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[Brokor]

You lose arguments because you have no standing.


Ban people such as myself, go ahead. You will still lose arguments and never leave the ignorant state in which you exist. ;)

The truth is everywhere. All over the world people are waking up and seeing the chaos and disorder that hateful, ignorant beings try to push off onto others, and they are fighting back.

Communism is a tool to destroy existing societies and governments in order to pave the way for dictatorships. It breeds ignorance, and it feeds off of class envy. None of you could even explain to me why you support it, without trying to blame some other society in the process. When one of you tried, he couldn't help but to lie blatantly, and when I confronted - (nothing happened, except that I was banned).

I MUST HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

That's ok. This is your forum. At least you heard from me. Oh, one more thing...I am not alone, YOU are the minority, we will never give way to communism and despotism, and WE WILL RESIST!

And, go ahead children....continue to attack mispelled words and grammar, and continue to IGNORE THE TOPIC.

[Commie-Pinko]

You know, you really should stop generalizing. Not all socialists are "scum." I am a socialist, and I don't hold all the same beliefs as the Communists and Socialists here. In fact, I frequently defend capitalism.

[Brokor]

Originally posted by Commie-[email protected] 18 2005, 10:13 PM
You know, you really should stop generalizing. Not all socialists are "scum." I am a socialist, and I don't hold all the same beliefs as the Communists and Socialists here. In fact, I frequently defend capitalism.
FDR claimed to be a socialist, yet had many "friends who were communist".

And just lookie what he did to America? <_<

[Brokor]

But, please don&#39;t get me wrong: I am not upset. I came to these forums upon my own volition, knowing full well what I was up against.

I actually am thankful that we "opposers" have our very own handy-dandy forum ;)

[fernando]

look what capitalism is doing to the third world, killing about 40 thousand children each day...great isnt it, cappie scum&#33;&#33;&#33;

But okay, normally I dont have that much problems with capitalists, debates etc can be fun, but you just seem like one of those morons who tries to look cool by trying to insult us here :rolleyes:

[Brokor]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:21 PM
look what capitalism is doing to the third world, killing about 40 thousand children each day...great isnt it, cappie scum&#33;&#33;&#33;

But okay, normally I dont have that much problems with capitalists, debates etc can be fun, but you just seem like one of those morons who tries to look cool by trying to insult us here :rolleyes:
Not really. I am pretty cool.

Your perception of capitalism are not clouded. Modern, out of control capitalism REALLY IS a scourge upon the world.

I, however, just do not believe that communism is the "answer". ANd I would love to tell you guys why, so long as the insults and STUPID attacks on grammar and other strawman arguments are left OUT of the discussion, and as long as it can be kept on target.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Brokor+Aug 18 2005, 11:16 PM--> (Brokor &#064; Aug 18 2005, 11:16 PM)
Commie&#045;[email protected] 18 2005, 10:13 PM
You know, you really should stop generalizing. Not all socialists are "scum." I am a socialist, and I don&#39;t hold all the same beliefs as the Communists and Socialists here. In fact, I frequently defend capitalism.
FDR claimed to be a socialist, yet had many "friends who were communist".

And just lookie what he did to America? <_< [/b]

FDR claimed to be a socialist, yet had many "friends who were communist".

I take it you don&#39;t know very much about FDR, he certainly was no socialist, he mocked and distanced himself from socialists, and they from him. You also seam to fail to understand what he actually did for capitalists in America.

I suggest you go to a library and read the following: -

Badger, A. J., The New Deal, (New York, 1989).

Freidel. F., (ed), The New Deal and the American People, (Englewood Cliffs, 1964).

Fried, A., FDR and His Enemies, (New York, 1999).

Hollingsworth, H. M., and William F Holmes, Essays on the New Deal, Arlington, 1971).

Nash. G. D., F. D Roosevelt, (Englewood Cliffs, 1967).

[Brokor]

I know everything about FDR, I studied the bastard for 10 years.

And you just walked into a bear trap. I certainly hope that your "Google" sense is as good as my volumes of books. We shall see, as soon as I am finished dictating.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 11:34 PM
I know everything about FDR, I studied the bastard for 10 years.

And you just walked into a bear trap. I certainly hope that your "Google" sense is as good as my volumes of books. We shall see, as soon as I am finished dictating.
You know, &#39;everything&#39; about FDR? I guarantee that is untrue.


And you just walked into a bear trap.

No, mate.

I certainly hope that your "Google" sense is as good as my volumes of books.

