Female Circumcision

[DarkAngel]

I was reading about the subject. And I found some very disturbing info. In some cultures (mostly muslim) It is proper to to circumcise a young girl, before marriage, or when they reach a certain age. The young female is pinned down by her female relatives, and her vagina is sewed closed. Then her legs binded together for 40 days, allowing tissue to grow. Then a hole is piecred were urine leaves, and another where menstrual flow comes. When the women is married and wishes to have children, her husband must cut her vagina open with his penis, or a knife is neccesary. The clit is also cut off, to prevent the female from enjoying the processes at all. After the child is born, her vagina is then again sewed together, to prevent her from being unfaithful to her husband...

When I was reading that all I can think was OWWWIIEEEE :(

[Commie-Pinko]

I have heard of this too! It's very sad. So many primitive cultures are horrifically barbaric in their customs and traditions. The chinese used to bind the feet of young women, causing severe pain and displeasure, simply because it was "good" to have small feet.

Circumcision of males and females I find destable. It's grossly immoral that people can mutilate others w/out their consent.

[Black Dagger]

So many primitive cultures are horrifically barbaric in their customs and traditions.

Urgh.



Circumcision of males and females I find destable. It's grossly immoral that people can mutilate others w/out their consent.

Whilst female circumcision is unncessary, what's the problem with male circumcision, it actually has health benefits.

And what does 'grossly immoral' mean, seriously?

[MoscowFarewell]

As a male..

My own crotch began to hurt. This is disturbing and... Just a painful thought. I am fine with circumcision, but just... How it is for the woman sounds god aweful.

[Dark Exodus]

Whilst female circumcision is unncessary, what's the problem with male circumcision, it actually has health benefits.

Actually I think this is a bit of a common misconception, it lowers pleasure during sex and only benefits your health if you aren't hygenic.

[bolshevik butcher]

bloody hell thats really horrible. It must be realy phsycologically damaging for someone as well.

[Black Dagger]

Actually I think this is a bit of a common misconception,

No, it's not.

"A recent South African study found that circumcision may reduce the transmission of HIV (the virus that causes AIDS) by 63%[10]. The study was terminated early so that circumcision could be offered to the control group. However, The Lancet, the most prestigious of all British medical journals, declined to publish the report. "At issue, Auvert and Puren told Science, is an ethical disagreement that involves how participants learned their HIV status and the counselling they received." The study was presented to an International AIDS Society conference in Brazil in July 2005. Some fear that if widespread circumcision is touted as an effective way to reduce HIV infection rates, people will develop a false sense of security and be more likely to engage in sexual intercourse without latex condoms, which would still carry significant risk if either partner has HIV or another sexually transmitted disease.

Statistically, uncircumcised men are several times more likely to be carriers of human papilloma virus than circumcised men. Some strains of HPV are known to cause cervical cancer. Circumcized men are less likely to infect their partners. Further, some medical sources believe that being circumsized reduces a man's risk of developing penile cancer. However, some of these studies compare different cultures that may have other reasons for disparate cancer rates, such as a genetic predisposition or dietary differences." -from wikipedia

The benefits of circumcision in terms of reducing transfer rates being the most prominent advantage, it's not 'misconception' at all- it has evident benefits.



it lowers pleasure during sex and only benefits your health if you aren't hygenic.

'common misconceptions'.

[Commie-Pinko]

Actually, the majority of circumcisions are found unnecessary by medical journals. Some still disagree, but it's by no means universal. The common problem IS loss of sensititivity.

People should not be allowed to touch your and mutilate your body w/out your consent. The hygene argument doesn't hold much water in most modern medicine circles.

The article mentions that some of the benefits of Circumcision (Genitile Mutilation) is prevention of sexually transmitted diseases and prevention of partner infections. Ironically, this COULD happen, but not because of why you might think.

Did you ever stop to think that in South Africa, they have a problem, much like in most of africa---wanton sexual promiscuity. By "circumcizing them," you very well can prevent partner infections because no one wants to have as much sex. Why? vast decrease of pleasure.

There are several sources, including scientific, which show Genitile mutilation as bogus. In fact, according to many medical journals routine circumcision has NO medical benefit. Because it has no medical benefit, NO [MAJOR] medical organization in the world recommends it.

