Socialist Suicide Bombers.

[Amusing Scrotum]

I recently saw on television, a man interviewed from a Socialist party in Lebanon. Like the Islamic Extremists there, they use suicide bombers.

However being socialists, they allow women to blow themselves up as well. If ever there was a time for sexism. ;)

I was just wondering what everyones view on this was, and whether they felt such methods were justified?

[BitchBrew]

I don't think a better world can be achived if the workers gets sacrified for a cause in this way, thats just another form of exploiting. And it's very macabre to think about, inhumane.

[anomaly]

Terrorism (as suicide bombing is) is an individual or small group action. Revolution is the masses rising up against their oppressors. See the difference? Terrorism of any kind (even if it's called 'leftist' or 'socialist' terrorism) should always be opposed by communists.

[Roses in the Hospital]

If somebody is willing to blow themselves up for the cause then I don't think it's any different to an individual being willing to risk getting shot on the barackades. However I think such methods are only worthwhile if they're part of a greater struggle, with a significant part of the proletariat on side. And obviously, it goes without saying, that targeting civillians and innocents is almost never justified...

[Questionauthority]

However being socialists, they allow women to blow themselves up as well. If ever there was a time for sexism

What do you not watch the news? Female suicide bombers have been blowing themselves up in Israel for a while now...

Suicide bombing is fucking sick and twisted, it causes terror and increases the ruling classes "divide and rule" concept for them

[Qwerty Dvorak]

i disagree with socialist suicide bombers. as anomaly said, Revolution is the masses rising up against their oppressors. what would happen if the masses simultaneously blew themselves up? well, im sure we can all guess, but well never really know, coz wed be... well... blown up.

[which doctor]

I believe Palastineans use females for suicide bombers as well.

[dso79]

Terrorism (as suicide bombing is) is an individual or small group action.

As long as they target soldiers and military installations, suicide bombings are definitely not terrorism.


Revolution is the masses rising up against their oppressors. what would happen if the masses simultaneously blew themselves up?

Wars are always dirty, so it’s inevitable that workers will die during a revolution. Therefore I don’t see why socialists shouldn’t use suicide bombings. They are very effective weapons, and they may actually shorten the war and save lives if used in the right situation.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

As long as they target soldiers and military installations, suicide bombings are definitely not terrorism.

Like dso79 said;
As long as they target soldiers and military installations, suicide bombings are definitely not terrorism.




Newsflash:
Suicide bombing is just a tactic in war, often made by an inferior opposition fighting against a superior force. It wouldn't suprise me that many of those suggesting that "suicide bombing is terror", feel "precision bombing" is much better and more humane.

[Donnie]

I believe Palastineans use females for suicide bombers as well.
You're right, I watched a documentary on channel four about suicide bombers and they said they used women. In fact they showed some women who volunteered for blowing themselves and I must say they were very beautiful women. It’s such a shame they wasted their lives.


As long as they target soldiers and military installations, suicide bombings are definitely not terrorism.
Terrorism does nothing to help their cause, its stupid and innocent people get hurt and it just makes people angry. You have no freedom once you're dead. Where about equality and freedom where not about blowing people up.


Wars are always dirty, so it’s inevitable that workers will die during a revolution. Therefore I don’t see why socialists shouldn’t use suicide bombings. They are very effective weapons, and they may actually shorten the war and save lives if used in the right situation.
You have much more chance living through a revolution than you do strapping a bomb to you’re self. I actually would like to see communism (if I'm still about) after the revolution.

[bombeverything]

It depends on what you mean by "justified". If you are referring to morality, most things can be justified. Whether it is a useful method, however, is another question. As someone mentioned before, real change is impossible alone.

[Faceless]

It is a poor technique. For a start, in a time of relative calm armed groups, acting independently of the "masses" attract adventurists, lumpens and all sorts of unreliables (eg the Provos in Ireland have always been doomed and not just because they represent a right wing in the republican movement). In times of popular struggle armed uprising must be subject to the masses, not a few well trained cadres, and must act in a specific manner to bring the masses tangiably closer to there target. When a dictatorship of the proletariat has been formed terrorism can be initiated from above and "may" produce tangiable results. In this circumstance you have greater chance of terrorising the bourgeoisie in to submission and can also begin a campaign which acts to systematically target those who would resist socialism and reinstate a mode of production which acts to alienate and terrorise the otherwise larger sections of humanity.

