So I'm sure you've all heard...

[TheReadMenace]

Sorry if you went over this already, but I'm new, so please forgive me...

...but the IRA officially gave up its armed struggle against Britain. They've decided to struggle through the ballot box. :(

Being a huge fan of the IRA, I find myself quite depressed by this unfortunate turn of events. They should know, after 400 years, that Britain doesn't give two shits about their rights, and their votes are about as meaningful as ours.


Alas, that we should live to see such times...


Andrew

[slim]

700 hundred years

[Des]

they'll achieve a united ireland this way

[slim]

I doubt it.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think that the IRA in its current state was thrankly just a terror orgaization, and this can only benifit the republican cause.

[Commandante_Ant]

I'll be very surprised if this is the last we hear of the IRA. Yes the orders have gone out for them to disarm but how many will? I think there could be quite a few who break away and start the fight again.

A Republic Ireland would be nice but i dont know if it could exist....there's just too much bad-blood and history...its engrained in newborn babies of Ireland.

[Se án]

I do voluntary work for Sinn Fein in the 6 counties and in the south. But in traditional Provo strongholds the will to return to war inexistent. I'd don't agree with ending the armed struggle yet but on the same time it's something that has to be done to move the peace process on :ph34r:

[slim]

The war will continue as it has done for so many years. The provos may be gone but the catholics arent.

Am i right in saying the UVF and the LVF are fighting eachother again?

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 04:43 PM
Am i right in saying the UVF and the LVF are fighting eachother again?
Yep.

[slim]

Isnt Billy Wright the King Rat dead yet?

Oh well, at least theyre destroying themselves.

I find it terribly one sided. For years protestants were allowed to riot and burn through catholic areas. They dont even recognise the orange paramilitaries as terrorists unlike the IRA. The UVF prisoners usually receive charges like attempted murder and illegal arms dealing. The IRA on the other hand are full on enemies of the crown. Hypocrites in whitehall. Scum. No wonder there is terrorism, inequality.

[Se án]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 05:18 PM
No wonder there is terrorism,
I hope your not referring to the IRA as terrorists

[Enragé]

I RAN AWAY

sadly...this has become truth. Hey who knows, perhaps through peace independence can be realised..

if not, we'll always have CIRA, RIRA and the INLA on standby



oh and wasnt it 800 yrs btw

[TheReadMenace]

Sorry, it was about 800 years. I was thinking about the 400 years since the Irish people decided to rebel.

And as far as bad blood goes, I think that that has been ingrained in them by centuries of foreign dominance. The Irish are actually an extremely peaceful people, but through oppression they, like any other people, can be pushed to the furthest extremes of violence.

I don't think the IRA was really a 'terrorist' group, but rather an insurgent group. But then we could argue the nature of a terrorist and their motives and intent. The 'terrorists' that pissed America off in 2001 one were terrorists in the traditional sense, but their motives were the same as any insurgent group, albeit gone about a different way.

So I guess the IRA is a terrorist group. But they have, in my opinion, just cause, because after 700-800 years, no peaceful means have ever worked with Britian, because Britian isn't ready to give up one of her final colonies.

And if Ireland does become free (which I hope for with everything in me), she needs to become completely free, and not be tied down economically by Britain. That's the problem with Southern Ireland - it may be 'free,' but that's really in name only, because they're held by the balls by England's economy.

If only James Connolly were around. He'd shit a brick.


Andrew

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 07:07 PM
If only James Connolly were around. He'd shit a brick.
It's of course futile to say what Connolly would do, but his daughter Nora OBrien Connolly supported the Irish Republican Socialist Party, not Sinn Féin. :cool: So it's possible he wouldn't be that upset and would argue that it's time for a more social approach to the issue of partition.

[Dark Exodus]

Originally posted by Seán+Aug 19 2005, 05:34 PM--> (Seán @ Aug 19 2005, 05:34 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 05:18 PM
No wonder there is terrorism,
I hope your not referring to the IRA as terrorists [/b]
Any non-governmental orginisation who attacks civilians on purpose are terrorists.


I don't know enough about the subject matter to make a judgement but I can always set people who are just spinning buzz-words straight.

[More Fire for the People]

Any non-governmental orginisation who attacks civilians on purpose are terrorists.
The bourgeoisie and imperialist are civilians, but this does not justify the existance of their livelyhood.

[OleMarxco]

Well, if there&#39;s anythin&#39; to say here I&#39;m sure &#39;rit&#39;s from me, allright </ArroganceandGloat> ;)

Okay, first off, we shouldn&#39;t mourn for the loss of IRA. They&#39;re gone; Times are changin&#39;. Renember one thing; "You can kill a revolutionary, but you cannot kill the revolution". That also goes fer&#39;is "Revolution"....: I saw IRA as a part of the "push" (Yes, U2 will agree with me here, but who the hell gives a shit &#39;bout &#39;em? Sure, peace is good, but so is a united Ireland - &#39;tho "Sunday bloody Sunday" was the bomb...as a SONG, &#39;rat is&#33;); Perhap&#39;s not -THE- move to a new society, BUT, one of those many side-path&#39;s eventually leading there. The unification of Ireland under one-banner? Definately a temporary goal worthy of seekin&#39;, for the worker&#39;s there. And they should cast aside their religion&#39;s...it only divides. It doesn&#39;t need proof; If you ask, you are truly blind? Catholic&#39;s and Protestant&#39;s. But the method&#39;s of the IRA were not always to be saught after; I mean, heck, SNIPER&#39;s&#33;? What the fuck were they thinkin&#39;?

