Thought

[Dominya]

Who here believes we are pre-destined? who believes we are all one? who believes thought creates?

Ok well i want to talk about thought.
Thought creates its as easy as that, look around you. Everything man made around you started as a thought in someones head, your monitor, hard drive, stereo, the music you'r listening to, they all have one thing in common. Thats right! thought.

So moving on it is fair to say thought creates. i personally i believe i can control and alter my reality through thought. Has anyone ever thought of someone and meat them? Or the phone rings?

That is your mind acting on a subliminal level

[LSD]

Everything man made around you started as a thought in someones head

Absolutely, everything man made.


So moving on it is fair to say thought creates.

Thought can create, it doesn't nescessarily, nor is it the only thing that can.


i personally i believe i can control and alter my reality through thought.

Then you'd be wrong.


Has anyone ever thought of someone and meat them? Or the phone rings?

Sure, it's called coincidence. It happens all the time.


That is your mind acting on a subliminal level

You're right, but not in the way you think. Your mind is operating subconcsiouly, but insofar as your memories of events, not the events themselves.

Simply put, you remember the noteworthy and foget the ordinary. So you have a sharp clear memory of the times that a thought coincided with reality, but only a fuzzy nebulous memory of all the times that it didn't. This makes you believe that the rare is the ordinary and the coincidental the significant.

Once you begin actively looking for such occurences, your memory of them becomes even sharper still and your amazement more so.

Unfortunately, all the studies conducted on "ESP" and related phenomena have shown them to be entirely without merit. The human brain, like all organs, has its limits; limits which do not extend to the "supernatural".

[which doctor]

Thought is not everything. Nature was not made by thought.

[Decolonize The Left]

Thought doesn't create in itself. Thought leads to action, which creates. For example, when have you ever thought real hard about a sandwich, then BAM!, there it is. Never. You can think you want one, then go make one, and eat it. Thought only leads to action, which creates.

You're right when you say everything around us was created. But to say thought created it all is a flasehood. Thought was the orgins of these items, thought and imagination, but it was action that created everything.

-- August

[Dominya]

Of course, but what controls the action?

[Dominya]

And if you want to go to nature than you need to view things from 3 possilbe perspectives.

1. If you have a religion then your god created the universe
2. If your scientific the world was created by chance (pretty big chance)
3. The Universe and nature have always been here.

Just my views

[Decolonize The Left]

What controls action? Reflex, and your mind contol the action. But the original statement was insinuating that thought alone made things happen, or created things. And this is incorrect. All creation requires action, and while the mind might guide the hand, it is this the hand which creates.

-- August

[Gnosis]

Dominya, you are absolutely on the right track.

There is but one universe of many, many parts and we just so happen to be one of those parts.

We are one being, you and I, our apparent seperation is but an illusion.

The universe is formed of digital, holographic, electromagnetic vibrations which interact with each other to various extents on various levels.

Think of the light spectrum if you wish for an example of what i call "levels" of vibration.
On one "end" of that light spectrum, we will see "level" red, however on what appears to be the opposite end of the spectrum, we percieve level blue.

The color perceived depends upon the frequency of the vibration of the light, the vibration frequency of the object interacting with the light and the vibration frequency of the eye and mind which are perceiving the light.

I will use a plastic ball as an example of an object which may interact with light.

The ball is blue because its vibration frequency is set so that it absorbs every color on the spectrum which is not vibrating on level "blue", and reflects that light vibration which IS set on blue.

Therefore, if there is an eye and mind with "normal" human light perception viewing that ball while light is interacting with it, and the only light being reflected off the ball is vibrating on the blue frequency, then the color of the ball will appear to be blue.

The level of vibration of an object depends on the frequency of the light of the object.

Light is pure energy. Energy is matter, and matter is the composition of all tangible objects on this level or plane of existence. E equals MC squared, right? Energy equals matter multiplied by its own speed or velocity or frequency of vibration squared.

What that means is this: I am light vibrating on the human frequency level, therefore, i appear and behave "human".
Frequency of vibration is speed of vibration.
I interact with other light forms vibrating on varying frequency levels.
Those various "things" i perceive around me such as my keyboard are accessible to me because they vibrate on a similar frequency as my body and mind.

There are many dimensions of this universe.
Those dimensions of the universe which i do not consciously interact with most of the time dont seem to immediately exist because they do not vibrate at the same velocity that I or my more immediate surroundings do.

If I was to speed up or slow down the vibration frequency of every atom in my body, would I find myself on an other plane of existence?
Possibly.

YES, you may inflence your surroundings using but your mind.

ESP, clairvoyance, telekinesis, psychometry, astral projection, aura fields- these "powers" and the perceptions of them are absolutely real, dont ever let anyone tell you otherwise because they are natural to every human being.

The reason most are not regularly concious of them?
We are a fairly new species in the universe, we have yet to mature.
Most do not have the experience in the universe necessary to fully comprehend any of the information gathered by using these skills as means of perceiveing our world.
They would be not only useless to most people, but more so they would be a hinderence to most necessary natural developement.
Its a matter of evolution and where an individual is at on their journey.

