groups, the cooperate music industry has coopted any form of legitimate music in order to make a profit. Instead of taking their mass produced shit and then calling it punk, therefore claiming that punk is dead (because yes, if Blink-182 was PUNK ROCK then I'd agree), don't listen to the shit and support underground artists.

I'd suggest a few, but unfortunatley my knowledge of Punk ended around 1996. I guess I could suggest Blood On the Wall but they may be more post-punk (not that classifications mean much) ala Pixies, Sonic Youth etc. In fact if you were to ask me, rock as a whole began to suck around the time the grunge scene died (no i don't want a debate on whether grunge is dead, because the SCENE is), although some of the new indie rock is decent. But I digress, and show my unhippness by not being able to relate to newer music. Punk won't die until there aren't any more pissed off kids living on the streets with grungy dogs tied up on shoelaces (j/k). But don't expect MTV or Clear Channel to keep anything alive for ya, they are vampires.

and just for the record: I WILL SLAM BLINK. They are whiny little pretty boys. I can pretty much say that if you win the Teen Choice Award, your street credability suffers just a tad. I could be wrong. I mean Tupac once did an episode of the OC, but I think he shot 8 people on the way to the filming so I guess it evens out.

Rockfan

3rd February 2006, 06:41

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 06:47 PM
and just for the record: I WILL SLAM BLINK. They are whiny little pretty boys. I can pretty much say that if you win the Teen Choice Award, your street credability suffers just a tad. I could be wrong. I mean Tupac once did an episode of the OC, but I think he shot 8 people on the way to the filming so I guess it evens out.
meh whatever dude, he's just a good drummer thts all I said. As for what you said about grunge, your spot on, oh grunge, how I love it.

deak

3rd February 2006, 07:25

meh whatever dude, he's just a good drummer thts all I said. As for what you said about grunge, your spot on, oh grunge, how I love it.

Seriously, I was just being lighthearted about it. Honestly, I don't think that BLink-182 is the bane of Punk rock music. I don't really dig it, but much of what they sing about doesn't really relate to me. I would never be so bold as to say that my oppinion of music is RIGHT.

Ok rereading my post, I was a tad bit of a music elitest with my whole Rancid comment. But I can redeam myself by saying that when Greenday's Dookie album came out, I was all about it. Does that redeam me? I don't know.

Rockfan

3rd February 2006, 08:35

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2006, 07:44 PM

meh whatever dude, he's just a good drummer thts all I said. As for what you said about grunge, your spot on, oh grunge, how I love it.

Seriously, I was just being lighthearted about it. Honestly, I don't think that BLink-182 is the bane of Punk rock music. I don't really dig it, but much of what they sing about doesn't really relate to me. I would never be so bold as to say that my oppinion of music is RIGHT.

No ones opinion is right, thats why it's an opinion. I don't care if they relate to you or whatever, |I just said I like Travis, lets leave it at that.

painted for war

3rd February 2006, 21:11

Originally posted by Rockfan+Feb 3 2006, 05:53 AM--> (Rockfan @ Feb 3 2006, 05:53 AM)
Anarcho-[email protected] 3 2006, 03:42 PM
]Blink-182.
Lets not slam Blink, Travis is probly a better drummer than anyone from an underground band. All I really have to say is Idon't think punk is dead. I'm not a hardout punk fan but I do like the clash, remones etc and newer stuff, rise against anti-flag, I haven't heard all that much crust or underground stuff but I'm sure it's prity good. Saying punk is dead is like saying countrys dead. [/b]
dave witte would run circles on that blink182 chump.

also, if anyone tells you "punk is dead man, it ended in the 70s! the sexpistols and the ramones and the clash man!" just walk away laughing while listening to your new Witch Hunt or Battle Of Disarm cd that you burned off the internet or off some p2p network or even purchised at a show off a distro/label ran by those "non-existent" punks.

Anarcho-Communist

4th February 2006, 01:09

How 'bout we leave it at:

PUNK ISNT DEAD?

RABBIT - THE - CUBAN - MILITANT

4th February 2006, 07:58

punk isn’t dead ..but it deserves to die .. it didn’t finish in 79 .. DK and Minor Threat where releasing good punk albums way after .. n The Casualties aren’t half bad

4th February 2006, 08:32

punk isn’t dead ..but it deserves to die

Huh??? :huh: :huh:

Ian

4th February 2006, 09:04

It's a dead kennedys lyric

Angry Young Man

4th February 2006, 16:31

the attitude of punk is, most definitely, NOT FUCKIN DEAD. if you say it is, then so is the revolution. punk brought anarchism and subversiveness to an uneducated sector and (temporarily) made people realise they were being exploited.

nickdlc

4th February 2006, 17:01

I personally only like the clash's first album and everything after that was iffy or just plain boring. For me though the buzzcocks are the best and their comming out with a new cd in march!

If you look hard enough there are still many wicked new punk bands comming out.

check out these bands:

the exploding hearts
the briefs
digger and the pussycats
the spits
the girls
clorox girls
the bronx
vee dee
the little killers
the distraction

if you have soulseek you should definately search for these bands. Punk isnt dead but classic punk is much better.

redchrisfalling

4th February 2006, 20:37

Punk can never die. Mainstream tries to kill it with greenday and emoscremo bulshit but there have always and will always be high energy unorthidox bands strugleing against the system and spitting out the best genre in exsistence.

YSR

4th February 2006, 22:37

I guess I don't think it's really relevent whether or not "punk" as a movement is dead. Individual bands will always have things that are considered punk-influenced. Individual bands will always define themselves as punk. It's fair to say that when certain bands (I cite Green Day, et al) as openly betray many of the original punk movement's ideals, they can be considered sellouts and trashy. But punk-related bands will be around for a long time.

And that's cool, because I like punk.

Commie Rat

5th February 2006, 04:39

The trouble with real punk (ie non-conformism) is that it has to be avant-garde to keep its edge, when every one dresses in torn jeans, has buttons and patches and has a mohawk they are all conforming to the punk image and thus antithetical

bloody_capitalist_sham

8th February 2006, 10:04

This guy is obviously the ONLY punk EVER. The king of punkdom in punksville!

Really, old people only say punk is dead because they are not involved in the modern punk scene and cannot grasp that punk might have change a little.

Unless you are talking about dress code, in which punk is dead, very dead. And thank fuck!

steel town boot boy

9th February 2006, 03:00

This whole thread is bullshit, to me, punk is alot like socialism in that it was an idea that developed out of a set of circumstances and changed with the people who were involved. Punk is made up by the punks and that group of people is constantly changing. American punks and British punks and Canadian punks and Aussie punk over to Malaysia where it is actually illegal to be a punk everyone brings something different to it and expresses it in their own way, every punk scene in every city I've been to has been a little different and the King of the Punx in one town might get his ass handed to him in another town. The only people fit to comment on it are people involved, ask yourself what punk means to you, 'cause its as good an answer as you'll ever get.