A tragedy

[Commandante_Ant]

CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/08/17/police.shooting/index.html)

It appears that the Brazilian shot in London because the Police thought he was a terrorist was not only completely innocent but he was also acting normal and was picked out for no reason. There is now mass crys for a public inquiry into how this could happen...its simple really, the british police are assholes.

[Intifada]

Exactly.

The guy was not "running away" as if he did something wrong, nor did he "jump a ticket box."

In fact, he even had time to buy a newspaper.

He was not wearing "a massive jacket that made him look like a suicide bomber", he was wearing a denim jacket, as his family always claimed.

Moreover, he didn't trip up on the train before he was executed. He was taking his seat when he was killed by the police.

He wasn't even followed properly from his home, as the surveillance man was taking a piss when he left his house.

The only crime he committed was that of looking like a suspected suicide bomber.

If that bastard Ian Blair doesn't resign, then it is proof that Britain is becoming more and more undemocratic, and more like a police state.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

Did I hear correctly on the news this morning that he was already restrained before he was shot?

[Commandante_Ant]

yes that is the latest claim on the story. I think its now been claimed that someone held him while he was shot dead. It is a goddamn disgrace and i'm disgusted to be a Brit.

There HAS to be a public inquiry...if not, the public should call for the governments head. Iraq is a major mistake with the appearance of doing good...this was simply murder. There can be no defence for this.

[Sir Aunty Christ]

You're right. There is no justification for it. Even if he had been a terrorist, it's murder if you restrain someone before shooting them.

[slim]

Now you see how Britain works. A web of lies and corruption. I call for International leftist recognition.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yes, this is very disturbing, i just thought that it was a bad decision when i first heard, now it emereges that we've eben lied too, and it practically amounts to a crime against humanity.

[Lord Testicles]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4157892.stm take a look at this just shows that the police are full of shit :angry:

[Decolonize The Left]

Yeah, I wasn't aware of these details. This is very sad indeed. Fucking Orwell right again, it's happening. Let's hope this sort of anger against the government swims across to the US. We might see something happen then...

-- August

[Ollie]

It's extremely sad, and i was already upset about it when the police said "he jumped through the barriers and wore a bulky coat". The police obviously lied which is disturbing, thank god the truth has come out. The image of him lifeless on the tube train is one i'm sure will disgust much of the public. However, those who have authority still defiantly believe in the "shoot to kill" policy, so this could happen again. Another stem to the "war on terror"

[BitchBrew]

I'm not sure about this, but I heard that while being restrained he was shot not one time but FIVE times in the head!????? I also heard that the police hade order to try to shoot suspects in the head, because if thay are shot let say in the groin thay can still activate a remot controll to the bomb. So while being restrained the police shote him five times in the head to avoid him pressing a remot control to a bomb attatched to him. Is this true? Because if it is I't makes fuckin want to go out on the street and blow these cops brains out! Sorry but I can't help it, its just so disgusting to think about.

[Intifada]

I'm not sure about this, but I heard that while being restrained he was shot not one time but FIVE times in the head!?????

I have heard that he was shot eight times.

Either way, this is further proof that the police is not to be trusted.

[slim]

It is a declaration of war from the British adminstration. That is how I feel. The people should see this for what it is instead of allowing it to happen and pass by before it happens again and again.

[Lord Testicles]

I'm not sure about this, but I heard that while being restrained he was shot not one time but FIVE times in the head!????? I also heard that the police hade order to try to shoot suspects in the head, because if thay are shot let say in the groin thay can still activate a remot controll to the bomb. So while being restrained the police shote him five times in the head to avoid him pressing a remot control to a bomb attatched to him. Is this true?

unfortinatly it is true the police are on a shoot to kill policy with any suspect and some witnesses say he was shot 8 times

[Lord Testicles]

According to the report, he said: "I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting...I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away on to the floor of the carriage."

Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, according to the post-mortem examination.


This is the source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4159902.stm)

[viva le revolution]

The lines of distinction have been drawn. on the one side the british establishment and on the other the foriegn immigrant.

