Mao and women

[Karl Marx's Camel]

I've heard rumors Mao used young girls/women like a commodity, and that he had many affairs, despite being married. I've also heard he abandoned his first wife while she was mortally ill. I do not know if this is true, and maybe you could explain?

I want to know more about Mao's acts against young women, how he viewed the opposite sex, even his own sexual life.

[More Fire for the People]

After researching for a while, Mao had three wives:
The first was murdered by the Kuomintang Army, the second died (I don't know the circumstances, and third was with Mao until he died.

Also,

Sources suggest that Mao did have other children during his revolutionary days; in most of these cases the children were left with peasant families because it was difficult to take care of the children while focusing on revolution. Two English researchers who retraced the entire Long March route in 2002-2003 located a woman who they believe might well be a missing child abandoned by Mao and He to peasants in 1935. Ed Jocelyn and Andrew McEwen hope a member of the Mao family will respond to requests for a DNA test. -- Wikipedia

Mao also had an arranged marriage but refused to marry the girl (he was at age 14).

Here is Mao's opinions on women,
http://marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/...d-book/ch31.htm (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch31.htm)

[Forward Union]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:53 PM
Mao did have other children during his revolutionary days
he certainly did "have children" :P pedophile!

[Clarksist]

Enable every woman who can work to take her place on the labour front, under the principle of equal pay for equal work. This should be done as quickly as possible.


He seems to be non-chauvanistic in his writings, but chauvanistic in his actions.

He also seems to be a communist in his writings, but a destructive totalitarian dictator in his actions.

You can&#39;t trust what he says. <_<

[Karl Marx's Camel]

He also seems to be a communist in his writings, but a destructive totalitarian dictator in his actions.

I agree he did hav efaults. But do you not think his policies were aimed at creating a dictatorship of the proletariat?

[bolshevik butcher]

No i certainly dont. A dictatorship of mao, not of the protaletariat. Yeh maos writings are reallt ironic.

[Clarksist]

I agree he did hav efaults. But do you not think his policies were aimed at creating a dictatorship of the proletariat?


His policies were not "aimed" at creating the DP. Mao was interested in the general capitalistic aspects of making his country a product producer.

He was bad at that however. The Cultural Revolution was a disaster of epic proportions. He just couldn&#39;t catch a break.

Mao did create a dictatorship... but it was over the proletariat, not of the proletariat.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2005, 05:12 AM

I agree he did hav efaults. But do you not think his policies were aimed at creating a dictatorship of the proletariat?


His policies were not "aimed" at creating the DP. Mao was interested in the general capitalistic aspects of making his country a product producer.

He was bad at that however. The Cultural Revolution was a disaster of epic proportions. He just couldn&#39;t catch a break.

Mao did create a dictatorship... but it was over the proletariat, not of the proletariat.
I disagree to some degree.

He was very revolutionary and always wanted to push foward the stage of socialism to communism. Communes were set up during the Great Leap Foward. Premier Zhou Enlai was the one grabbing his collar to tame his revolutionary spirits as far as I read from chinese books and documentaries from China.

The Cultural Revolution has its bads and goods. For its good, the revolution was GENUINELY aimed at purging capitalists and imperialists. Actually, to say it is a disaster is correct if you concentrate in terms of material gain (product producer in your words), because production really dropped to a minute level in that period. Spiritually speaking, it was a grueling process and people were euphoric, it was simply a piece of red sea..... but the cause was very leftistly revolutionary.

[Fidelbrand]

Answering NWOG,

Mao declared during his first speeches, " Women can lift up half of the sky". From his mouth, he pays respect to women and women did gain a much higher status after the revolution. No doubts about this.

In his privacy, i think he is a womanizer and it is like a revealed secret in China, especially in today&#39;s China.

Contradiction as he speaks ....... haha...

[Clarksist]

Mao declared during his first speeches, " Women can lift up half of the sky". From his mouth, he pays respect to women and women did gain a much higher status after the revolution. No doubts about this.


One thing, I will say about Mao, is that when China turned to Mao&#39;s dictatorship, women gained such rights that it pressured America to give its women more rights.

In fact, the one thing that the state-capitalist "communist" countries did was give a great amount of equality to those who never knew it before (women, minority races, homosexuals, etc.), and it forced the capitalist countries to catch up to not look evil.