I ain&#39;t using google, those books are real, as is my course, as is my research and reading. You can look them up. If you want, we can wait 4 weeks until i return to university and have the entire national library at my disposal.

[Brokor]

Norman Thomas, for many years the U.S. Socialist Party (read Communist) presidential candidate, stated:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the
name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it
happened."

Just thought I would throw that in there ;)

In 1912, Woodrow Wilson became President. His chief advisor and
administrator was Col. Edward Mandell House, who was a proponent of world
government, a representative of the European banking dynasties, and had
close ties with the Morgan interests.

In 1912, House wrote a book, wherein he laid out a plan to bring America
into a world government. ("Philip Dru: Administrator", by Col. Edward
Mandell House, 1912; available at American Opinion Book Services, P.O. Box
8040 Appleton, Wis. 54913-8040). On page 222, he wrote: "...our Constitution and our laws ... are not only obsolete, but even grotesque."

His plan, and, to use his own words, "a conspiracy," would seek to achieve:

1. The establishment of a central bank;
2. A progressive graduated income tax; and;
3.Control of both political parties in the U.S.

What was House&#39;s goal? "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx". House, who
called himself the "unseen guardian angel" of the Federal Reserve Act, in
concert with the Wall Street and European bankers, convinced President
Wilson of the central bank concept.

Now that you have a little understanding about House and his intentions, let us move on...

Roosevelt declared it so by Executive Orders 6073,
6102, 6111, and also by EO 6260 on March 9, 1933 (as proclaimed under the
"Trading With the Enemy Act of 65th Congress, Oct. 6, 1917, and as codified
at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a, which allows the President exceptional control under a
"state of emergency") On April 5,1933, FDR issued this EO:

"All persons are required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933 all gold
coins, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them to a Federal
Reserve Bank, branch or agency, or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve
System." (see pres. proclomations 2038,2039, 2040 of March 6-9, 1933)

"The real truth of the matter is, and you and I know, that a financial
element in the large centers has owned the government of the U. S. since the
days of Andrew Jackson." --Pres Franklin D Roosevelt in a letter to Col Edward Mandell House.

President Wilsons most trusted aide, Col. House (Communist Party
Official, full time Spy for Russia and known as such to Wilson, FDR, the
FBI, the State Department, & others), 23 November 1933.

President F. D. Roosevelt had his own most trusted aides, Mr Harry Hopkins,
and Mr Alger Hiss, who ironically were well known to the US State Dept, FBI, Members of Congress, and others as full time members of the Communist Party of the USA and a spy for Russia&#33; Well known and tolerated and consulted on policy matters&#33; Why?

In 1942 Democrat Congressman Martin Dies, head of the Special House
Committee on Un-American Activities back in the 30&#39;s took his list of
discovered Communists who where in our Federal Govt at that time, to
President Roosevelt and gave the list to him, entreating him to do something about the Communists in office. President Roosevelt responded with:
"I have never seen a man who had such exaggerated ideas about this thing. I do not believe in communism anymore than you do but there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country; several of the best friends I&#39;ve got are Communists."

M. Dies continued his fight against Communist infiltration until 1944 when facing a "purge" by FDR he withdrew from the 1944 Democratic primary in Texas. {Well so much for tackling FDR}.

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Oh man. This is going to be fun. Let&#39;s start the attacks, now.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You lose arguments because you have no standing.

You are the one who doesn&#39;t know a thing about which they are talking.


Ban people such as myself, go ahead. You will still lose arguments and never leave the ignorant state in which you exist. ;)

You will not be banned unless you break the TOS. Stop your juvenile fantasising about being persecuted by the "Eeeevil commies™"


The truth is everywhere. All over the world people are waking up and seeing the chaos and disorder that hateful, ignorant beings try to push off onto others, and they are fighting back.

Hence the reason people become communist and anarchist.


Communism is a tool to destroy existing societies and governments in order to pave the way for dictatorships. It breeds ignorance, and it feeds off of class envy. None of you could even explain to me why you support it, without trying to blame some other society in the process. When one of you tried, he couldn&#39;t help but to lie blatantly, and when I confronted - (nothing happened, except that I was banned).

You are not banned, you are restricted; this means you can only post in this forum and any subforums. There is a difference.


That&#39;s ok. This is your forum. At least you heard from me. Oh, one more thing...I am not alone, YOU are the minority, we will never give way to communism and despotism, and WE WILL RESIST&#33;

Only Leninists propose a coup by a small minority. I am not a Leninist. I think "Ignoramus" is an appropiate label for you.