1. Science Daily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/cgi-bin/apf4/amazon_products_feed.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&ItemId=093406122X[/)

2. Link to American Medical Association Journal Quotes (http://www.cirp.org/pages/reviews/bigelow/[/)


[b]The Journal of the American Medical Assoc.

"[The book] is based on three premises: that infant circumcision is performed without consent; that circumcision diminishes penile sensation and therefore reduces sexual enjoyment; and that techniques of prepucial reconstruction can restore lost sensitivity to the glans penis...As Dr. Bigelow forcefully points out, there is little evidence that early circumcision confers any health gain to the individual in the longer term."

3. American Medical Association Report (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/13585.html[/)


Virtually all current policy statements from specialty societies and medical organizations do not recommend routine neonatal circumcision

It is also untrue that it prevents sexually transmitted diseases. There is a correlation between circumcision and prevention, but circumcision isn't the cause. In fact:


In the case of sexual transmission of HIV, behavioral factors are far more important in preventing these infections than the presence or absence of a foreskin.

The AMerican Medical Journal aslo concludes that even though there are some potential minor benefits, those benefits do not outweigh the other problems that stem from genetile mutilation.

Dr. Peter Ball (http://www.norm-uk.org/circumcision_myths.html[/)
More myths comming from Dr. Peter Ball


Circumcision does not prevent penile cancer.
Circumcision does not prevent cervical cancer in the female partners of circumcised men.
Circumcision does not prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
Circumcision does not prevent AIDS or HIV infection.
Circumcision does not improve penile hygiene.
Circumcision does not prevent infections.
Circumcision does not prevent urinary tract infection.

[Guest1]

Anyways. This is not circumcision we're talking about. Circumcision does not prevent sex, and is not an act of patriarchal power.

"Female circumcision" is a bullshit term, this is nothing but mutilation.

[BuyOurEverything]

By "circumcizing them," you very well can prevent partner infections because no one wants to have as much sex. Why? vast decrease of pleasure.

I'm sorry, I just laughed out loud when I read this. Ya, sex is so pleasureless after circumcision that no circumsized person has any desire to have sex again. Good one.

[Commie-Pinko]

It's true. It does vastly decrease pleasure according to medical professionals. You are lopping off a piece of your most sensitive receptors, and for absolutely nothing. Laugh all you want, but if you read the above medical journals I provided, as well as quotes from doctors in the field, they agree that circumcision DOES prevent various sexual practices due to desensitization.

[Mujer Libre]

Originally posted by Commie-[email protected] 14 2005, 09:45 PM
It's true. It does vastly decrease pleasure according to medical professionals. You are lopping off a piece of your most sensitive receptors, and for absolutely nothing. Laugh all you want, but if you read the above medical journals I provided, as well as quotes from doctors in the field, they agree that circumcision DOES prevent various sexual practices due to desensitization.
If there IS a decrease in sensitivity, I doubt it&#39;s all that much. The foreskin isn&#39;t the REALLY sensitive bit- so it&#39;s not like you&#39;re cutting that off. I think the possible problem is with desensitisation of the glans, but yeah, personal experience speaks otherwise. <_<

And equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation is fucking wrong. The scale of the procedure is completely different and with female genital mutilation, every instance is a negative outcome, which is definitely not the case for male circumcision.

[CrazyModerate]

Originally posted by Mujer Libre+Aug 15 2005, 02:23 AM--> (Mujer Libre @ Aug 15 2005, 02:23 AM)
Commie&#045;[email protected] 14 2005, 09:45 PM
It&#39;s true. It does vastly decrease pleasure according to medical professionals. You are lopping off a piece of your most sensitive receptors, and for absolutely nothing. Laugh all you want, but if you read the above medical journals I provided, as well as quotes from doctors in the field, they agree that circumcision DOES prevent various sexual practices due to desensitization.
If there IS a decrease in sensitivity, I doubt it&#39;s all that much. The foreskin isn&#39;t the REALLY sensitive bit- so it&#39;s not like you&#39;re cutting that off. I think the possible problem is with desensitisation of the glans, but yeah, personal experience speaks otherwise. <_<

And equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation is fucking wrong. The scale of the procedure is completely different and with female genital mutilation, every instance is a negative outcome, which is definitely not the case for male circumcision. [/b]
The foreskin makes the part it covers more sensitive.