[Fidelbrand]

yup yup.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Is it true he used to abused his wife(s)?

[Hachi-Go]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2005, 08:27 PM
The Cultural Revolution has its bads and goods. For its good, the revolution was GENUINELY aimed at purging capitalists and imperialists. Actually, to say it is a disaster is correct if you concentrate in terms of material gain (product producer in your words), because production really dropped to a minute level in that period.
What about the concrete terms of hundreds of thousands dead?

[sunfarstar]

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>>What about the concrete terms of hundreds of thousands dead?<<

Hachi-go:I must say as far as I&#39;m concerned, there were indeed many people persecuted in that period of time. I just want to ask"do you know what&#39;s the exact number of those people who have been persecuted to death at that time?" You obviously do not know. Neither do I.

Now let me tell you with great sincerity that cultural revolution is a national tragedy. China could have catched up with the First and Second World if it was not for the CR. The truth is we cannot turn this whole thing back and make it head for the better. The damage has been done. Now what counts more is to learn the lesson and not repeat the tragedy. And that is just what we have been doing since 1976.

Another point I&#39;d like to bring up here is everybody makes mistakes. I believe no one would disagree with me on this. So I&#39;d like to make a modest request: See better and think deeper&#33; Do not let prejudice blind your eyes&#33;


>>Is it true he used to abused his wife(s)? <<
NWOG:If You wish to believe it, I have no answer for your question&#33;

[workersunity]

In the beginning Mao fought against the party control of china and shit

[Karl Marx's Camel]

A couple of days ago, a teacher told us Mao built five palaces for himself.

True/Untrue?

[Scars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 01:12 AM
A couple of days ago, a teacher told us Mao built five palaces for himself.

True/Untrue?
Untrue. In fact Mao did suprisingly little travelling.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

So he sat in his office all day? Or at home?

Anyways, what has traveling have to do with anything? You may order construction of several palaces without actually use everyone of them every week.

So the claim about Mao constructing five palaces for himself, is untrue?

[viva le revolution]

It is untrue that Mao built luxury palaces for himself or abused his wives. His wife Jiang-jing was the proverbial leader of the ultra-left faction of the communist party. Mao&#39;s son went to fight alongside the north korean koreans where he subsequently gave his life for the cause.

[Scars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 01:55 PM
So he sat in his office all day? Or at home?

Anyways, what has traveling have to do with anything? You may order construction of several palaces without actually use everyone of them every week.

So the claim about Mao constructing five palaces for himself, is untrue?
Well, for instance Saddam built Palaces all over Iraq so that he could sleep in style where ever he happened to be in Iraq at the time. Mao spent most of his time at government buildings or at his home, both in Bejing if I remember correctly.

[lostsoul]

actually mao only had one home..it was those buildings infront of tiananmen square. Which he almost never left (with the except of walks sometimes).

I have studied mao allot, but what I’m saying below is just my theory from facts i gathered from other books and discussing it with friends.

Although he didn&#39;t totally like Stalin(since stalin didn&#39;t support him at many critical times), he respected him and saw them both as similar, and when stalin died, he saw Khrushchev totally denounce Stalin. This, in my opinion, was a life changing moment for him. He saw that all Stalin worked was being reversed. This, I suspect, made him fear that once he dies all his lifes work would be changed. I believe this was his underlining logic for almost everything he did.

He had a few children, a few daughters, and two sons. One son was going to be a perfect successor, but he died in the Korea war. Mao’s other son has schizophrenia and was not fit for politics.

As he got older he was not able to get a women pregnant but he kept trying(this is why I suspect he tried to always have sex with different girls). Another theory I read about was from his doctor, who said mao was trying to practice some accient technique to live longer(it basically said the more sex you have the longer you life..), his doctor agrued him on this, but according to his doctor Mao believed in this theory.

Until he died he tried to create a heir, but could not. So he figured he’d make the country strong but destroying all the elements of the country that would reverse everything after he died. This was known as the culture revolution.

This is my take on it..hope it helps.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"An heir" ??

What the fuck was it supposed to be? A workers state or the Mao dynasty?

[Scars]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 11:32 PM
"An heir" ??

What the fuck was it supposed to be? A workers state or the Mao dynasty?
An heir in the family sense. Continue the family name and all that, not in a Monarchy way.

