the oil crisis

[Qwerty Dvorak]

as you all know, oil prices are rising rapidly and the oil is running out. this means practically every major technological innovation brought to us by the capitalists since the industrial revolution will be gone. whats more, the capitalist powers are undoubtedly going to continue their war on opec nations in order to secure a few last patches of oil. this war means two things:

1. while the capitalist powers send more and more troops to the middle east, they will be forced to turn a blind eye to hostile activities elsewhere.

2. ever-increasing wars for oil means ever-increasing army production, which means ever-increasing oil consumption, which means ever-increasing wars for oil.

is this the economic collapse marx predicted more than 150 years ago, the one the capitalists thought would never come? i suggest that heavy investment of alternative energy sources and reduction of fossil-fuel consumption be placed among the communists top priorities. not only will it get the enviromentalists on our side and provide a much-needed answer to the "oil question", but it may save some of us from the terrible effects of an oil drought. it will also mean we no longer depend on the capitalist war machines for oil - sure, ireland, france and germany didnt condone the war, but when iraqs oil was up for grabs, we took it.

[redstar2000]

I think an "oil crisis" is very unlikely...though a brief one might be precipitated if U.S. imperialism is so foolish as to invade Iran.

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[Qwerty Dvorak]

and i, like many others, believe they will. which will push up oil prices even more, and then people will start to get nervous.

[BitchBrew]

The eventual crash of the capitalist economis by an oil crises might be the perfect setting for an anarcho-syndicalistic revolution. People might start to organize themself in collectives and share their productions with other communitis and a syndicate of co-operating collectives might be aschived along side with the craching capitalistic sociatey.

It's with a combination of fear and ethusiasm that I'm looking forward to this eventual scenario!

[resisting arrest with violence]

Yeah that is a good point: That the U.S. will so busy in the middle east that Castro and Chavez can have more leeway in Latin America to foment revolution.

[Commie Girl]

:lol: Bush and Cheney have finally FIGURED OUT where Canada is, even where Alberta is!!! and that Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the U.S. :P but they may be a little too late, since China is already heavily invested in the oilsands project.

Looks like Cheney is heading north to my neck of the woods :angry:

Bush sending VP to Alberta
Dick Cheney's tour to focus on oilsands

U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney is to jet into Alberta next month for an oilsands tour, further cementing the vital role Canada will play in supplying crude to the world's biggest energy consumer.

Premier Ralph Klein surprised his aides Friday by revealing at the premiers meeting in Banff that U.S. President George W. Bush's right-hand man would arrive in September for a primer on the multibillion-dollar oilsands projects in northeastern Alberta.

It came as Klein reiterated Alberta's oilpatch shouldn't be used as a bargaining chip in an increasingly bitter trade dispute with the United States over softwood lumber.

The news came the same day crude oil prices closed at a dizzying $66.86 US a barrel in New York.

"Vice-President Cheney will be visiting Alberta in early September to look at the tarsands and there's just a tremendous amount of interest now in seeking that secure and reliable supply of oil and gas -- and of course they're looking to Canada and in particular Alberta," Klein said.

"But relative to using that as a tool to force the Americans to the table relative to softwood lumber," Klein continued, "if we start to use measures that are deemed to be vindictive, then that only creates vindictiveness on the other side and it starts to escalate."

Klein's remarks may disappoint Canadians linked to the lumber industry, but oilpatch officials welcomed Klein's comments on both fronts.

Cheney's visit indicates the oilsands have arrived as a recognized global energy source and "not some interesting science experiment in the backwoods of Alberta," said Pierre Alvarez, president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

"It is a proven, reliable, high-tech industry that's poised to make an important contribution to the North American energy scene," Alvarez said.

Interest in Canada's oilpatch continues to grow as the demand for fresh crude supplies becomes more intense. Political uncertainty in oil producing hot spots around the world has made Canada's oil and gas supplies even more attractive to the United States and other countries.

China has also been eyeing the Canadian oilpatch -- a point not lost on Washington. Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the U.S. and major American petroleum producers have made big investments in their northern neighbour.

Alberta's oilsands are also viewed as a major piece of the puzzle in meeting North America's energy demands.

Oilsands production exceeded one million barrels a day this year, but that figure is expected to strike 2.7 million barrels daily by 2015. The United States, meanwhile, consumes about 20 million barrels of oil a day. Cheney's visit is "recognition of the role Fort McMurray and northeast Alberta is going to be playing in the future supply of the United States and Canada," noted longtime oilpatch observer Ian Doig, of Doig's Digest.

A tour by Cheney, who visited Calgary during the World Petroleum Congress in 2000 before he became vice-president, was rumoured for months before Klein made his remarks. Officials in the premier's office would not release further details.

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[bolshevik butcher]

Reasearch needs to being into alternatives whil we still ahve the time and resources to do it. I mean we can biuld hydrogen powered cars and alternative forms of energy, but what about plastics etc?

[Decolonize The Left]

It is inevitable that the oil crises will happen. This cannot be denied. What is argued is when it will happen.
Therefore, with this in mind, we must look to renewable energy for electricity, and save what oil we have for supplies (plastics, rubber, etc...). Hydrogen, when developed through, will provide enough fuel to satisfy our needs.
This should be a cement block in the floor of communism, after the revolution. If this is done, we will see our ability to focus on other issues, without needing to worry about energy/fuel.

I like the idea of using the US-distracted military to begin work here. I think this should be done as well. We need to start educating the public. Flyers, posters, community discussions, etc... If this happens in every large city and many smaller ones, we will see our base begin to grow immensely.

-- August

[*Exodus]

There is no doubt in anyones mind that oil will eventually run out it is not something that is going to be around forever. There is also no doubt that when it does run out there will be major problems throughout the world. The middle east will be in an economic crisis, because they have lost their main export. The many countries that depend on oil will also have problems. However this all depends on if people prepare for this.

[Decolonize The Left]

Unfortunately Exodus, what you have said is true, and there is nothing being done to prepare for this future. Oil commodities and gas are being abused as if they were recently invented, and sustainable energy has been shunned across most the world, in favor of nuclear energy, or coal. We can only hope something huge happens, which will change the tides of the years to come for the better.

-- August

[Seeker]

What *****Brew said.


It almost seems like we are in a race to see who can consume the most before it is all gone.



It's with a combination of fear and ethusiasm that I'm looking forward to this

[Qwerty Dvorak]

well it seems most of us agree that an oil crisis is inevitable (hey, its simple physics: burn something, it changes, in this case for the worse). but it is something to be looked forward to by us revolutionaries, and if we simply put forward the point that it is mainly big businesses that are putting us in this position, i imagine the people would be more than happy to see the back of them :hammer: ;)

[Decolonize The Left]

Well put RedStar1916. That is vital to changing public opinion, but we also should point out that not only are big businesses putting us in this position, but the people are dying for it as well. Not just soldiers (which resonates hard in America), but innocent civilians.

A combination of this logic would prove valuable in swaying public opinion, as the future does not look bright.

-- August