However, all throughout history there have been races of people who have matured more quickly then others have, developing their talents way beyond the scope of even some of todays more developed "psychics".
Not too far from now in the future we will all develop these natural techniques and move on to our newer level of existence as a whole.

Your thoughts are electricity reacting to the chemical reactions which form your brain.
Your thoughts are vibrations in the universe just as everything else is.

You may inflence your own actions, the actons of others, the thoughts of others, the emotions of others, and a whole variety of other situations simply by developing the deepest understanding of yourself and the way you truely function as a manifest being.
By projecting a thought or emotion vibration into the larger energy field which is your immediate universe, you are guaranteed a return vibration or at least an interaction, it just depends on what you desire and how much you believe it to be yours.

Develope a sense of perspective. Realize your self in relation to your surroundings.

Its not just the man made stuff that was created by a vibration which is thought.
It depends on where on the spectrum of vibrations the manifest object claims its origin.
Intention is what I speak of.

Using your hands is always the most direct and, some might say, efficient way of manipulating your reality, but you dont always have to.
Some people once called this sort of manipulation "prayer" but such a term does not any longer apply to the art form in question.

All that which exists "outside" of your mind, also exists "inside" your mind.
The seperation between in and out is an illusion. Knowing this fully as well as other ideas allows you to understand how certain "talents" are not only possible but happening right now all around you.

Keep an open mind.

Question: What do you mean when you say "pre-destined"? I simply do not understand the term.

[Decolonize The Left]

Wow, that's quite the post. I have some comments:


I am light vibrating on the human frequency level, therefore, i appear and
behave "human".

No, you merely LOOK human. You behave how you behave for numerous reasons, but the light frequency is not one of them.


Those various "things" i perceive around me such as my keyboard are accessible to me because they vibrate on a similar frequency as my body and mind.

You can see them because with light, they reflect color, and therefore you can see them. They are still physical, tangible, objects, which will be there regardless of your presence or your frequency. For example, if you wake up and it is pitch black (i.e. you can't see shit) you will get up and possibly walk right into the table. You can't see it, there is no light frequency bouncing off it, but you felt it for damn sure. That's because it's a pysical object, regardless of what color frequency it is, it's still a physical object.


Those dimensions of the universe which i do not consciously interact with most of the time dont seem to immediately exist because they do not vibrate at the same velocity that I or my more immediate surroundings do.

So are you saying that there are loads of invisible shit everywhere but we can't see or feel, or touch them? This seems highly unlikely. I think that our universe is on one plane of existence and only if you were to travel to a different universe would you be able to experience new, or unknown objects or whatever.


If I was to speed up or slow down the vibration frequency of every atom in my body, would I find myself on an other plane of existence?

I'm pretty sure if you were able to do this (which we arn't, and will never be able to do), you're heart, brain, lungs and all other organs, would cease to function and you would die instantly, in which case you wouldn't find yourself anywhere, because you'd be dead.


ESP, clairvoyance, telekinesis, psychometry, astral projection, aura fields- these "powers" and the perceptions of them are absolutely real, dont ever let anyone tell you otherwise because they are natural to every human being.

Bullshit. If this is true, where is the evidence? Please explain to me how you can defy gravity and all other forces of nature and lift an object with your mind. It is impossible and a complete waste of time. You could be devoting your life to something worth-while, like helping people who are starving. They don't give a shit about your theories, they want fucking food.


developing their talents way beyond the scope of even some of todays more developed "psychics".

What? Care to provide some evidence of this?


You may inflence your own actions, the actons of others, the thoughts of others, the emotions of others, and a whole variety of other situations simply by developing the deepest understanding of yourself and the way you truely function as a manifest being.

No, you influence those things by doing and acting a certain way, which will in turn affect the way people think and act around you.


Using your hands is always the most direct and, some might say, efficient way of manipulating your reality, but you dont always have to.

If you're referring to drugs here, then you're correct. Those manipulate how you interpret your reality. But otherwise, this is ridiculous, and totally without factual evidence for support.


All that which exists "outside" of your mind, also exists "inside" your mind.

That's because whenever you think of something which might exist outside your mind, it becomes within your mind. But this does not apply to many things. For example: The theories of famous philosophers. If you have never read or heard of them, how do they exist within your mind? They can be formed after some contact with the writings, but otherwise they are completly unknown and un-understood to your mind.

The only worthwile advice, in my mind, in this whole post was the following:


Develope a sense of perspective. Realize your self in relation to your surroundings.

and

Keep an open mind.

Otherwise, I believe most of this to be totally pointless. Why would you spend any large amount of time trying to move your shoes with your mind? This will never happen and in the end you will find yourself wondering what you really acomplished with your life, and you will be sad.

-- August

[Gnosis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 02:30 AM
Wow, that's quite the post. I have some comments:


I am light vibrating on the human frequency level, therefore, i appear and
behave "human".

No, you merely LOOK human. You behave how you behave for numerous reasons, but the light frequency is not one of them.