[Invader Zim]

I see you used Norman Thomas as a source, I am not going to look up the legitimacy of your quote, I trust you. However, it is interesting that Thomas also said that the new deal was an attempt "to cure tuberculosis with cough drops" 1. I note that the quote you provided does not specifically reference the ctions of FDR, my quote on the other hand, is right on the pulse.

1. Norman Thomas, Is The New Deal Socialist?, (New York, 1936), p. 5.



But my dear friend, i was under the impression that you were going to shock me with your superior research. You see, I am unimpressed, everything you have just posted has been ripped from sites (http://www.apfn.net/NWGov.htm) like this.

You have not cited a single word you have quoted, provided not a single source, everything you have quoted, is as such plagarism.

But my dear friend, i was under the impression that you were going to shock me with your superior research. You see, I am unimpressed, everything you have just posted has been ripped from sites (http://www.apfn.net/NWGov.htm) like this.

You have not cited a single word you have quoted, provided not a single source, everything you have quoted, is as such plagiarism.... so much for those books&#33;

Be original, I did not enter this thread to argue with the American Patriot Friends Network. I realise that its far easier to steal someone elses research and pass it off as your own, than actually sit down and trawl through numerous books, but don&#39;t make it so obvious.

[Brokor]

WHAT? I am still dictating. That was a little something for you to chew on. Now hang tight and sit still.

Oh, and btw, you still haven&#39;t refuted anything I said, just made silly claims that I copy and pasted from a website. You are still grasping for straws and I haven&#39;t even posted my text yet. You can CLEARLY see that it was copy&pasted, dork.

My other post was dictated, located here: http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...pic=39178&st=20 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=39178&st=20)

[Commie-Pinko]

I like FDR, even though I disagree with several of the NEw Deal Initiatives.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 11:18 PM
WHAT? I am still dictating. That was a little something for you to chew on. Now hang tight and sit still.

Oh, and btw, you still haven&#39;t refuted anything I said, just made silly claims that I copy and pasted from a website. You are still grasping for straws and I haven&#39;t even posted my text yet. You can CLEARLY see that it was copy&pasted, dork.

My other post was dictated, located here: http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...pic=39178&st=20 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=39178&st=20)
Can&#39;t you be a bit more original than parroting other people&#39;s work?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 04:20 PM
But, please don&#39;t get me wrong: I am not upset. I came to these forums upon my own volition, knowing full well what I was up against.

I actually am thankful that we "opposers" have our very own handy-dandy forum ;)
Perhaps you should stop using the insulting language then. This thread is reminiscent of trolling with an opening line like that.

Consider this your first warning and I am only making it a verbal warning because you don&#39;t seem particularly belligerent.

Attack people here again and you can expect anything from a warning point to a banning, depending on your offence.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:08 PM
Communism is a tool to destroy existing societies and governments in order to pave the way for dictatorships.
Yeah, sure - in fact, we have a secret forum here where we are indoctrinated into being good at being tyrannical leaders in the incoming revolutions in South America. And we invented communism just to kill people just because we&#39;re evil. Whatever you say, Mr. dumbass.

And by the way, I don&#39;t get what&#39;s the point of this thread, since you haven&#39;t been banned - you have been restricted. Not the same thing.

Go back into worshipping the "free" market, kid.

[Brokor]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Aug 18 2005, 11:50 PM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Aug 18 2005, 11:50 PM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 04:20 PM
But, please don&#39;t get me wrong: I am not upset. I came to these forums upon my own volition, knowing full well what I was up against.

I actually am thankful that we "opposers" have our very own handy-dandy forum ;)
Perhaps you should stop using the insulting language then. This thread is reminiscent of trolling with an opening line like that.

Consider this your first warning and I am only making it a verbal warning because you don&#39;t seem particularly belligerent.

Attack people here again and you can expect anything from a warning point to a banning, depending on your offence. [/b]
Well then you might as well stick a KNIFE IN ME, YOU COMMUNIST *****. :D


And feminists are all psychotic wenches who are being usurped to foment a plot to undermine the traditional authority and deserve to be dragged back to the kitchen by their stubby, G.I. Jane hair :ph34r:

And, by the way...


I was only ever being an asshole because I received the same treatment from your commie pals. I guess membership has its privileges. Like being able to post in all the forums where you can stroke each other off, and where nobody offers different points of view. Probably in fear of being attacked. Well, I hope you are happy and warm and content with your delusional philosophies.