[bed_of_nails]

Then I am happy without my foreskin.

Lasting twice as long as you cheese-factories :D

[Commie-Pinko]

And equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation is fucking wrong. The scale of the procedure is completely different and with female genital mutilation, every instance is a negative outcome, which is definitely not the case for male circumcision.

I am not equating them. I am saying merely they are both wrong. I am not saying they are equally wrong. Both ARE genital mutilation.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by Commie&#045;[email protected] 14 2005, 10:11 PM

And equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation is fucking wrong. The scale of the procedure is completely different and with female genital mutilation, every instance is a negative outcome, which is definitely not the case for male circumcision.

I am not equating them. I am saying merely they are both wrong. I am not saying they are equally wrong. Both ARE genital mutilation.
Female "circumcision" ( a classic misnomer) is beyond barbaric, I saw a documentary on this, these little girls were literally held down by their mothers, aunts, etc., this horrifying procedure was done whilst they were screaming until they passed out from the pain, then it showed them all ( about 20 girls) lying on mats in a dark hut sobbing, etc. These were 9 year old girls :angry:

Anyway, there are NO MEDICAL BENEFITS to male circumcision, except some people think it "looks neater" :lol: Where I live, most doctors will not perform this procedure because they consider it genital mutilation and if you can find someone to perform this, it costs you 150&#036; and you hold down your baby. Ergo, it is hardly done anymore, I believe it is around 30% and falling.

[Vallegrande]

Anyone wonder who created circumcision in the first place? From what I learned, many people were un-circumcised and that circumcision was actually a religious thing. Think of the Pygmies of the Congo compared to the villagers that they lived near. The villagers practice circumcision with much faith, because it is religious (I wonder why?). The Pygmies, having to be friends with the villagers, must make their boys go through with the ceremony, although it isn&#39;t really part of Pygmy society.

[Elect Marx]

As for the conversation on male circumcision; here are some old topics.

Religion scars for life, permanently, (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32862)

Circumcision, the unspoken attrocity (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?act=ST&f=12&t=24192)

FUCK GENITAL MUTILATION&#33; :angry:

[JC1]

Anyway, there are NO MEDICAL BENEFITS to male circumcision, except some people think it "looks neater" Where I live, most doctors will not perform this procedure because they consider it genital mutilation and if you can find someone to perform this, it costs you 150&#036; and you hold down your baby. Ergo, it is hardly done anymore, I believe it is around 30% and falling.

Benifits of Male Circ:

-Clenliness
-Increased moblity
-Increased growth of the penis
-increased sensation

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 01:41 PM

Anyway, there are NO MEDICAL BENEFITS to male circumcision, except some people think it "looks neater" Where I live, most doctors will not perform this procedure because they consider it genital mutilation and if you can find someone to perform this, it costs you 150&#036; and you hold down your baby. Ergo, it is hardly done anymore, I believe it is around 30% and falling.

Benifits of Male Circ:

-Clenliness
-Increased moblity
-Increased growth of the penis
-increased sensation
Sources? Making a statement doesn&#39;t assure validity... if only people could understand that.

[Camarada]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:23 AM
I was reading about the subject. And I found some very disturbing info. In some cultures (mostly muslim) It is proper to to circumcise a young girl, before marriage, or when they reach a certain age. The young female is pinned down by her female relatives, and her vagina is sewed closed. Then her legs binded together for 40 days, allowing tissue to grow. Then a hole is piecred were urine leaves, and another where menstrual flow comes. When the women is married and wishes to have children, her husband must cut her vagina open with his penis, or a knife is neccesary. The clit is also cut off, to prevent the female from enjoying the processes at all. After the child is born, her vagina is then again sewed together, to prevent her from being unfaithful to her husband...

When I was reading that all I can think was OWWWIIEEEE :(
That is terrible. :o

[Elect Marx]

Yes; this shit makes me fucking sick.
I caught a show about some African tribe yesterday and it said that some women cut off the tips of their fingers to help their dead relatives&#33; I&#39;ve also seen in certain tribes women are beaten with whips, repeatedly; they beg for it "to help their brothers enter manhood."