Those various "things" i perceive around me such as my keyboard are accessible to me because they vibrate on a similar frequency as my body and mind.

You can see them because with light, they reflect color, and therefore you can see them. They are still physical, tangible, objects, which will be there regardless of your presence or your frequency. For example, if you wake up and it is pitch black (i.e. you can't see shit) you will get up and possibly walk right into the table. You can't see it, there is no light frequency bouncing off it, but you felt it for damn sure. That's because it's a pysical object, regardless of what color frequency it is, it's still a physical object.


Those dimensions of the universe which i do not consciously interact with most of the time dont seem to immediately exist because they do not vibrate at the same velocity that I or my more immediate surroundings do.

So are you saying that there are loads of invisible shit everywhere but we can't see or feel, or touch them? This seems highly unlikely. I think that our universe is on one plane of existence and only if you were to travel to a different universe would you be able to experience new, or unknown objects or whatever.


If I was to speed up or slow down the vibration frequency of every atom in my body, would I find myself on an other plane of existence?

I'm pretty sure if you were able to do this (which we arn't, and will never be able to do), you're heart, brain, lungs and all other organs, would cease to function and you would die instantly, in which case you wouldn't find yourself anywhere, because you'd be dead.


ESP, clairvoyance, telekinesis, psychometry, astral projection, aura fields- these "powers" and the perceptions of them are absolutely real, dont ever let anyone tell you otherwise because they are natural to every human being.

Bullshit. If this is true, where is the evidence? Please explain to me how you can defy gravity and all other forces of nature and lift an object with your mind. It is impossible and a complete waste of time. You could be devoting your life to something worth-while, like helping people who are starving. They don't give a shit about your theories, they want fucking food.


developing their talents way beyond the scope of even some of todays more developed "psychics".

What? Care to provide some evidence of this?


You may inflence your own actions, the actons of others, the thoughts of others, the emotions of others, and a whole variety of other situations simply by developing the deepest understanding of yourself and the way you truely function as a manifest being.

No, you influence those things by doing and acting a certain way, which will in turn affect the way people think and act around you.


Using your hands is always the most direct and, some might say, efficient way of manipulating your reality, but you dont always have to.

If you're referring to drugs here, then you're correct. Those manipulate how you interpret your reality. But otherwise, this is ridiculous, and totally without factual evidence for support.


All that which exists "outside" of your mind, also exists "inside" your mind.

That's because whenever you think of something which might exist outside your mind, it becomes within your mind. But this does not apply to many things. For example: The theories of famous philosophers. If you have never read or heard of them, how do they exist within your mind? They can be formed after some contact with the writings, but otherwise they are completly unknown and un-understood to your mind.

The only worthwile advice, in my mind, in this whole post was the following:


Develope a sense of perspective. Realize your self in relation to your surroundings.

and

Keep an open mind.

Otherwise, I believe most of this to be totally pointless. Why would you spend any large amount of time trying to move your shoes with your mind? This will never happen and in the end you will find yourself wondering what you really acomplished with your life, and you will be sad.

-- August

No, you merely LOOK human. You behave how you behave for numerous reasons, but the light frequency is not one of them.

What are these "numerous reasons" which cause me to behave like a human?
My environment?
The chemicals in my brain?
The light which I am and reflect?
Billions of natural forces of the universe all working according to a universal law and coming together as now to form "my" interpretation of here?

If you know better than me, please do not be shy in telling me the truth of the matter, but don't tell me I'm wrong and then leave us all with no example of the truth.

Am I pre-programmed to behave as I do, or do I learn to behave in a "human" fashion only after growing up in a "human" world? How do I know to learn?

Before a human flew in an airplane, it was not "human" to fly, now we fly every where.
Before a human walked on the moon, it was not human behavior to do so, but now it IS human to do so, even if only a small ammount of humans actually do it.
Humans change, that is my point.

I am limited only to the extent that I BELIEVE that I am limited.


They are still physical, tangible, objects, which will be there regardless of your presence or your frequency. For example, if you wake up and it is pitch black (i.e. you can't see shit) you will get up and possibly walk right into the table. You can't see it, there is no light frequency bouncing off it, but you felt it for damn sure.

You can't see the table because your eyes are not made to percieve so little light.
There always light bouncing off of everything at all times, whether you percieve t or not.

What you feel when your leg bumps into a table in a dark room is an interaction between two vibrating energy source containers.

See this for a moment if you will:

EVERYTHING is light vibrating, even the table in the dark.

My legs are the result of light condensed into matter as a reaction to different chemicals and temperatures and degrees of rotation of planets and billions of other factors coming together under universal law to create the reality we see and feel and taste and hear and contemplate all around us through the duration of our existence on the plane or level of vibration.
Not just color, but taste and touch and hearing is light waves vibrating in different ways, on different "levels".

The existence of the table is the same result of the same process as which allows for my legs.

and yet I do not recognize the table as myself.
Why not?
Is it human behavior to not look at an object "outside my body" and see a reflection of my "inner self"?
Under certain conditions, ANYTHING is possible.