Can any of you recall what Stalin did to the millions he murdered? How he starved them and shot them and persecuted them? I hope so, because the same is in store for you.

[KC]

Well then you might as well stick a KNIFE IN ME, YOU COMMUNIST *****. biggrin.gif


And feminists are all psychotic wenches who are being usurped to foment a plot to undermine the traditional authority and deserve to be dragged back to the kitchen by their stubby, G.I. Jane hair ph34r.gif

And, by the way...

Grow up.



I was only ever being an asshole because I received the same treatment from your commie pals.

Actually it was you who drew first blood when you called us all "silly little fucks."


I guess membership has its privileges. Like being able to post in all the forums where you can stroke each other off, and where nobody offers different points of view. Probably in fear of being attacked.

Of course there are different points of view. It&#39;s just that OI people aren&#39;t allowed because every thread digresses into "Communism vs. Capitalism" and no good debate can take place. If we were in fear of being "attacked" we wouldn&#39;t have OI.



Well, I hope you are happy and warm and content with your delusional philosophies.

Hardly delusional. You could&#39;ve stuck around and probably offered some productive debate. You could&#39;ve learned about what we believe and what you yourself believe, and could have bettered yourself. But you&#39;ll probably be banned for being disrespectful.



Can any of you recall what Stalin did to the millions he murdered? How he starved them and shot them and persecuted them? I hope so, because the same is in store for you.

Yes Stalin was horrible. But guess what. The USSR wasn&#39;t communist. Deal with it. And why is the same in store for us? Hardly any of us are Stalinist; most of us are against it.

[CrazyModerate]

Originally posted by Brokor+Aug 19 2005, 04:24 AM--> (Brokor &#064; Aug 19 2005, 04:24 AM)
Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 18 2005, 11:50 PM

[email protected] 18 2005, 04:20 PM
But, please don&#39;t get me wrong: I am not upset. I came to these forums upon my own volition, knowing full well what I was up against.

I actually am thankful that we "opposers" have our very own handy-dandy forum ;)
Perhaps you should stop using the insulting language then. This thread is reminiscent of trolling with an opening line like that.

Consider this your first warning and I am only making it a verbal warning because you don&#39;t seem particularly belligerent.

Attack people here again and you can expect anything from a warning point to a banning, depending on your offence.
Well then you might as well stick a KNIFE IN ME, YOU COMMUNIST *****. :D


And feminists are all psychotic wenches who are being usurped to foment a plot to undermine the traditional authority and deserve to be dragged back to the kitchen by their stubby, G.I. Jane hair :ph34r:

And, by the way...


I was only ever being an asshole because I received the same treatment from your commie pals. I guess membership has its privileges. Like being able to post in all the forums where you can stroke each other off, and where nobody offers different points of view. Probably in fear of being attacked. Well, I hope you are happy and warm and content with your delusional philosophies.

Can any of you recall what Stalin did to the millions he murdered? How he starved them and shot them and persecuted them? I hope so, because the same is in store for you. [/b]
I was not aware we still lived in the dark ages. Still eating with your hands, right? Take your authoritarian elitist bullshit somewhere else.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:24 PM
Well then you might as well stick a KNIFE IN ME, YOU COMMUNIST *****. :D
Brought your own coffin nails then? Well, no one will miss you.

That makes for warning point number 1.


And feminists are all psychotic wenches who are being usurped to foment a plot to undermine the traditional authority and deserve to be dragged back to the kitchen by their stubby, G.I. Jane hair :ph34r:

And, by the way...

Sexism huh? Count with me: 2 warning points.

Three more to go... unless the CC members decide you should be banned. Do you appreciate democratic action?


I was only ever being an asshole because I received the same treatment from your commie pals.

Okay; so what did I ever do to you? Nothing actually so... you are quite the hypocrite aren&#39;t you?


I guess membership has its privileges.

More like being a bigot, has disadvantages. Most of the restricted members are bigots; so you are in good company.


Like being able to post in all the forums where you can stroke each other off, and where nobody offers different points of view.

I disagree with people all the time and will sometimes completely change the course of discussion when I have the chance.


Probably in fear of being attacked.

Right; that is why I have challenged someone of every level of membership here at one time or another; because I&#39;m fearful of an internet forum.


Well, I hope you are happy and warm and content with your delusional philosophies.

Yes, my delusions of a philosophy based on reality are really comforting.
I am not brave enough to dilute myself, be dishonest and lash out at people that have done me no harm.