Anyway&#39;s, we&#39;ll keep the fight more fair. Handgun&#39;s, sure, rifles, sure, but exceptionally... SNIPER-rifle&#39;s? That&#39;s a little bit cowardish, and risky; You&#39;ll might even hit "a fellow Irishman" by accident&#33; Not everyone&#39;s as accurate in their eye-sight&#39;s. If only someone else, aside from&#39;e all IRA, takes up the banner, the "stafette pin", and brings a new generation of fresh spirit and different method&#39;s to do it, than them, then it&#39;ll stand a chanche. And I&#39;m not talkin&#39; the ballot-box here, people&#33; But I&#39;m not &#39;sactly talkin&#39; Project-Mayhem either. Perhap&#39;s something in-between...and not as shoot-frenzy happy. Keep those finga&#39;s of the triggaz people, that shit KEELS. "Patience and Caution" is plan A. Stick to that, and Plan B is kick some ass :P

[Enragé]

Originally posted by Dark Exodus+Aug 19 2005, 07:42 PM--> (Dark Exodus @ Aug 19 2005, 07:42 PM)
Originally posted by Seá[email protected] 19 2005, 05:34 PM

[email protected] 19 2005, 05:18 PM
No wonder there is terrorism,
I hope your not referring to the IRA as terrorists
Any non-governmental orginisation who attacks civilians on purpose are terrorists.


I don&#39;t know enough about the subject matter to make a judgement but I can always set people who are just spinning buzz-words straight. [/b]
thats a flawed definition. And the IRA did not do that.

A terrorist group is defined by trying to reach its goal by instilling fear in its enemy.
The list of these groups varies from Navodnaja Volja (russian revolutionary in the end of the 19th century) to the RAF to Al Qaeda.

It has nothing to do with attacking civilians, though that ofcourse can be used if one considers an entire population to be its enemy. Terrorism is not necessarily wrong, because making the bourgeoisie fear a revolutionary organisation might be a way for that revolutionary organisation to conduct its other non-terrorist operations without bourgeois interference.

[slim]

Terrorist is just a propagandist word that i used to show how the government can be biased. Terrorist, freedom fighter, irregular army tactics, non line formation, call it what you want lol.

I am a supporter of the PIRA of the early 70s. By 1975, they began to lose their definition and slipped away from leftist ideas.

I am a real supporter of the IRA of Michael Collins. They were legendary. My family spilt its fair share of blood and I owe being alive to them. If they didnt win the war, i would not have been born.

Long live the memory of Miceal O&#39;Collain.

Slim. HRA.

[Faceless]

edit: im a fuck-wit, see my next post

[slim]

The PIRA had a lot marxist supporters in the early 70s after the Goulding split of 69&#39;. By 75 these people were isolated from the IRA ideology and those who read connolly were viewed with suspicion within the ranks.

[Faceless]

Terrorist is just a propagandist word that i used to show how the government can be biased. Terrorist, freedom fighter, irregular army tactics, non line formation, call it what you want lol.

I am a supporter of the PIRA of the early 70s. By 1975, they began to lose their definition and slipped away from leftist ideas.

Please, they only ever payed lip-service to the leftist cause. The Irish government in fact armed the provos and helped to split them from the marxist OIRA. The provos have always represent the right-wing in the republican movement who seek national unity before solving the labour question.

As Connolly said:
"If you remove the English Army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain."

Provo terror has done what exactly? where are the successes and advances it has achieved? I am not attacking terrorism from a moral perspective, I have no concern for that. I am attackin terrorism, give it what other name you want, as an effective tool. The British Army will not recoil across the Sea because they were "terrorised", it has taken thirty years for the PIRA to realise that. What individual terrorism can do is to push the protestant workers in to the hands of Orange reaction or alienate the British working class who are necessary comrades in this struggle.

[slim]

I support the IRA of the early seventies because they followed general order one: protect catholic areas from protestant attackers.

Without the IRA to protect the catholics the situation could have turned into genocide. The IRA ended the biggest forced migration of people since the second world war (catholics into the ghettos of west belfast), they stopped the burnings of ballymurphy, bogside and clonard in 69&#39;.

They brought recognition from the international community of the unjust society the protestant majority had created. An undemocratic system of hatred and the dominance of protestant capital.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 01:13 PM
The PIRA had a lot marxist supporters in the early 70s after the Goulding split of 69&#39;. By 75 these people were isolated from the IRA ideology and those who read connolly were viewed with suspicion within the ranks.
so then the marxists founded the INLA

[PRC-UTE]

Originally posted by NewKindOfSoldier+Aug 20 2005, 02:55 PM--> (NewKindOfSoldier @ Aug 20 2005, 02:55 PM)
[email protected] 20 2005, 01:13 PM
The PIRA had a lot marxist supporters in the early 70s after the Goulding split of 69&#39;. By 75 these people were isolated from the IRA ideology and those who read connolly were viewed with suspicion within the ranks.
so then the marxists founded the INLA [/b]
That&#39;s correct, Seamus Costello, and his supporters who were in the Officials, along with some marxists who had no republican connections, like Bernadette MacAliskeyDevlin