I sais this keyboard was vibrating on a human level, but I was not being specific.

It is not an exclusively "human" level of vibration, but a shared vibration between all "objects" in existence on this plane of the universe, whether the object is a human, a keyboard, or something else, "natural" or "artificial", or not an object at all but a thought process or emotion.

If all of the atoms which make up an object or any other expression of the infinite being are giving and recieving energy at the processing level necessary to maintain manifestation on "this" plane, then all beings and manifestations on this plane may interact with that object and with those atoms.


So are you saying that there are loads of invisible shit everywhere but we can't see or feel, or touch them? This seems highly unlikely. I think that our universe is on one plane of existence and only if you were to travel to a different universe would you be able to experience new, or unknown objects or whatever.


Yes, I am saying there exist "things" beyond the "normal" range of perception.
Yes, it does SEEM unlikely.

There is but one "IS", but there are many universes within that whole "be-ing".

Over six billion universes exist on this plane alone (one for each human, animal, plant, etc.).
Combine the total of the human universes and get one human universe.
Yes, you are correct, OUR universe exists on one plane or in one field of energy.

It is the same plane upon which the reality of the plant universe also rests, and in the difference between the two lies the physical manifestation or representation of a small fraction of the infinite possiblities this inventive universe has to explain and re-learn through the individualization known as the human consciousness.

What did I just say?
Plant universe equals one, Human universe equals one, one plus one is one, see?

How do you expect to manifest in a "different" universe and still be human?

You may experience new things as a human, but all which you percieve as a human would still be considered within the "human" spectrum of existence.

Where would this universe exist? On a different plane of existence, in a different dimension.

But wait, there is one Here, one Now.
All dimensions exist in the same place at the same time.
But its not the same time.
When traveling at the speed of light, time slows down.
Do you see?


I'm pretty sure if you were able to do this (which we arn't, and will never be able to do), you're heart, brain, lungs and all other organs, would cease to function and you would die instantly, in which case you wouldn't find yourself anywhere, because you'd be dead.

Do not limit the experiences of others simply because you dont believe in reality.

Yes, if you were to meditate long enough to actually acheive this highest goel of actually vibrating on a different plane of existence, you would cease to exist as a human in human form.
But if you are able to become THAT conscious of yourself in relation to your surroundings, you probably don't need your body any more any way.

What is your definition of death?
"Where" do "you" appear to "go" when you "cease to exist" on this "level" of "manifestation"?

To realize the ultimate oneness is a powerful experience, thats why everyone who does it either leaves for good, sticks around to help others learn, or sticks around for the joy of being on Earth.
Jesus came to tech us these truths, Buddah came to teach us these truths, and millions of others could be amoungst us right now, higher beings, "angels", all here because they want to be, because this is the place to be right now in the universe.

All space is here, all time is now, you see? It is your perception of your self in relation to your self which holds you to one form of reality or another. Believe you may exist as a conciousness without a physical body and you can, but you must understand exactly what that means.


Bullshit. If this is true, where is the evidence? Please explain to me how you can defy gravity and all other forces of nature and lift an object with your mind. It is impossible and a complete waste of time. You could be devoting your life to something worth-while, like helping people who are starving. They don't give a shit about your theories, they want fucking food.

How do you gather evidence of an illusion?
Prove to me reality exists in the first place and you will have all the evidence you need to prove to yourself how possible it is to move a mountain with your mind.
The illusion is reality, the evidence is an illusion, reality is what you make it or it is nothing at all.
Nothing is "true", therefore everything is possible.

You believe it is a waste of time to even try, you will never move a mountain with your mind, you've decided that already and its probably better off that way.

You believe helping starved people is worth-while, yet you condem me for learning these things in order to feed to you what precious information I can?

I don't see how this argument is relevent in this situation. My theory is bullshit because it doesnt feed people's bodies?

Maybe if all of those starving people would "become enlightened" they would not see the point in starving any longer and take their energy directly from the source, light. Or maybe thay would allow their body to die and encarnate again under better physical circumstances. They are starving because they want to, they need to in order to learn a lesson or teach a lesson in this lifetime. I cannot help them because I am them and they do not wish to help themselves. In fact, "helping" them might actually be a set back in their plans, but thats not possible because if my helping them isnt supposed to happen, it wont, and if it is and it is SUPPOSED to be a set back in their plans, well then it really isnt a set back at all...

Each human sets up his own reality according to what he wishes to experince and why. WE control ourselves, we are GOD, the universe is the human mind expressed in another way, just as is this keyboard or that grain of sand i just scratched from my head.
The human mind is conversely the entire universe expressed in a different way. If an apple can fly through the air, and it can if you throw it, then an apple can fly through the air if you throw it, it doesnt matter by which means it is thrown. I could use a catapult or I could use "my mind".
The apple is an extention of my mind made manifest as an apple, why wouldnt I be able to control it without using my hands, I do any way.

That which exists outside of your mind also exists inside your mind, the seperation is an illusion.
Another expression of the same truth: That which appears "outside" your mind is a reflection of what exists "inside" your mind, and vice versa.