Can any of you recall what Stalin did to the millions he murdered? How he starved them and shot them and persecuted them? I hope so, because the same is in store for you.

Are you a fan of his work? I wouldn&#39;t be surprised.

[Brokor]

3 more?

Hrmm...


All communists are fucking idiots. They don&#39;t know what they are doing because they are too poor and jealous of rich people, and too lazy to get off their asses and work for a living. So, they blame the "evil capitalists". Funny, that. How they blame an economic system for their troubles and then offer a new form of -"Anti-government"- in exchange. Because we all know that "communism" is really a stateless and classless society where no big, uncontrolled government ever MASS MURDERS their people. We know that this just simply does not exist because the goal of all good communists is a stateless society, so the ENORMOUS, TYRANNICAL DICTATORSHIP that is MASS MURDERING THEM simply does not exist.

ok, two more...

Man this is hard.

Um.


Hitler should have killed all the bankers and communists, instead of blaming them for all of his troubles and actually committing the heinous deeds himself. (reminds me an aweful alot of the recent terrorist action going on today)

Oh, for the last strike, I just have to say that all women should simply bend over, take one in the ass, and have our babies, cook our food, and learn to LOVE IT, because GOD said so&#33; OK, OK. I just can&#39;t do the god bit. BECAUSE I SAID SO&#33;

(please ban me. This is just getting silly.)

[KC]

Might as well ban him. I mean he wants to, so you might as well.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 12:17 AM
3 more?

Hrmm...


All communists are fucking idiots. They don&#39;t know what they are doing because they are too poor and jealous of rich people, and too lazy to get off their asses and work for a living. So, they blame the "evil capitalists". Funny, that. How they blame an economic system for their troubles and then offer a new form of -"Anti-government"- in exchange. Because we all know that "communism" is really a stateless and classless society where no big, uncontrolled government ever MASS MURDERS their people. We know that this just simply does not exist because the goal of all good communists is a stateless society, so the ENORMOUS, TYRANNICAL DICTATORSHIP that is MASS MURDERING THEM simply does not exist.

ok, two more...

Man this is hard.

Um.


Hitler should have killed all the bankers and communists, instead of blaming them for all of his troubles and actually committing the heinous deeds himself. (reminds me an aweful alot of the recent terrorist action going on today)

Oh, for the last strike, I just have to say that all women should simply bend over, take one in the ass, and have our babies, cook our food, and learn to LOVE IT, because GOD said so&#33; OK, OK. I just can&#39;t do the god bit. BECAUSE I SAID SO&#33;

(please ban me. This is just getting silly.)
No; that was pathetic, you are just ripping off other bigots, I know you can do better.

An admin can ban this guy if they like...


Might as well ban him. I mean he wants to, so you might as well.

Alright; I just disabled his posting; as he&#39;s trolling.

[Taiga]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 09:17 AM

(please ban me. This is just getting silly.)
If you think that the discussion is pointless and you want to go away, just go. Why begging us to ban you?

[Brokor]

Originally posted by Taiga+Aug 19 2005, 06:27 AM--> (Taiga @ Aug 19 2005, 06:27 AM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 09:17 AM

(please ban me. This is just getting silly.)
If you think that the discussion is pointless and you want to go away, just go. Why begging us to ban you? [/b]
So my name is gone.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Brokor+Aug 19 2005, 12:35 AM--> (Brokor @ Aug 19 2005, 12:35 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 06:27 AM

[email protected] 19 2005, 09:17 AM

(please ban me. This is just getting silly.)
If you think that the discussion is pointless and you want to go away, just go. Why begging us to ban you?
So my name is gone. [/b]
Your name will still be here; you just can&#39;t post now. Bye-bye.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 12:18 AM
WHAT? I am still dictating. That was a little something for you to chew on. Now hang tight and sit still.

Oh, and btw, you still haven&#39;t refuted anything I said, just made silly claims that I copy and pasted from a website. You are still grasping for straws and I haven&#39;t even posted my text yet. You can CLEARLY see that it was copy&pasted, dork.

My other post was dictated, located here: http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php...pic=39178&st=20 (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=39178&st=20)

Oh, and btw, you still haven&#39;t refuted anything I said,

You haven&#39;t said anything, you have plagarised some other persons work.

You can CLEARLY see that it was copy&pasted, dork.

Then why didn&#39;t you cite where you got it from? Or any quotation marks, other than where it contains them within the text.

If you are so intellectually inferior that you require other people to actually write your posts for you, then this is not the place for you.