[slim]

I have chosen my side. Immigrants have provided the backbone of the nation's workforce for years and have recieved vile treatment from the "British" population. My family are not english and i hate the attitude of the place. When i go to Ireland the land makes me feel at home. I feel surrounded by homely beauty.

The government are to blame for the deaths of most of my ancestors including a nine year old boy shot for assisting rebels!!! WTF!!! The government are to blame for the current situation that has given many no choice than to take up arms for the cause of justice and freedom.

Join the struggle. It is not just immigrants vs government. You know it can be anyone. Join the non-militant or militant sections of the HRA. We will bring a new age of reason and justice. We are the generation.

Do chara,

Slim. HRA.

[Stokey]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 08:06 PM
I have chosen my side. Immigrants have provided the backbone of the nation's workforce for years and have recieved vile treatment from the "British" population. My family are not english and i hate the attitude of the place. When i go to Ireland the land makes me feel at home. I feel surrounded by homely beauty.

The government are to blame for the deaths of most of my ancestors including a nine year old boy shot for assisting rebels!!! WTF!!! The government are to blame for the current situation that has given many no choice than to take up arms for the cause of justice and freedom.

Join the struggle. It is not just immigrants vs government. You know it can be anyone. Join the non-militant or militant sections of the HRA. We will bring a new age of reason and justice. We are the generation.

Do chara,

Slim. HRA.
Britain's history of the hatred of people from other lands is horrible. What's even worse is actions like when Labour first got into power they put up a picture of Oliver Cromwell! A fascist puritan who was responsible for one of England's bloodiest wars and the deaths of hundreds(?) of innocent Irish people.

The story about the Brazillian is understandingly disturbing. When the story first broke they said that the police had got the man to the floor and were kneeling on his back and then shot him 5 times. As soon as I heard this it made me sick.

[slim]

Cromwell killed and mutilated several thousand Irish catholic royalist suporters in Ireland. The war that is coming will seem like a repeat of that war. We will be the forces of democracy fighting tyranny but this time there will be no Cromwell.

The british administration have failed to act in their first and most important duty, to keep the people safe. They have introduced terror laws that will cause suffering. Many more laws are coming in the spring.

We are the generation.

Slim. HRA.

[Seeker]

When I read that he ran and had a puffy jacket, I was willing to believe the whole thing was a tragic mistake. It was easy to blame paranoia - if it were my duty to protect the public, and it looked like some guy was about to blow up a bunch of people (myself included), and there were recent bombings fresh in my memory, I can't say with certainty that I would not have done the same. In fact, I think it is likely that if I thought I was about to die, I would pull the trigger.

Apparently, that was not the case. Now it looks more like a contract killing. I would say that those responsible should be sent to Gitmo, but I would rather get reliable information for the investigation (then after we learned everything we need to, go ahead and send the pigfuckers to be "interrogated" by the "military intelligence"*).




*I would only condone torture for those who commit it themselves, and even then only the form(s) of torture that person practices or is responsible for. May the Coalition send itself to Abu Graib.

[Se án]

The murder of this innocent man by makes my blood boil. Then they come out with nothing but lies. Yet I'm not surprised after all it's the British police

[VietMinH]

From what I've heard in America, the Brazilian sprinted away from the police officers with a puffed up combat jacket and a hood on, along with his hands deep inside his jacket. However we all know american news is bullshit....i feel for his family and it makes me feel like shit to be of british descent...

[Jae iLL]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 09:36 PM
From what I've heard in America, the Brazilian sprinted away from the police officers with a puffed up combat jacket and a hood on, along with his hands deep inside his jacket. However we all know american news is bullshit....i feel for his family and it makes me feel like shit to be of british descent...
new reports have come out based on video and photos have leaked as well.
http://www.itv.com/news/story1671546.160x120.jpg
ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.

The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.

The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.

Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.

By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.

The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.

He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.

He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.

A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator.

The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat.

"Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification."

A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.

"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage.

Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.
http://www.itv.com/news/index_1677571.html

[bolshevik butcher]

What i'm really disturbed by was that i saw an interview with an ex-pliceman on the news recently and he said he was worried by the release of these documents because they'd destroyed confidence in the police. He then went onto say that in future this type of thing shouldnt be released. Aka he supports lying and cover ups.