That's because whenever you think of something which might exist outside your mind, it becomes within your mind. But this does not apply to many things. For example: The theories of famous philosophers. If you have never read or heard of them, how do they exist within your mind? They can be formed after some contact with the writings, but otherwise they are completly unknown and un-understood to your mind.

There really is no inside or outside, all sides are one side existing on one plane.

But of course, there is consciousness, and consciousness decides what is seen as immediate. Consciousness is also known as the ego, or psychological personality which either accepts or denies information recieved based on a set of learned biases often refered to as "reality".

Then there is the "sub-conscious", and it is there, behind the eye of the ego or conciousness, that all the truths of the universe begin and end.

Consider this:
The plane of physical manifestation which allows for the five senses is analogous to the ego or consciousness of the human mind.

The alternate dimensions of the exterior universe are analogous to the sub-consciousness of the human mind.

It is absolutely possible for the consciousness to accept a concept which until then was purely sub-conscious.

One may sub-consciously realize the entire universe as singular, but never be conscious of it for whatever reason applies.

It is absoluely possible for one mind to realize what another mind has realized, even if the first mind mentioned never reads the book published by the second mind mentioned.
The name of a phiosopher is irrelevent when compared to the philosophy.

The universe is an ever-expanding database full of all imaginable information which has ever, does, or will ever exist, percievable or "not".

If I never read a single book in my life but instead simply sit in a hut with my eyes closed and my thoughtful mind at ease, I may learn more in a moments flash of inspiration than a million philosophers thinking a million thoughts and each writing ten books. I, as well as all others, who in reality are me, have access to all information ever because my existence is the culmination of all information ever. You see, it may exist within my consciousness, my mind, because it has always and will always exist within my subconscious, my mind.

The universe around me is a reflection of my mind and who I am is a reflection of my universe.

So if I AM my universe, and my thoughts are an extention of myself, the universe, then why is it so impossible to know that my thoughts directly influence me, the universe?

What am I but a combination of electrical impulses interacting within a larger energy field?

"Thoughts" are the product of all of those electrical impulses and chemical reaactions which generate and basically make up the human mind.
In this way, thoughts ARE actions, simply expressed in a different way than those actions which may be expressed by the physical manifestation of those thoughts.

There is so much I know I have yet to say. I feel I might be a tad confused in my explaination, but I am not an expert yet, so don't hold it against me when I am a bit scatter-brained in my wording.

Thank you for finding at least some of my information worth reading.

I haven't even begun to express what I mean when I say these things. Its so hard for me to bring the experiences Ive shared with myself into this sort of context.

I have yet to achieve my dream of enlightenment.

Enlightenment is more than "moving your shoes with your mind", and yet, in some dreamy, poetic sense, it is just that exactly...

[Decolonize The Left]

Ok I have gathered a few things from your reply. The first is that you have taken skeptiscm as far as it can go, to claim that we don't really know if this is reality. I'll give you that, I understand skeptiscm, and while I believe that this is reality, I won't claim to be able to prove it, because hypothetic situations and questions can be raised to the contrary. So with that in mind, perhaps you don't need proof of being able to move objects with your mind, but that still doesn't mean it has been done, nor that it can be done. And until I see it, being the evidentialist I am, I won't believe it.

Now, you also claimed:

I am limited only to the extent that I BELIEVE that I am limited.

I say wrong. You are clearly limited by the laws of nature. And to this you might try to reply, well we couldn't fly, but now we can! Wrong again, we humans, cannot fly. We can build machines in which we will sit and the machine will fly, but if you stepped out the door, down you would go, no questions asked. But surely, if you are only limited as far as you believe you are limited, you can believe that you can fly. Unfortunately for you, you will continue to fall, and if you wish to call this flying, fine, but it's not, and then you will die. Which brings to my point:

What is your definition of death?
"Where" do "you" appear to "go" when you "cease to exist" on this "level" of "manifestation"?

I found your description of what happens after death hilarious. You actually believe that people can come back down to earth, and continue, as "angels"...
Why not just believe in heaven and hell while your at it?

When you die, that's it. You're dead. There is nothing. Your brain will continue to function for a matter of seconds, which will give you the feeling of a long period of dream state, but after that, it's over. There is nothing, you cease to exist as a being. That's what I think happens, and it gives me a lot more to live for. Unfortunately for you, you will spend your life pondering what is possible, and loose totally grip on what is real. Your life will pass beneath you as you dream of being able to do all these special things, and then you will die. And you will think in your death bed that perhaps you will return, for some glorious second life, but you won't. And if that makes you happy, good for you. But for me, I need to accomplish something in this life now, for example, helping the millions of people suffering today. Perhaps you can will their suffering to end, since you can do anything you believe...

-- August

[Seeker]

If I was to speed up or slow down the vibration frequency of every atom in my body, would I find myself on an other plane of existence?
Possibly.