Oh; also some African tribes took up the practice of knocking out women’s bottom front teeth and stretching their cut lips around plates... maybe more than 6 inches in diameter. The bigger the plate, the more they are worth in cattle for marriage. This initially started to discourage people from taking “their women,” as slaves.

Oops; almost forgot about neck rings, where women stretch their necks with brass rings… not a safe idea… probably bad to stretch out your neck vertebrae.

Then there is the foot binding in another part of the world, someone already mentioned where women’s feet are broken as they grow.

There are probably much more examples I don’t know off the top of my head…

[Mujer Libre]

I think that neck ring thing is in Myanmar, or somewhere in that region.

And nobody has mentioned cosmetic surgery yet, so I&#39;ll just throw that one in.

[Clarksist]

And nobody has mentioned cosmetic surgery yet, so I&#39;ll just throw that one in.


Really, the attraction to the perfect form of yourself is bullshit.

The more I read articles like this, I become a feminist. Fuck the men in power&#33; Basically it comes down to male dominance of female self-esteem assessment.

And the hypocrisy in the expectations makes it hard for a woman to feel good about herself.

You MUST stay a virgin for marraige, but you MUST put out for your boyfriend.

Shit like that discusts me.

[bed_of_nails]

It started with Judaism... When wandering the desert, you dont want to get some sand caught in there. Could itch a wee bit.

[DarkAngel]

I am sorry but I find uncircumsised peepee unpleasant too look at.... :P

But yea, it is horrible. Imagine having your clit cut off while your family holds you down, then your vaginal sowed together, and then your legs bind together for 40 days. Then 2 holes pierced for urine and menstrual blood. And when you do have sex, your husband must cut your vagina open with his penis, and with a knife if hes unable to preform the task. Its just sick. These men do this to make sure their women don&#39;t cheat on them, to make sex as unpleasant as possible. I don&#39;t see anybody mutilating them to that degree, even though men have the most trouble keeping the trouser snake in the trousers... <_<

[Black Dagger]

I am sorry but I find uncircumsised peepee unpleasant too look at.... :P

Very much agreed, unpleasant and weird... :P

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by Black Dag[email protected] 16 2005, 03:24 PM

I am sorry but I find uncircumsised peepee unpleasant too look at.... :P

Very much agreed, unpleasant and weird... :P
You&#39;re the weird ones - I haven&#39;t got part of my dick chopped off for some spurious reason&#33;

[Black Dagger]

Hmmm...

Well i still have foreskin, just not in excess ;)



I&#39;m comfortable with my body&#33;

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Black [email protected] 16 2005, 10:10 AM
I&#39;m comfortable with my body&#33;
I am comfortable with my mutilation too (because it is all I know) but it is still an agrigous violation of my body.
No one has the right to cut others for their preference (or sick sense of "normality"); this is my body we are talking about and I would have been comfortable with it being whole&#33;

[bed_of_nails]

How do you cut open a vagina with a penis?

Am I the only person who doesnt have a sharp side to their penis?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 05:27 PM
How do you cut open a vagina with a penis?

Am I the only person who doesnt have a sharp side to their penis?
That did appear a bit odd but I think the idea is to rip the skin open... sounds painfull.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Aug 17 2005, 12:02 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX &#064; Aug 17 2005, 12:02 AM)
[email protected] 16 2005, 05:27 PM
How do you cut open a vagina with a penis?

Am I the only person who doesnt have a sharp side to their penis?
That did appear a bit odd but I think the idea is to rip the skin open... sounds painfull. [/b]
It is&#33; The man must cut the stiching and the tissue in order to enter. And if he is unable to preform this task with his peepee he is premitted to use a knife...

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by DarkAngel+Aug 17 2005, 12:15 PM--> (DarkAngel @ Aug 17 2005, 12:15 PM)
Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 17 2005, 12:02 AM

[email protected] 16 2005, 05:27 PM
How do you cut open a vagina with a penis?

Am I the only person who doesnt have a sharp side to their penis?
That did appear a bit odd but I think the idea is to rip the skin open... sounds painfull.
It is&#33; The man must cut the stiching and the tissue in order to enter. And if he is unable to preform this task with his peepee he is premitted to use a knife... [/b]
It just amazes me the extent of cruelty and complete lack of empathy; treating people like property, and often even worse than most people treat their property :angry:

[FatFreeMilk]

Oops; almost forgot about neck rings, where women stretch their necks with brass rings… not a safe idea… probably bad to stretch out your neck vertebrae.
Actually it&#39;s not stretching the neck, it&#39;s just pushing the shoulders down. It appears as if the neck is being streched out though.

