The Revolutionary Anti Imperialist Alliance.

[London Communist]

The anti war movement in Britain is now more or less dead.

Under the leadership of the Stop the War Coalition (StWC), the anti war movement has FAILED to provide any source of consistent and organised resistance to the wars waged by the US/UK axis.

The reasons for the failure of the StWC lead anti war movement are many:

1.) The StWC failed to give the anti war movement a clear class line on the nature of the anti war movement and allowed the anti war movement to be dominated by the reformist liberal middle class elite, who in turn never had any intention of organising any EFFECTIVE opposition to the war outside the boundaries of reformist parliamentary lobbying and appealing to a few has been reformist Mps inside the Labour Party.

2.) The StWC failed to give room for alternative views and opinions within the anti war movement, as the StWC was intent on only allowing the reformist MPs and middle class liberals from the Green Party/liberal media/academic institutions a sole monopoly on speaking on behalf of the anti war movement.

3.) The StWC refused to consider the class nature of the imperialist system and failed to consider the drive behind imperialist wars which is none other than the contradictions within the capitalist system itself.

4.) Given the StWC middle class led reformsim/liberalism and given the inability of the StWC to view the class contradictions behind the imperialist system, the StWC has failed to engage to ONLY class that has the ability to halt the imperialist system and to stop the ruling class wars, the WORKING CLASS.

5.) In line with it's reformism, the StWC has not considered a genuine anti imperialist struggle. The StWC is content with peaceful demonstrations with police permission that achieve nothing of any real substance. A ritual demo through London twice a year will NOT stop ANY wars. The anti war movement must be a day to day struggle in every aspect and in relation to every part of the imperialist system.

6.) Only by organised working class resistance to imperialism, built on solid class lines and armed with a revolutionary analysis of the imperialist system can we build a day to day struggle against imperialist wars. The StWC will never go along this path, their reformism and middle class make up prevents them from seeing things along the class line.

Due to the very bad state the anti war movement is in, I want to invite people on this forum to join me and help build the Revolutionary Anti Imperialist Alliance (RAIA).

The RAIA e-mail is: [email protected]

[Commie Rat]

bah. . . i feel the need for some DA

[The Feral Underclass]

They idea is a very good one but what is your politics outside of being anti-imperialist?

[London Communist]

As long as members of the RAIA agree on the need for a working class revolutionary anti imperialist form of resistance for the anti war movement, then all people of the many different currents of the left can join.

Anarchist (of all currents), Liberatarian Marxists, revolutionary socialists, Leninists (of all currents) etc... all these ideologies members can have as long as they agree with the basis of RAIA, can join.

I do NOT want RAIA to become a front for some particular party, like the StWC is for the SWP.

Far left parties can join and help out in RAIA, but they must do so on the basis that they cannot control RAIA and that they would have to work with other parties on an equal basis within RAIA.

As for my personal political beliefs, I reject reformism in ALL it's forms. I oppose elections, peaceful protest and other reformist actions as having been tried for decades to no avail. I think the working class should now work outside the official trade union movement where possible as the trade union leadership is wholly reformist and they have betrayed the working class over and over again.

I reject working class participation in non proletarian political issues like the 'liberal-left' scene of the Green Party and other fake left non-class based politics.

On these issues I could be called a Left Communist.

I used to be a Trotskyist, but I reject the reformism that dominates the politics of Trotskyist groups like the SWP/SP etc... such as their standing in elections and the Trorskyist concept of a 'Transitional Programme'.

I agree with Leon Trotsky of the need for a global revolution as oppsed to 'socialism in one country' which only destroyed the USSR via capitalist encirclement.

On the vanguard question, I have yet to make up my mind.

Is vanguardism itself a failure or is it just that previous models of the vaungaurd like China and the USSR just individual failures with a poor leadership that took the incorrect line of Marxist theory.

The reason Im stuck on this is due to the lack of any successful anarchist model in history. Spain in the civil war was too short to make an example of and in the end the anarchists failed in Spain, I know along with the rest of the left.

Even if i agree with vanguardism, I think that a non-vanguardist society should be made a SOON as possible after the revolution, not like the USSR with over 80 years of it.

Im stuck though on whether a vanguard is needed in the pre-revolutionary stage in relation to organising the revolution and helping the workers to free themselves.

[bolshevik butcher]

I think this seems very isolationists. I mean why not protest? Why not set up platforms? Its the easiest way to get your message out.

[London Communist]

I think this seems very isolationists. I mean why not protest? Why not set up platforms? Its the easiest way to get your message out.

TWO MILLION people went on a demonsrtation on the 15th Feb. 2003 and it did NOT stop the war nor did it really damage the government.