If you slowed all your atoms down, they would cease to be atoms and your body would turn into a sandbox of subatomic particles. If you sped them all up, you would catch on fire, disintegrate, be blown away on the breeze, and eventually, accelerating (gaining energy which = mass at light speed) for all eternity, each subatomic particle in your ashes would become its own black hole.

Like Electromagnetic (EM) fields, the force of gravity stretches outward infinitely. Force weakens with distance, but never reaches 0. Therefore, no matter how far apart they were, unless all the Blackhole Gnosises were being accelerated away from eachother at a greater rate than they were gravitating toward eachother, they would eventually all merge into one Singularity. If the forces accelerating what used to be your atoms continue, the Singularity will spin itself to shreds in a Big Bang. If the force is taken away, the Singularity will bleed Hawking radiation until it no longer has enough energy to keep its form, resulting in a Big Bang.

The chemical processes of the brain create an EM field. All EM fields in existence can effect all other EM fields in existence (except for the ones that dissapear before being reached by the transmited waves of energy traveling at light speed). As with gravity, the effect weakens with distance, but it leaves open the possibility for butterfly effects. However, no one has proven if the EM field created by the brain creates a feedback loop, with the brain effecting the field which then effects the brain. IF EM fields DO have an effect on the brain, then we can be absolutly certain that every thought ever thunk has influenced every other thought thunk since (and even if they do not, then the altered universal EM field will still have an effect on local environments which will effect learning). What that influence might be, who knows? Could we even begin to decode the influence Jim is having on us from the influence of the solar wind or some distant supernova? Only in theory. All the information is there, but a modern supercomputer would likely take years to process just a second of data.




How do I know to learn?

Natural selection.





When traveling at the speed of light, time slows down.

Time is a tool invented by humans. It measures the passage of events. We observe events by interacting with what is essentially one huge EM field. If clocks didn't have hands, and instead spoke the time aloud, then "time would slow down" as you approached the speed of sound. As it is, we rely on the photons bouncing off our clocks to measure the passage of time, and so the events happening on the stationary object will appear to slow down when looked upon by a near-light speed traveler. Events are still transpiring at the normal rate, but the traveler has no way to observe them. He is moving away from the photons that hold that information but they are gaining on him slowly. If the traveler were to reverse course and head straight into the flow of photons bouncing off the stationary clock, time would appear to speed up (even at near-light speed).




I, as well as all others, who in reality are me, have access to all information ever because my existence is the culmination of all information ever.

The information is there, but there is no way to access it. It is possible, in theory, to know the precise history of every atom since the beginning of time. However, to do so you would need a perfect understanding of physics AND an impossible to collect dataset of everything as it is at the moment. You would need to know the exact position and vector of every electron, which is not possible. You can know the position, or the vector, but not both. The act of measuring one changes the other.



Nothing is "true", therefore everything is possible.

Demon: "Prove that you exist."
Descartes: "Cogito ergo sum." (I have observed myself thinking, therefore it must be true that I exist as a conscious being.)

Nothing is true until it is observed (then it becomes true that an observation was made of 'something'). I don't like determinism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism) but I do agree with the Many-Worlds Interpretation in that there are an arbitrary number of universes, each initially differing from its neighbors in just 1 way. For example, lets say that somewhere in the world right now there is a fisherman bringing home 2 fish; in a parallel universe, one of his casts would have struck the water slightly differently and he would be bringing home 3 fish (this change of events would then ripple out to eventually effect everything in the universe in some slight way).

I would not say that "everything is possible." Instead, I think that everything possible has already happened, is happening right now, and will happen again in the future an arbitrary number of times. All possible events are weighted by probability, so more universes will exist as "branches"of likely outcomes than unlikely ones. Because your brain can regulate the flow of observational bodies (electrons), it should be possible to make consecutive observations until the universe you are currently aware of "branches" the way you want it to, effectively manipulating the probability of events (such as peoples emotions, a 'coincidence' occurring, and so on).

However, the field is constantly changing. What might be possible one moment, might not be the next. In this case, hoping to observe the desired outcome is futile. For example, if my goal was for the field to look like "X" within the next 3 seconds, and I am not aware of the branch that leads to "X" within 3 seconds, it becomes in impossibility for "X" to have been the state of the field during those 3 seconds of history for the universe I am aware of. If "X" had happened, "Y" would then be possible, but now the field does not have the option of becoming "Y" (anytime soon). Therefore, it is better to have open-ended goals and not to desire one particular method for getting there.





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You can't see it, there is no light frequency bouncing off it, but you felt it for damn sure. That's because it's a pysical object, regardless of what color frequency it is, it's still a physical object.


And physical objects are equivalent to energy. You'll be killed in the process, but it is totally possible to pass through solid objects by turning yourself into light of a certain frequency and population trapping in their excited state all the atoms of the solid object you want to pass through. When a photon of just the right frequency (based on the difference in energy between an atom's excited an unexcited state) hits an excited atom, instead of being absorbed it passes through and the atom de-excites. The energy is released by the atom in the form of a photon of identical frequency and phase to the one that passed through it. If all the atoms in the table are in their excited state and some device (such as a laser with a slightly higher frequency than the light to be sent through) is keeping them that way, light of a certain frequency will pass right through.