[RedStarOverChina]

As he got older he was not able to get a women pregnant but he kept trying(this is why I suspect he tried to always have sex with different girls).

This is totally false and I can prove it. I know where u read all this information and I can tell you that it is not a bit trust worthy.

All suspicion regarding Mao as a womanizer originated from the memoir of Mao&#39;s so-called "private doctor" Li Zhiwei---Who was not an important character but was able to see Mao from time to time. Li went to the US after Mao&#39;s death. He was soon financed by the FBI to write a book in an attempt to ruin Mao&#39;s image.


As he got older he was not able to get a women pregnant
Li claimed to have done a test which discovers that Mao was no longer able to reproduce. However everyone else(medical personnels) deny the claim that there was such a test.

There are tons more lies told in Li&#39;s memoir (in fact, every other medical personnel that served Mao would suggest that most if not all of his memoir serves only as American propaganda.) I would suggest you trash that book.

However that does NOT exclude the possibility that Mao was in fact a womenizer. So what I&#39;m saying is that there are not enough evidence to prove or disaprove it.
It was well known that he flirted with movie stars(including Jiang Qing whom later became his wife) in the Yan&#39;an days.

[lostsoul]

I have read many biographies of mao and all of his writings(i think i have read every mao book at the toronto library system). I have also read the book by his doctor, but i also did not believe alot of stuff he wrote in it(if you read the last chapter, he speaks of losting everything after mao died, I think mao protected him while everyone else knew he wasn&#39;t too good, and after mao died the party fucked him up, but he blamed mao for some reason).

I now remember the part he wrote about the medical tests, but i actually came to this conclusion after reading about him with many girls and not getting any of them pregant. in his youth their is evindence of many children he had(some he kept some left in villages), but as he got older you do not read about it.

Also, if you look at how he treated women before and after the revoluation, he was simlair. I don&#39;t think he was with many girls at that point, I think the change occured after his son died in korea. Their was a breif period he alone, and then when he came back to public life, he was with many girls. This is why, I think he wanted to have another child(a son).



I think mao greatly cared about communism, but he knew their were many Khrushchev&#39;s in china also. I also don&#39;t think Mao had anyone he really trusted or saw as a friend, I think near the end of his life he was putting most of his hope on family. Which is normal, most people do this as they age.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 09:33 PM
In the beginning Mao fought against the party control of china and shit
that wasn&#39;t just the beginning, the cultural revolution continued until the day he died. He encouraged the masses to rebel against and criticize the party whenever it did anything reactionary.

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 01:25 AM
A couple of days ago, a teacher told us Mao built five palaces for himself.

True/Untrue?
most fucking untrue thing ever.

in fact, one of the ironies of this is that the CCP under Mao&#39;s leadership opened up all of the private palaces of the old dynasties to the people so they could show the people how the old rulers were living as the people were dying at an average age of 31 (which jumped to 65 after the revolution).

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

most fucking untrue thing ever.

Is that even possible? How can something be "more untrue" than something else?

[Red Heretic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 10:23 PM

most fucking untrue thing ever.

Is that even possible? How can something be "more untrue" than something else?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

You get my point&#33;

[RedStarOverChina]

I really dont know how u could come up with the conclusion that he wanted another son: He was hardly a caring father much less a family guy. There was no evidence that he tried to have a child.

Also, his only possible mistress after 1949 would be his assistent who I only remember by the name of Zhang---because no one else could have managed to establish a relationship with Mao without been niticed by the the people around Mao. As you may know, Mao would always be meeting people whenever he&#39;s not reading or sleeping.

It would be absurd for a radical like him in his old age to try to have another baby.

Even according to his doctor Li, when he was supposedly acknowledged of his inability to produce, he replied lightly: "So it&#39;s as if I was castrated." But of course this is very likely bullshit.

I think he, like Marx did, found most of his joy in continuing the struggle in his later years.


It&#39;s true that Mao likely didnt see anyone as his friend (especially after the betrayal of Lin Biao). His central philosophy is that of Contradiction. That new conflicts will always arise as time goes by---he just has to "unit all that can be united" to combat the emerging threat---either to him or to the revolution (I&#39;m not sure about which one he tried to defeat). Thus, yesterday&#39;s comrade might become an enemy tomorrow.