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Blasphemy
22nd November 2002, 14:21
my friend's mother died yesterday in a terrorist attack on a bus in jerusalem. since then, i have had some disturbing thoughts on the matter...

dozens of times i have read about terrorist attacks all over israel and watched reports about these attacks in the news. when you watch these news reports, you are appalled by the death and destruction, and a shiver is sent down your spine. but when you turn the TV off, the casualties and the wounded go away. they stay inside the television set. and so, after a few minutes, you forget about them and go about your daily business. but what we forget is all the people behind the faces you see on the news and in the paper. all the people who are their friends and family. people who are not mentioned in the news, but they have their lives ruiend by these horrible attacks.

yesterday, for the first time in my life, terrorism didn't stay inside the tv. it came out of there, and into the hallways in my school, where dozens of people were sitting, crying, and praying for the life of my friend's mother. even people who didn't know her, and people who were not close friends with him ached and cried. the sheer thought of this young guy, having to go to the morgue to identify the body of his dead mother was too much for everybody to handle. and when we heard her name called in the news, when she was announced dead, everybody just broke down. it was the most horrible feeling.

but when i got up, i saw that many people in the school were not crying. they were not upset. they heard about this attack on the radio, and kept going with their lives. and i was angry at these people. how can they go on with their lives when a kid has to go to the morgue? how can they not care? how can they continue laughing and having fun? i was so mad at these people. but then it hit me: i did the exact same thing dozens of times before. i kept going with my life when dozens of people were killed in attacks. and i was mad at myslef. mad for having fun when parents buried their children, or when children buried their parents.

we read about all the people who die in the most tragic way, and we continue living, despite the fact that lives have been destroyed, and other people are incapable of continue living. they can't fact the suffering they have to go through. but i don't think about these people, maybe because over 600 citizens from my country were murdered, and 2000 of my neighboors. i think that the terrible daily routine in israel has caused people to treat death too lightly. people don't stop and think about these attacks in the personal plane - about the victims' friends and relatives. we treat these people as statistics, a political pawn in our evelasting quest for peace. i think it is quite sad.

suffianr
22nd November 2002, 16:56
I'm so sorry that you had to go through that, Blasphemy. Whilst I can't say that I understand what you're going through, someone I personally knew died in the Bali attack, last month. It was really sad for me, becuase I had never really taken the opportunity to get to know him more when he was alive. But now he';s dead, and he leaves behind a wife. I can't say how much pity I feel for her, but I can say that he was a good person, and that he did live his life to the fullest.

That episode made me rethink, re-evaluate, and reconsider most of my opinions regarding the nature of this so-called War on Terrorism, and the burden that humanity has to carry for all the causes that we swear by, and ultimately die for.

The war in Palestine (could you call it anything but that?) is most certainly tragic, yet, as each day pass, people, outsiders, begin to drift into different groups: some become desensitized by the violence, and choose to block out and ignore the realities of the conflict, whilst others become overwhlemed by the violence, and decide to take things into their own hands, sometimes, literally so.

It is indeed a war of attrition. Your people, their people, and anyone else caught in between. What can we say about it, other than that we would all want the violence to stop. It is sad. But you must learn to live with it. You need to be strong and think about what you can do to make things better for the people around you. Don't worry about changing the world just yet, just make sure you live your own life to the fullest.

Take care, now.

hawarameen
22nd November 2002, 19:17
my sincere condolenses to your friend whoever he is.
my unlce was killed by turkish lorry drivers three years ago and my mum is still a wreck.
quite selfishly i thought at the time why couldnt it have been someone elses uncle but i know that these things happen.

what you have to be carefull of is not going into a blind hatred of palestinians because there are victims on both sides of the wall

all the best.

Panamarisen
22nd November 2002, 20:20
The reactions of the people, our own reactions in front of these kind of hard situations I think are mostly a result of overinformation of the mass media, not only because of its daily quantity, but because beside the violent death of people they show you a McDonald´s commercial, which finally make everything look as important (or non-important)... It´s a matter of desensibilization of the people at the end.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

Ari HR
22nd November 2002, 22:21
I often have the same same thoughts as you Blasphemy and I know how do you feel. Many of the people in my country died the same way in the war that finished recently. I am often mad at my myself just as you are, I know what do you think: some day, some fucken day, even my mom could die that way.

My condolesnes to your friend.

Jaha
22nd November 2002, 22:49
i say that the desensitizing from the media has guaranteed that few will care. everyday someone is murdered. actually, many are. with that in mind, one more murder does not scare the public. sad. sad. sad.

honor the dead. let none die in vain.

cochina
23rd November 2002, 02:08
so do you take the side of the grieving or do you take the side of revenge. it is such a fine line and i just jump from one side to the other.

Akbar
23rd November 2002, 06:54
palestinians are not nice people. poor angry violent people who cause the trouble that has kicked them out of almost every county in the middle east with except of jordan

most arab leaders use the palestinians isue because they hate the jews but do nothing but provoke the poor how yu say gulaable palestiniens into thinking they are with them

it is only mater of time before palestinians let lose the chemikal weaponry in Israel and israel wil respond with wiping palestinians from the land

sad but will happen

Iepilei
23rd November 2002, 08:03
My support to you, comrade, I know this cannot be an easy thing. Loss is never easy.

Fundamentalism on all sides must be halted - it has bred hate for far too long. Christians vs Jews vs Islam - yet they all spawn from the same areas and the same concepts (christianity is the exception, as it has hellenistic traits alongside indoeuropean).

But again, my condolences.

deimos
23rd November 2002, 10:51
poor boy.I wish him the best.

mentalbunny
23rd November 2002, 13:16
My condolences to your friend, I jsut wish everyone could see how death and violence get us nowhere. We are destroying ourselves and those around us, even if we do nothing we are destroying the world because we are doing nothing to help I jsut wish I knew what I could do to help...

My sympathies go to anyone who has suffered loss through the violence of our times.

Ari HR
26th November 2002, 16:41
Quote: from Akbar on 6:54 am on Nov. 23, 2002
palestinians are not nice people. poor angry violent people who cause the trouble that has kicked them out of almost every county in the middle east with except of jordan

most arab leaders use the palestinians isue because they hate the jews but do nothing but provoke the poor how yu say gulaable palestiniens into thinking they are with them

it is only mater of time before palestinians let lose the chemikal weaponry in Israel and israel wil respond with wiping palestinians from the land

sad but will happen


By generalizing guilt you are not making things easier. There is trash on both sides. Not every Palestinian is bad, like not every Jew is good.

Sinistra
26th November 2002, 18:19
I would like to give my condolences to blasphemies friend , may she rest in peace .
but still we shal not give away on out dream for peace .

To akbar i have to say that the palestenians were not kicked out of Jordan , but they were "slaughtered" by the jordanian monarchy in 1970 , thats why arafat ran away from jordan to lebanon , the jordan responce to the palestenian activity was so strong that there were palestenian leaders that serondered to israel , fearing of the jordanians . thats how the arabs treat each other .

IRANeAZAD5
27th November 2002, 03:07
Someone who blows themselves up and kills little children is trash.....

Palestinians will never have a country

Long live Israel

IRANeAZAD5
27th November 2002, 03:08
By they way sorry about your friend

Blasphemy
27th November 2002, 19:43
IRANeAZAD5, you fucking missed the whole point...