There is an organization around for girls who run away from their tribe to avoid the circumsision. Or maybe it&#39;s being sold as a wife to a stranger. Those are both very cruel, but obviusly one way more painful than the other.

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2005, 02:15 PM
peepee
Everytime I hear that word, I feel like I&#39;m being castrated.

What&#39;s wrong with the word penis?

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Che y Marijuana+Aug 18 2005, 12:56 AM--> (Che y Marijuana @ Aug 18 2005, 12:56 AM)
[email protected] 17 2005, 02:15 PM
peepee
Everytime I hear that word, I feel like I&#39;m being castrated.

What&#39;s wrong with the word penis? [/b]
lol I don&#39;t know why I don&#39;t like saying penis much. I prefer peepee..its cuter. Its just penis sounds very odd. And cock and dick don&#39;t really work either...

[bed_of_nails]

Originally posted by DarkAngel+Aug 17 2005, 10:15 PM--> (DarkAngel @ Aug 17 2005, 10:15 PM)
Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 18 2005, 12:56 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 02:15 PM
peepee
Everytime I hear that word, I feel like I&#39;m being castrated.

What&#39;s wrong with the word penis?
lol I don&#39;t know why I don&#39;t like saying penis much. I prefer peepee..its cuter. Its just penis sounds very odd. And cock and dick don&#39;t really work either... [/b]
&#39;Vagina&#39; isnt a very romantic word wither.

It literally is Latin for "Sheath".

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by DarkAngel+Aug 17 2005, 11:15 PM--> (DarkAngel @ Aug 17 2005, 11:15 PM)
Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 18 2005, 12:56 AM

[email protected] 17 2005, 02:15 PM
peepee
Everytime I hear that word, I feel like I&#39;m being castrated.

What&#39;s wrong with the word penis?
lol I don&#39;t know why I don&#39;t like saying penis much. I prefer peepee..its cuter. Its just penis sounds very odd. And cock and dick don&#39;t really work either... [/b]
Penis&#33; penis&#33;&#33; penis&#33;&#33;&#33;

Desensitize yourself; let the immorality flow, yeah. Anyone remember that game? :lol:

I don&#39;t find sexual organs "cute"... (I don&#39;t really like the words either) I don’t know why; so I use the standard words. Male appendage maybe?


&#39;Vagina&#39; isnt a very romantic word wither.

It literally is Latin for "Sheath".

Alright, from now on I&#39;m using the terms "sword" and "sheath;" now that&#39;s romance&#33; :P

[Thomas]

Oops; almost forgot about neck rings, where women stretch their necks with brass rings… not a safe idea… probably bad to stretch out your neck vertebrae.

Bad idea? From what I heard is a women cheats on her husband then the husband has the right to remove the rings, which (due to the women developing almost no neck/shoulder muscle) causes their neck to break and usually results in death.

Pork Sword and Pink Pocket :)

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2005, 01:14 PM
It started with Judaism... When wandering the desert, you dont want to get some sand caught in there. Could itch a wee bit.
There are many cultures that do male circumcision, that have not been in contact with the Jews.

Many cultures do it to imitate the menstruating of women.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 02:04 AM
Many cultures do it to imitate the menstruating of women.
What? Why? How does that idea play through?

[Organic Revolution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 02:01 AM

Oops; almost forgot about neck rings, where women stretch their necks with brass rings… not a safe idea… probably bad to stretch out your neck vertebrae.

Bad idea? From what I heard is a women cheats on her husband then the husband has the right to remove the rings, which (due to the women developing almost no neck/shoulder muscle) causes their neck to break and usually results in death.

Pork Sword and Pink Pocket :)
so if a women cheats on her husband she deserves death, but if a man cheats on his wife, what happens? a slap on the wrist at most, a party at the least.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by organic revolution+Aug 18 2005, 08:11 AM--> (organic revolution &#064; Aug 18 2005, 08:11 AM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 02:01 AM

Oops; almost forgot about neck rings, where women stretch their necks with brass rings… not a safe idea… probably bad to stretch out your neck vertebrae.

