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Paradox
13th August 2005, 22:19
Vigilante Watch Principles

All legal observers must agree to be both Non-Violent and Non-Confrontational with the vigilantes.

Through non-violence and non-confrontation we are directly challenging the hatred and fear that still exists towards people of color in the 21st century.

We must remember that the vigilantes are human beings and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. Though we may disagree with their positions and think their activities are both immoral and illegal, it is important to remember their humanity. We can not defeat hatred with hatred.

We are struggling for a better society and it would be counter-productive to have malice towards another when we are hoping that we can someday live in a society where human beings do not have malice towards others because of the color of their skin.

The problem of race relations in 21st century America goes well beyond the Minutemen. We should not simply dismiss the Minutemen as evil racists, rather we can use them to see a larger problem in our society.

Many of the vigilantes believe their society is being overrun by a ‘flood’ or ‘invasion’ of people from Latin America. They see their society slowly changing; more Spanish
surnames at their childrens’ schools, more advertising in Spanish, a greater presence of people of color in positions of power. These are the changes that many of the Minutemen fear, and it is a fear that many Americans agree with.

We must remain non-violent because you can not beat the ignorance out of someone. While the ‘mission’ is not to change the minds of the Minutemen, we must remember that we must not sink down to their level and hold hatred in our hearts towards people we perceive to be different. Of course this also requires that we be non-violent and non-confrontational with the Minutemen.

While in the desert with the Minutemen we also adhere to a strict policy of non-confrontation. This includes not engaging in political conversation with the Minutemen. While we may certainly listen to anything a Minutemen would wish to tell us, we will not engage in a political debate with these individuals.

While in the desert we will not get into a shouting match and yell with Minutemen so that the media can take good pictures and have a few soundbites for the evening news. The problem is much bigger then an individual Minutemen and Legal Observer. We must keep this in mind and be willing to bite our tongues for the sake of the larger movement.

It is certainly a test of your pride and humility to have someone yell at you and know that you could show them how faulty their logic and facts are yet instead you remain quiet.

Our willingness to go out in the middle of the desert and stand behind armed individuals is our political statement. We are using our bodies, our lives, to denounce hatred and fear towards people of color and to call for an end to the needless suffering that occurs on the U.S.-Mexico border.

We do not hold picket signs, nor do we chant, but our message is certainly conveyed.

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Anyone here from Arizona or California an observer to the Minuteman Project? The minutemen are supposed to start patrolling here in Texas, as well as in New Mexico, this October. I picked up a flyer from the ACLU asking for people to volunteer to follow the minutemen out into the desert and watch to make sure nothing happens, i.e. they don't go shooting up a storm. What do you think of this idea? They want strict non-violence, even if the minutemen attack the volunteers, and many of them are members of White-Power groups. What do you think?

bed_of_nails
15th August 2005, 06:28
If someone begins trying to kill me, I garuntee you that "Non-Violence" is going out the window.

When my life is endangered I will not hesitate to engage an opponent.

Clarksist
15th August 2005, 07:18
We must remember that the vigilantes are human beings and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. Though we may disagree with their positions and think their activities are both immoral and illegal, it is important to remember their humanity. We can not defeat hatred with hatred.


Why not violently resist them? Saving non aggressors lives is much more important than the lives of people hunting human beings.

As Malcolm X once said:

"'Why are you advocating violence?' Because I am responding to violence. If your house was on fire and I came and told you, why would you accuse me of starting it? You should be thankful to me. Maybe you can still save your house if your fast enough."


We must remain non-violent because you can not beat the ignorance out of someone. While the ‘mission’ is not to change the minds of the Minutemen, we must remember that we must not sink down to their level and hold hatred in our hearts towards people we perceive to be different.


What? People want to fight the Minutemen because they are killing people, not because they are killing others. We should mobilly disarm them. Singing Cumbaya doesn't do that.


It is certainly a test of your pride and humility to have someone yell at you and know that you could show them how faulty their logic and facts are yet instead you remain quiet.


Not when they are actively killing people who are only searching out a better life.

FUCK the minutemen. They are hunting people because they are afraid for their jobs, or their bratty kid's grading curve at school.

The idea of resistence is to resist. Not just to sit around. How is that even action?


Our willingness to go out in the middle of the desert and stand behind armed individuals is our political statement. We are using our bodies, our lives, to denounce hatred and fear towards people of color and to call for an end to the needless suffering that occurs on the U.S.-Mexico border.


Stand behind them? Holy fucking shit.

Out of the way, silent, and not even holding signs, or stopping the minutemen.

This is why they are able to continue. We must strike them.

We owe them nothing.

rikaguilera
17th August 2005, 16:29
The minutemen are a bunch of gun toting racist who are acting outside of the law. I have stated here before, my feelings for these worthless people. I have grouped together some of my friends, and we have already gone out twice now to display the positions of these racist as they hide in the brush. We have flooded their positions with lights and loud music. We were approached by a state trooper, but he was unable to do anything to us, as we were not breaking any laws. We were making some angry, but not breaking any laws. We followed a small group for a while, but then they did try to confront us. One of my friends is a S.A. Police officer, so that helped in keeping the assholes at bay. We will be going out again to expose their hiding spots, and hopefully anger some into frustration. I am tired of the "redneck" ways of my country, and just can't stand back anymore. It looks like we are going to be a group of ten this next time out, and I am sure that we will split and cover more ground. I know it is not a huge action, and It may only be affecting a small number of so called "patriots" out on the border, but it is my way of doing something.
These pople are owed nothing. I hope they get angry, and I hope they all go to hell as well.

Ultra-Violence
18th August 2005, 05:02
Un-Employd drunk red-necks!

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