Racial Profiling in Toronto

[Spartacus2002]

Lately in Toronto theirs been a big debate about racial profiling in the Toronto police department. I am against racism in any form, but the facts are that over 70% of the crimes are committed by like 10 percent of the population that happens to be visible minorities. Does this leave the police any choice? The other day the radio refused to provide the details that three violent rapists happened to be black right so this will help rapists run free. i they were white i think they should say it too. Dont get me wrong. i am not a racist i am a realist.

[Politix]

man stop ur bullshit... What about the part of the black community that isn't into crime?
So they should get stabbed along with the thugs?

[Jaha]

maybe, since poor people are more prone to be criminals, we could have fewer black criminals if they werent discriminated against in every other aspect of life.

every person is either free, criminal or conforming. the problem is, people get sick of conforming. and most people arent allowed to be free.

[techguru]

maybe you should stop addressing race, and address social class and income.

e.g. something like 70% of crime is committed by the people in the lowest 10% income level.

i dont know the details of the radio example so i cant comment much on that.

[bluerev002]

sometimes the crimes are commited because of how you were raised. if you were raised in a place with a bunch of ppl talk non-stop about steeling and how cool it is, then your gonna steel. cuz of the way you were brought up. not race.

[Akbar]

i sing the rap and i no steal

i steal one time

i steal the can of corn

i sorry

i no more ok
no tell?

[deimos]

are these sentences correct english?
I have nothing against it, i just want to know if they're correct.......becasue they sound a little bit false......

[nz revolution]

I think its just a war on the poor...

I'm sure the bill cracks down harder on crimes commited by minorities to keep the whites racist and chauvaunistic.

In little ol' New Zealand the cops have been terrorising a suburb by the name of Porirua (can anyone pronounce it?) which is a part of Wellington where the majority of the population are Pacific Islanders and Maori.

So the bill put osme dude in a coma for commiting one crime, being poor...

[Politix]

Yo the gov. needs to start helping the poor, instead of busting em down. No body steels for no reason. If some one in ur family was dying from starvation i think u would do the same. Its simple. Its called SURVIVAL. But scince we dont live by natural laws anymore, people are trying to look like they don't know what it is. I mean John Lock brought the theories of laws and gov. so now people acting like they forgot what natural laws are.

I am out

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from deimos on 9:30 am on Nov. 23, 2002
are these sentences correct english?
I have nothing against it, i just want to know if they're correct.......becasue they sound a little bit false......



Akbar seems to be a fake -which is a pitty, because he could and he should think and speak by himself.
Anyway, deimos, there are some threads where people here discuss about Akbar´s real identity.

nz revolution, I´m almost sure you know it already, but if you don´t, I´m sending you this very interesting/important site:
PARIAH - People Against Racism In Aboriginal Homelands, at

www.country-liberal-party.com


HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Pete]

"I'm sure the bill cracks down harder on crimes commited by minorities to keep the whites racist and chauvaunistic"

Actually the criminal code is quite unbiased in its language, but it is just that the police patrol more in lower income neighbour hoods.

"No body steels for no reason"

A lot of people may steal for a specific reason, and that is just the failings of the Conservatives and Liberals in power right now, but in Canada a majority of minor thefts are done by the Upper-Middle to High Class youths.

[Moskitto]

inner city areas where people are poor tend to have higher crime rates, because people who live in them tend to be lower income, because ethnic minorities tend to be descriminated against they tend to be poorer, so they tend to only be able to afford housing where the crime rate is higher, so their children grow up being used to crime and become criminals themselves because it is the way they've grown up with,

this has nothing to do with black people being born evil, infact this has more to do with white nationalism than any race issues,

[Spartacus2002]

I suppose it is more an issue of financial status, and as crazy pete saying nobody steals for no reason thats not true i know alot of white, suburban young people that shoplift when the could easily pay for the items. oh well at least their sorta ripping off the capitalist economy... why do you think that the black community on a whole seem to be poorer? is it a matter of discrimination? i thought that people got over racism a long time ago!

[Pete]

"i thought that people got over racism a long time ago!"
it isnt racist to state a fact that shows how one race is treated differently then others. In the United States 30% of the population is Black, in the innercities 80% of the population is Black.