Bad idea? From what I heard is a women cheats on her husband then the husband has the right to remove the rings, which (due to the women developing almost no neck/shoulder muscle) causes their neck to break and usually results in death.

Pork Sword and Pink Pocket :)
so if a women cheats on her husband she deserves death, but if a man cheats on his wife, what happens? a slap on the wrist at most, a party at the least. [/b]
We can apply these variable standards to the most oppressed people in the world:

If someone abuses their children, maybe killing them; they might go to jail and people protect generally them... life goes on.

If an abused child defends their person by killing their parents; they can be disowned, put in prison for decades, worse if they are older, they lose everything.

Once again the most disenfranchised people get fucked and authoritarian society looks the other way but when they fight back the spotlight goes on.

This is how many people are brought into the world and we wonder why everything is so fucked up... for everyone that stands by and lets child abuse occur, thinking it isn&#39;t your "business"; I hope you suffer and die soon.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2005, 09:04 AM
Many cultures do it to imitate the menstruating of women.
How strange, why would they want to imitate menstruating?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Non&#045;Sectarian Bastard&#33;+Aug 18 2005, 01:44 PM--> (Non-Sectarian Bastard&#33; @ Aug 18 2005, 01:44 PM)
[email protected] 18 2005, 09:04 AM
Many cultures do it to imitate the menstruating of women.
How strange, why would they want to imitate menstruating? [/b]
That is what I asked :P Doesn&#39;t seem to make sense does it?

[Hiero]

You know how women grow quicker then males, well some societies believe it is because they mentraute, thus getting out bad blood allowing them to grow quick.

So the bleed at the penis to imitate. In the Papua they also practice nose bleeding.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2005, 07:47 PM
You know how women grow quicker then males, well some societies believe it is because they mentraute, thus getting out bad blood allowing them to grow quick.

So the bleed at the penis to imitate. In the Papua they also practice nose bleeding.
Ah; a few societies seem to think bleeding is beneficial... somehow the correlation with dying doesn’t make the impact it should :wacko:

[Fidelbrand]

Wow, i wouldn&#39;t call that circumcision. It&#39;s a literal "suspension" to the right of one&#39;s usage of her private part and it&#39;s really inhumane. :(

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I contend that &#39;cirumcision&#39; in this case is a euphemism. I hate euphemisms.

[Mastermind]

that&#39;s incredibly fucked up

[Hiero]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Aug 20 2005, 08:52 PM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Aug 20 2005, 08:52 PM)
[email protected] 19 2005, 07:47 PM
You know how women grow quicker then males, well some societies believe it is because they mentraute, thus getting out bad blood allowing them to grow quick.

So the bleed at the penis to imitate. In the Papua they also practice nose bleeding.
Ah; a few societies seem to think bleeding is beneficial... somehow the correlation with dying doesn’t make the impact it should :wacko: [/b]
They understand that to much bleeding will kill them. When women menstraute they are really getting out blood that isn&#39;t going to cause a lose, so males control their bleeding to imitate the same flow.

[Enragé]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:23 AM
I was reading about the subject. And I found some very disturbing info. In some cultures (mostly muslim) It is proper to to circumcise a young girl, before marriage, or when they reach a certain age. The young female is pinned down by her female relatives, and her vagina is sewed closed. Then her legs binded together for 40 days, allowing tissue to grow. Then a hole is piecred were urine leaves, and another where menstrual flow comes. When the women is married and wishes to have children, her husband must cut her vagina open with his penis, or a knife is neccesary. The clit is also cut off, to prevent the female from enjoying the processes at all. After the child is born, her vagina is then again sewed together, to prevent her from being unfaithful to her husband...

When I was reading that all I can think was OWWWIIEEEE :(
this is so fucking sick

[Brennus]

All genital mutilation is disgusting. The normal human body functions perfectly well as it was created, and does not need any permanent tampering unless a serious injury occurs. No parent can mutilate their children in such a way and claim to love them, and every doctor who performs these operations is a hypocrite of the highest order.