The technology exists today to pass light through thin layers of opaque materials as if the layers were not there. However, the amount of energy that would need to be applied to the front of a table in order to excite the atoms toward the back of it would be enough to burn a hole all the way through. The first couple layers of atoms can be penetrated without destroying them.





This will never happen and in the end you will find yourself wondering what you really acomplished with your life, and you will be sad.

It would be no different than prayer or meditation. The stated goal is not the only benefit of these activities.

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I recently came across an article I think is relevant:


. . . our species is going through a phase change. Collectively, we’re turning into one big brain . . . The Internet has made everyone connected to everybody all the time . . . When water turns to steam it stays in the form of water from 1 to 100 degrees [then gains a bit more energy without a measurable temperature increase over 100] and then, in one instant…it turns to steam. Steady transitions are not what happens in nature. It’s distinctly a phase change. And I think it’s happening to us. I wonder what will happen to this tiny planet where virtual nerves start connecting that have never connected before, and we become this pulsating globe of instantaneous thought?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20050820/cm_huffpost/005954

In a similar manner, I think the stars and planets might behave like one big brain. Everything moves according to the same physical laws that direct the operations in our brains, so I don't think it is too great a leap to acknowledge some form of consciousness to any sufficiently complex system.

[Gnosis]

The "angel" is a symbol used to describe an enlightened being.
The angel I was refering to was not the fat baby with wings used as propaganda by the church now in history, but the symbolism used to describe an emotionally and intellectually enlightened being.
The wings of a free mind, the halo of purity and selflessness.
Sure, the symbols are open to interpretation, but that's my description.
To believe in what is typically called "angels" is to believe in enlightened beings, or so it is in my mind.

Heaven and hell do exist, but not as rewards or punishments after death.
Both are words which can be used to describe various emotional and intellectual stages on earth.
To be in heaven is to deeply acknowledge and be touched by the manifest beauty and goodness on earth.
Hell is like war or fear or desgust, which may also exist on earth.
I believe in both because I have experienced both.
There are more "places" to be than those two, but they are most famous, thank you Church.



When you die, that's it. You're dead. There is nothing. Your brain will continue to function for a matter of seconds, which will give you the feeling of a long period of dream state, but after that, it's over. There is nothing, you cease to exist as a being. That's what I think happens, and it gives me a lot more to live for. Unfortunately for you, you will spend your life pondering what is possible, and loose totally grip on what is real. Your life will pass beneath you as you dream of being able to do all these special things, and then you will die. And you will think in your death bed that perhaps you will return, for some glorious second life, but you won't. And if that makes you happy, good for you. But for me, I need to accomplish something in this life now, for example, helping the millions of people suffering today. Perhaps you can will their suffering to end, since you can do anything you believe...

What more to live for does nothing give you?

You know what, maybe there is "nothing" after death, but neither one of us knows or remembers and in that fact we have found the common bond which allows me to love you still, even though I would love to think mean things of you if that bond did not exist.

I must say this though, you have no place telling me what I will spend my life pondering, or how my life will pass, or what grip on reality I may or may not have.
It is not your place because you can't even reply to a post you disagree with without getting super attached and offesive.
How can someone so wrapped up in something so irrelevent as a messege board post have the patience necessary to accurately read the history of my existence and give an accurate prediction as to what I might do next, or before, or even now?

All you know of me is what i have spent time describing here, nothing more, unless you count the mutations to my person you have created in your mind and decided to believe.

I don't know what makes you think helping the suffering millions is such a noble cause.
You speak to me as if I am not one of the millions who are suffering, and you say to me "You are so wrong, how dare you exist as you are!" And it isnt even a question of how I dare to exist as I am, because you dont really want to know.

Would you rather me be starving to death in africa so that you can come and rescue me from myself and feel good about yourself for saving me?

Then you wouldnt have to listen to all of the bordom-inspired trappings of my ill-developed sense of self and environment.

You seem like the type of ego which depends on the suffering of others to feel worthwhile. If it wasn't for your "cause", you would be the suffering one, but you can feel good knowing you are needed.

The way you speak of the suffering masses almost disgusts me.
I sense you use their pain to your own benefit, like propaganda you use it to make yourself seem higher.
Arrogance like the government, capatalizing on the suffering in order to further trying to make yourself look better than me, as if I am somehow your enemy and you need to convince everyone else that I am wrong because I like to spend time thinking about what might be possible.
Using their suffering as a last ditch effort to make yourself look like selfless virtue is what desgusts me.
Its a nice thought, wanting to help them, but using it the way you did is unbecoming of a future world saver.

I wish I didnt feel like I have to defend myself against you. If you disagree with me, I can handle that, but when you start to actually try to make me feel bad so that you might feel good, I will refuse to take it without response.
Its not what you say, really, I've heard all your words before out of many mouths.
"there is nothing after death"
"reincarnation isnt real"
"there is nothing special about anything"
"limitations are real and there is no escape"
Can't you even consider anything outside yourself? Or are you all that is?
You wouldnt be wrong if you said yes to the last one...