Nor have the demonstrations that took place after that one achieve ANY of the objectives like getting the UK troops to be pulled out of Iraq, in fact the government is now talking of sending in more troops.

Two million people on a demonstration, you can't really get a bigger demo than that so how is MOR of the same, more demonstrations, going to change anything.

You say it's a good way to get people over to our ideas,all well and good but futile of the people we win over are not going to do anything about it.

I see many British people saying the war is bad, Premier Blair lied to us etc... but just having anti war opinions is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

The capitalist system and imperialism are NOT going to stop or change their ways due to 'public opinion' because under a capitalist system public opinion is just one big con the system uses and talks about to fool people into thinking the government takes into account their views.

The institutions that SUPPORT and MAKE UP the capitalist/imperialist system need to be stoped!

It is better to organise the people to have the weapon factories that make the bombs and guns for the imperialists shut down.

It is better to get the British soldiers to our side, help them rebel, help them escape the army and to help them wreck the military chain of command.

It is better to work to give real support to the anti imperialist resistance in Iraq to help them help us defeat the imperialist system and at the same time we must as communist work with the Iraqi proletarians to build a REAL communist movement in Iraq, not the fake 'communists' and reformists/revisionists of the Iraqi 'Communist' Party or the WCPI.

Real dissent and resistance is a day to day living reality, not some bi-annaul event were you seek the CONSENT of the pig-police force to march down a set route.

Dissent and resistance is working outside the boundaries of the system, not confining the people into the fake show of 'freedoms' and 'democracy' that the capitalist system gives us.

Direct action, supporting UK soldiers who rebel, supporting the Iraqi resistance, helping Iraqi communists, disabling the imperialist economic system:

All of these are what is needed to destroy the imperialist system and thus STOP further imperialist wars.

Only the working class has this potential and only with a revolutionary line and a class line can the workers build the movement to destroy imperialism.

The liberal middle class and fake left reformists and the utopian pacifists have had their day! They have done nothing of substance to defeat imperialism and now those who can defeat it must!

[bolshevik butcher]

I am not saying a demo changes something in istelf but its a display of power. It ceratainly shows something if you can get 2milloin poeple out onto the streets. Thats not to say i rule out other forms of protest.

[slim]

2 million people on a protest or 2 million people attacking the system.

One is better and will give results. Make the cappies feel the pinch.

[JC1]

It is better to work to give real support to the anti imperialist resistance in Iraq to help them help us defeat the imperialist system and at the same time we must as communist work with the Iraqi proletarians to build a REAL communist movement in Iraq, not the fake 'communists' and reformists/revisionists of the Iraqi 'Communist' Party or the WCPI.


Wait a minitute, there is a legitimate Communist party in Iraq. Hizb Al-Shuyuri Al Iraq Al-Kader (ICP(Cadre). and Then there is the WCPI, witch orginizied the Basra oil Workers.

[London Communist]

Yes the ICP Cadre faction is a genuine communist movement, I was refering to the fake communists of the main party that now sits in the US puppet parliament in Baghdad.

The WCPI have an incorrect position in that they want an international occupation of Iraq under the UN instead of the US occupation.

Both are imperialist and only a free Iraq with no imperialist troops is the only demand us communists must stand for.

[Decolonize The Left]

London, do what you have to do. Organizing a party is great. Just don't get yourself killed.

And maybe if you succeed, you can come over to America and we'll tear this shit down too....

-- August

[London Communist]

London, do what you have to do. Organizing a party is great. Just don't get yourself killed.

The RAIA is a anti imperialist anti war movement, NOT a party.

If it was a party, I would not urge memebrs from ALL far-left ideologies to join RAIA.

I don't think this will kill me.

I do support armed revolutionary struggle, just that I am not stupid enough to advertise such actions I would be invloved with on a open internet forum.

[Decolonize The Left]

Very well, just looking out for you man.

-- August

[RedAnarchist]

So, what actions would the RAIA be taking?

[bolshevik butcher]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 06:05 PM
2 million people on a protest or 2 million people attacking the system.

One is better and will give results. Make the cappies feel the pinch.
Im not gonna say that 2million people attacking the system isnt better but why not do both, amybe those 2million peple didnt wanna attack the system?

[London Communist]

I don't know what others think on here, but given that RAIA is an anti war group, should I build on from that to build a real proletarian communist party?

Please do not say there are too many parties in the UK, as they are all trotskyist, reformist or revisionist.

I mean build a REAL communist party in Britain.

Has anyone given this any thought???

The Heathrow strike and the current upsurge in workers dissenting against their bosses has made me think that a party should be made to unite this workers dissent into a revolutionary movement.