If you want to see a good discussion of male circumcision, go here:

comradeche .com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4859&hl=circumcision&st=0

Note: because of this forums policy of blocking out that website, one has to manually type in "http://www.comradeche" and then copy/paste the rest into your browser as I can not type the full link here without it being automatically censored. If you don&#39;t like this hassle, contact this forum&#39;s administration.

The discussion is only 2 pages long, and both sides present well written arguments.



And equating male circumcision with female genital mutilation is fucking wrong. The scale of the procedure is completely different and with female genital mutilation, every instance is a negative outcome, which is definitely not the case for male circumcision.

How is it fucking wrong? I&#39;ve had a large chunk of my genitals chopped off and this is somehow not equal to the same action on a woman? Having the most sensitive part of my penis removed did not have a "negative outcome?" - Go fuck yourself.

[Hiero]

How is it fucking wrong?

Im guessing you meant to say something different?


this is somehow not equal to the same action on a woman?

Yes it is not equal, you still have sexual feeling. Also the method of actually sowing up a vagina is physically stoping any sexual action.

Although since this is not sourced by the original post, i am not sure if it i is real and how popular it is.

[Brennus]

Yes it is not equal, you still have sexual feeling. Also the method of actually sowing up a vagina is physically stoping any sexual action.

I have no idea what kind of sexual feeling I might have had if I was whole, and I will never be able to find out either. Regardless of what longterm effects something has, if someone causes another harm, even without doing permanent damage, it is still bad and painful.

[Carmen]

Man I actually felt sick when i read that, that&#39;s put me right off breakfast.

[dopediana]

genital mutilation is practiced in chauvinistic societies where women do not have any autonomy over their actions, much less their bodies. circumcision is a means of denegration. btw, i learned today that polygamy is actually having mistresses on the side. polygyny is the practice of having several wives.

[dopediana]

and male circumcision is practiced to appear civilized and in no way detracts from sexual pleasure the way female circumcision does. in fact, ceremonies where men are circumcized are in no way the same sick procedure as when it occurs to women and are not as life threatening in the least.

[DarkAngel]

Wow I can&#39;t believe some of you think that what they do to these women actual equals to male circumsision. And your argument is that you&#39;ll never be able to feel a stronger orgasim, or that you weren&#39;t given a choice. Be grateful you have sexual feeling, be glad you can experience an orgasim, and to tell you the truth 99% of the women I know, (including myself) would rather have a circumsised dick then a none circumsised dick. And please do not compare your foreskin being cut at birth, to a poor teenage girls clit being cut off, and then her opening sewed together, while her family holds her down.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2005, 08:42 PM
Wow I can&#39;t believe some of you think that what they do to these women actual equals to male circumsision.
Who has said that?


And your argument is that you&#39;ll never be able to feel a stronger orgasim, or that you weren&#39;t given a choice.

Right; that doesn&#39;t sound like considering them as equally inhibited but a comparison of the general inhibition.


Be grateful you have sexual feeling, be glad you can experience an orgasim,

Now this is offensive. Be grateful you where only beaten as a child and not sexually abused. What kind of a fucked up argument is that? Are people not allowed to be outraged when they are mutilated, regardless of the magnitude?


and to tell you the truth 99% of the women I know, (including myself) would rather have a circumsised dick then a none circumsised dick.

Great&#33; Because I like women emotionally distressed and subordinate.

Do unnatural and inhuman preferences make it right? Some people like women’s genitals mutilated…


And please do not compare your foreskin being cut at birth, to a poor teenage girls clit being cut off, and then her opening sewed together, while her family holds her down.

Genital mutilation is genital mutilation. I agree; to equate them is absurd as the magnitude of mutilation varies greatly but they are both the same type of inhumane treatment.

[dopediana]

what you are not comprehending electmarx is that genital mutilation of women is SEXUAL SUBORDINATION&#33; the fact that some cultures circumcise men is not emotionally or physically harrowing as female circumcision. i suggest you read the book "desert flower" by waris dirie and get the full picture behind the societies that treat their women thus. it KILLS. yet it makes women feel clean and unslovenly because that&#39;s what they&#39;re taught, that the clitoris and minor labia are DIRTY and only sluts have them.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2005, 09:57 AM
what you are not comprehending electmarx is that
On the contrary; I fully understand your sentiment and don&#39;t see that you presented any unrepresented points.