At any time in the struggle the actions of comrades should always be carefully weighed up when considering consciously sacrificing their lives. Such actions as hunger striking and suicide bombing may deprive the movement of its most consciouss and capable elements. Individual acts of terrorism also, as has been pointed out, tend to alienate the masses and achieve very little in general.

[Amusing Scrotum]

Armchair.Socialism. -
"However being socialists, they allow women to blow themselves up as well. If ever there was a time for sexism."

Questionauthority -
"What do you not watch the news? Female suicide bombers have been blowing themselves up in Israel for a while now...

Suicide bombing is fucking sick and twisted, it causes terror and increases the ruling classes "divide and rule" concept for them."

I was being sarcastic. Maybe witticisms are lost on you, however most people would have realised it was a quirky remark aimed not to inform but to slightly amuse.
The point of the post was to ask for opinions and generate discussion on suicide bombers within the Socialist and Communist cause.

Personally I agree with anomaly, that individual acts of this kind should be opposed, as they not only ignore the masses, they frighten, injure and kill them. Plus the Socialist cause is left without another comrade.

Also I would ask NWOG if he feels by using a tactic like this under oppression, or during revolution, a line is crossed? All be it a fictious line.
Also it is my opinion that if acts like this are supported, a slippery slope is started, which inevitabely leads to horrific crimes being commited in the name of a cause. Do you draw the line at suicide bombers who use chemical explosions, which may destroy military structures at the time but leave terrible lasting side effects?
Also for the record, I do not think precision bombing is either humane or better in the way it is carried out by current Governments. I get the feeling they just play pin the nail on the map and destroy wherever it lands.

[bombeverything]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 10:16 AM
Suicide bombing is fucking sick and twisted, it causes terror

Well yes, that is the aim of terrorism. In my view, calling it "sick" and "twisted" is a bit simplistic. You will never really understand the reasons behind suicide bombings. These people are desperate.

Besides, this is nothing compared with state-terrorism.

[CrazyModerate]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 12:45 AM
I recently saw on television, a man interviewed from a Socialist party in Lebanon. Like the Islamic Extremists there, they use suicide bombers.

However being socialists, they allow women to blow themselves up as well. If ever there was a time for sexism. ;)
Its complete bullshit. Slaying civilians and the proletariat is not a good thing. Suicide Bombing is typically counter revolutionry, and it is conducted by reactionaries and power mongers that don't have the means to fight conventional warfare.

[Amusing Scrotum]

The means being the masses.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The reputation of suicide bombings as a tactic has been tarnished by terrorists who target civilians with such a tactic.
It is only really a viable tactic when you have your back to the wall and little other option is available* - And only then is it viable if surrender is out of the question (They might kill you anyway)

If an armed struggle is not going your way and defeat seems inevitable, Making the enemies' victory as pyrrhic as possible is your goal.

(*Might I note that the palestinian militants are not in this situation)

[dso79]

In some situations suicide bombings can be a really effective tactic. In 1983, Lebanese guerrillas used a suicide truck bomb to destroy the US marine barracks in Beirut; they killed 241 enemy soldiers while they only lost one man. They would never have been able to achieve that if they had used standard guerrilla tactics.


Also it is my opinion that if acts like this are supported, a slippery slope is started, which inevitabely leads to horrific crimes being commited in the name of a cause.

Why? Suicide bombings are just like any other bomb attack, the only difference is that the bomber dies in the attack.


Do you draw the line at suicide bombers who use chemical explosions, which may destroy military structures at the time but leave terrible lasting side effects?

I do believe that is unacceptable, but again, I don’t see any difference between a chemical suicide bomb and other chemical weapons. Using such chemicals is always unacceptable.