I read in the Toronto Star today that the issuse is starting to clear up, as the Police Chief and former Leuitenant Governor are coming to some agreement.

[Umoja]

I'm from the USA, mind you but heres how I see it. Most of the crime in America is commited by the poor lower class. The poor lower class is largely black and dark skinned hispanics (who for all intents are still either black or white). Now America does have numerous Social betterment laws, but many are withheld to keep Blacks and other minorities poor, so they are the lowest on the food chain. This also makes the successful minorities have to work twice as hard, and as a result leave their community behind alienating them from their native community. This not only divides the black community, but it gives the whites in this country the safety of knowing they won't haveing minorities getting the same 'equal' chance as them.

But that's just in the United States.

[socialist ballistix]

i am totally anti-rascist. I dont care if it's about stealing, laws, racial profiling or anything. It's just wrong. And I think it's sick that people call themselves american who are rascist. It says right in the fuckin constitution that every one is equal.. I feel like i want to smash it through their bigoted, perverse, samall heads.

[techguru]

sb,

you should know damn well by now that "everyone" in the usa constitution means the rich white land owners.

obviously the constitutions "everyone" didnt include natives or dark skinned peoples.

[Umoja]

Which is why their are still Labor Camps (Aka Corporate Prisons), and our country occupies many Nations. Including over 50 Indian Nations, and Atzlan (Occupied Mexico). Of course this was all done to further our great equality.

[nz revolution]

Yeah comrades right on. Ive have some cider so I'm a bit more open than usual but i'll probably still write crap.

I wish that the Fascist States government would leave us alone.

Over here in NZ we sent over a frigate (yes I know they are small and pathetic but our population is 3.5milm we cant afford a battleship) and look what happens almost simultaneously, we get a trade agreement by mere 'coincidence'.

BULLSHIT we get it cos the ***** in our parliament gives that filthy scum BUSH our support in the war against terrorism. yep Saddam and his bolt action rifle of mass destruction, can destroy fruit and cans in seconds.

land of hipocracy alright
FUCK THE U$

[Kows]

1) Define 'Criminal'. Who rapes you in your workplace? Who murders your children? Thats right, rich (predominantly) white corporate slaves.
2) If you say "All criminals are blacks", then you exclude that white serial killer, etc. Racial profiling or economic profiling does NOT help any country whatsoever. They tend therefore to exclude normally suspicious suspects just because they are out of the race of interest.
3) Why the hell aren't we helping these people get out of the hole we dug for them? What the hell is wrong with us?

And no one seems to address this...'cept nader... the only good U.S. presidential candidate =)

[Umoja]

If only Nader had got elected.... *Sobs*

Damn Republicrats.

[Nickademus]

I'd also have to say that this suggest that there is a huge caucasian population in toronto. the 70% of criminals may be from minority groups but i bet you consider all the minority groups in Toronto together and they would make up for defaintely more that 50% of the population of Toronto. But I also think there is strong truth in the statements about war on poverty and the marginalization of minorities. I see it at the legal clinic i work at all the time. Because there is no one reaching out to help minorities and new immigrants (especially new immigrants!) they keep being forced into deeper and deeper wholes and have no choice really.

and racial profiling is absolute crap. I know a lot of 'white guys' that are some of the must screwed up criminal assholes.....gee why are most serial murders white middle class...weird huh?

[Pete]

I think it is visible minorities are 45% and minorities are 60% in Toronto. That is Greater Toronto I dont know about Toronto proper though.

In my school, although there are a very limited nubmer of minorities since I'm an hour and a bit from souther Ontario, most of the kids who have had some sort of legal digretion are the middle classed ones. Non of the visible minorities that I know of (the beauty of the Young Offenders Act) have.

[timbaly]

Quote: from techguru on 6:19 pm on Nov. 23, 2002
maybe you should stop addressing race, and address social class and income.

e.g. something like 70% of crime is committed by the people in the lowest 10% income level.

i dont know the details of the radio example so i cant comment much on that.


You can't always see social classes but you can see race atleast most of the time. Plus most of the poorer people who comit the crimes are minorities.