what if..

[Organic Revolution]

what if lenin had stayed, while the Dadaists sent one of there own to the russian revolution, what would that society look like?

[OleMarxco]

Like shit, most probably, only less-obvious ;)

[Socialistpenguin]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Dadaist?

[More Fire for the People]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 10:40 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a Dadaist?
A Dadaist is an art-loving nihilist in short.
If the Dadaist had sent someone to Russia, then there would not have been a "proletarian" revolution by a "vanguard" and thus Russia would have had a longer period of capitalism.

Perhaps Lenin would try his fool-hardy vanguardist ideas in 1922 or some later time and once again Russia would be a state-capitalist country before collapsing.

[BeauIdeal]

Originally posted by Diego [email protected] 18 2005, 04:50 PM
[...] and thus Russia would have had a longer period of capitalism.
Russia was not a Capitalist nation, even before the Revolution. It was still feudal, both in the means of production and in respect to property and ownership.

[metalero]

Originally posted by organic [email protected] 18 2005, 02:00 PM
what if lenin had stayed, while the Dadaists sent one of there own to the russian revolution, what would that society look like?
Is dadaism related to futurism? if that is so, I read somewhere that futurism develop different in each society, for example, in Italy, futurists joined the facsist ideology, as for russia, this movement had its best representative in vladimir maiakowski who praised Lenin and the october revolution. please correct me if i´m wrong...

[Organic Revolution]

dadaists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dadaists)

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

If the Dadaist had sent someone to Russia, then there would not have been a "proletarian" revolution by a "vanguard" and thus Russia would have had a longer period of capitalism.

Perhaps Lenin would try his fool-hardy vanguardist ideas in 1922 or some later time and once again Russia would be a state-capitalist country before collapsing.

What a gross misunderstanding of the events of the Russian revolution.

And you contradict yourself. By saying "If the Dadaist had sent someone to Russia, then there would not have been a "proletarian" revolution by a "vanguard" and thus Russia would have had a longer period of capitalism" you're insinuating that capitalism was transcended (at least for a period) during the Russian revolution; but then you say "Perhaps Lenin would try his fool-hardy vanguardist ideas in 1922 or some later time and once again Russia would be a state-capitalist country before collapsing." Which would indicate that Russia never transcended capitalism (it was state-capitalist). So, which one is it?

[metalero]

At the same time that the Zürich Dadaists made noise and spectacle at the Cabaret Voltaire, Vladimir Lenin wrote his revolutionary plans for Russia in a nearby apartment. He was unappreciative of the artistic revolutionary activity near him.

Interest quote from wikipedia