Feel free to point out where I might have missed anything important though.


genital mutilation of women is SEXUAL SUBORDINATION&#33;

So what is the genital mutilation of males? This is an attempt to subordinate their sexuality to the moral standards of a society; again, just a lesser magnitude but with the same motives.


the fact that some cultures circumcise men is not emotionally or physically harrowing as female circumcision.

That is a given.


i suggest you read the book "desert flower" by waris dirie and get the full picture behind the societies that treat their women thus. it KILLS.

I already know of the atrocities of genital mutilation; is this really going to give me any other insight or just depressing intimate detail?


yet it makes women feel clean and unslovenly because that&#39;s what they&#39;re taught, that the clitoris and minor labia are DIRTY and only sluts have them.

Inhumane social stigmas often incur such self-degrading mentalities; just look at how people (again, mostly women) starve themselves for inane physical "beauty" standards.

[Postteen]

I was reading about the subject. And I found some very disturbing info. In some cultures (mostly muslim) It is proper to to circumcise a young girl, before marriage, or when they reach a certain age. The young female is pinned down by her female relatives, and her vagina is sewed closed. Then her legs binded together for 40 days, allowing tissue to grow. Then a hole is piecred were urine leaves, and another where menstrual flow comes. When the women is married and wishes to have children, her husband must cut her vagina open with his penis, or a knife is neccesary. The clit is also cut off, to prevent the female from enjoying the processes at all. After the child is born, her vagina is then again sewed together, to prevent her from being unfaithful to her husband...

When I was reading that all I can think was OWWWIIEEEE

I was speechless when I read that&#33;Hell, I hadnt heard it before&#33;It&#39;s unbelievable&#33;It&#39;s sick&#33;I agree with DarkAngel and with GrungyFolk...It&#39;s like the relatives are invading her private life.There is no freedom, no rights, not even one of the simplest things on earth, enjoying sex&#33;Women have too much to fight for especially in those societies, but unfortunately they consider this circumcision (and other things they&#39;re going through)"normal" and they aren&#39;t even questioning these things, not even thinking to revolt&#33;It&#39;s so sad....Women are still treated like rubbish...

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 1 2005, 02:59 AM
but unfortunately they consider this circumcision (and other things they&#39;re going through)"normal" and they aren&#39;t even questioning these things, not even thinking to revolt&#33;It&#39;s so sad....Women are still treated like rubbish...
Yes... I don&#39;t suppose you&#39;d miss something you never knew :unsure: and that is what they are told is "right" :(

[Elect Marx]

As sporadically as people visit this thread, I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve gotten a response on my comments half the time... to paraphrase; *BUMP

[Master Che]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:23 AM
I was reading about the subject. And I found some very disturbing info. In some cultures (mostly muslim) It is proper to to circumcise a young girl, before marriage, or when they reach a certain age. The young female is pinned down by her female relatives, and her vagina is sewed closed. Then her legs binded together for 40 days, allowing tissue to grow. Then a hole is piecred were urine leaves, and another where menstrual flow comes. When the women is married and wishes to have children, her husband must cut her vagina open with his penis, or a knife is neccesary. The clit is also cut off, to prevent the female from enjoying the processes at all. After the child is born, her vagina is then again sewed together, to prevent her from being unfaithful to her husband...

When I was reading that all I can think was OWWWIIEEEE :(
Holy crap that sucks. I dont understand why they even do it? If they&#39;re so called god gave a women a clit then why would they remove it? Isnt that against what he created?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 08:01 PM
Holy crap that sucks. I dont understand why they even do it? If they&#39;re so called god gave a women a clit then why would they remove it? Isnt that against what he created?
Well, it would seem fundamentalists are immune to logical analysis.

For example:

If "God" gave us our perception and intelligence; why is it wrong to trust that they show us no god?

What if you were blinded by someone that said, "trust me, a good reason for your blindness is written down?" Just have faith...

...religion is psychological masochism.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Of course it is. In fact, that&#39;s what religion is mostly about.

This thing is atrocious. There&#39;s no way to justify this, especially considering that if there is a gender which tends to "cheat", it is supposed to be us males, not females.

It&#39;s just religious showing it&#39;s darkest face: the oppressive, pro-ruling class, "she&#39;s my private property" one.