That was my original point. All is one mind exploring the possiblities of itself.

I dont claim to know these things, however. I'm just posing explorations of conciousness in the form of word symbols.

At least the seeker had some things to add to this chain of thoughts. Though I'm not yet sure of how any of the information the seeker has provided will alter the theories Ive put out here, I have found some words of value within the context of his/her report, and I thank him/her for participating in this "discussion".
I will surely be revisiting my original thesis, doing more research, and making the necessary changes so that it is not so scattered and meaningless.

It is true, you are only limited to the extent you believe you are limited. I do not view the laws of nature as limitations, therefore I am not limited by them.
I see them as myself in different form.
I see them as the forces which allow for my existence, how could they possibly hold me back from realizing my fullest potential?

On flying:
Birds fly. Birds are one with the universe.
Humans are one with the universe. Humans can fly.
Now think about what I have just said.
Humans can fly because birds can fly, how much sense does this make?
Humans are birds, birds ARE humans, that is a point I wish you could see.
That universal energy which makes up existence can "fly", or perform in such a way as to give the illusion of flying, of bird, of sky and ground.
We are made of the same energy, we are able to perform in every way which the energy may perform.

Or maybe I dont know what Im talking about, that is the beauty of it, I don't have to know what I am talking about in order to have a good thought process.

I make assumptions about my reality all the time. I ask questions based on my assumptions because that is how I learn. I place my assumptions out in the open to see what type of response I get from my environment. I base the validity of my asumptions on the response I get from my environment.
Its that simple, really, though I am sure I've over-looked some details, and you will be eager to point them out to me, I hope.

All you need to do is consider different possiblities, you dont need to believe in anything.

Dont be so quick to write this stuff off, it makes you look bad and that wont help your career in politics.

All is love, consider the possibilities.

[Decolonize The Left]

Gnosis, firstly, I'd like to apologize for judging you. You are correct in that I don't know you, and that your opinions and thoughts are valid. You speak the truth there.

I also begin to see that you are taking a very skeptical approach to life, so as to say, if I don't know it, it could be true, or false for that matter. While this is valid in theory, I don't see any point in practicing it.


I don't know what makes you think helping the suffering millions is such a noble cause.
You speak to me as if I am not one of the millions who are suffering, and you say to me "You are so wrong, how dare you exist as you are!" And it isnt even a question of how I dare to exist as I am, because you dont really want to know.

Would you rather me be starving to death in africa so that you can come and rescue me from myself and feel good about yourself for saving me?

This is very interesting.
I think helping the suffering of others is among the noblest of causes.
I assumed through your writing that you were not suffering, and I think my assumption was valid.
I never damned your existance, ever. I asked why you would spend your life thinking about things which most likely won't ever be proven. But you answered that already in your last post.

Ok, now for the last bit. How dare you assume you know why I want to help people! And how dare you assume that it is so I can feel better! Have you never seen a homeless person and wanted to give them a home, or at least some food? Or did you just assume it was their fault?

Also, by your logic if humans are birds, then humans who are suffering are also humans who arn't. This should give you ample reason to want to help them, as in effect you would be helping yourself. So by committing yourself to leaving them to suffer, you committing yourself to suffering. I think this also could come back to the idea that 'wasting your life' on speculation is suffering in the end. Where as I am putting my skills as a human to helping others who cannot help themselves, you are putting your skills as a human to your studying that which most likely won't come to any conclusion.

You are right in that I don't understand where you might go in your thoughts or descriptions some of the time, but my point is not that at all. Here you are posting on a leftist revolutionary forum about what might be and what might happen in regards to human existence, when there are threads on revolutions of the poor in other countries just to get enough to eat. Personally I don't think you care about those other people, because in the end you think they will come back somehow to live on further in some way. I find this inhumane and cowardly as you are leaving their conscious suffering now to some uncontrolable possibility in the future.

-- August

[Gnosis]

This part I felt:


This should give you ample reason to want to help them, as in effect you would be helping yourself. So by committing yourself to leaving them to suffer, you committing yourself to suffering.

You are right in that, you know. Their suffering is my suffering.

I feel it just as you do. I am that suffering just as much as you are, just as much as they are.
You can feed them all the food you can find, you can teach them all the truth in the universe, you can give them shelter and love and hope, but will it end their suffering?
And even if it did, would it be for the best?
What world would exist if suffering did not exist?

Have you ever read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley? Its about happiness and a world without suffering.
Not to say a world without suffering would be exactly as Huxley imagined, but if you like to read its a good time.

I asked you why you though saving people from their selves was so noble, and my question was a serious one. You didn't answer me, or at least in any way which gives me an idea of what your opinion may truely be.
All I see is an immature cause, but that doesn't mean it can't develope into something more if you just think about what you are saying with a little more depth.


Ok, now for the last bit. How dare you assume you know why I want to help people! And how dare you assume that it is so I can feel better! Have you never seen a homeless person and wanted to give them a home, or at least some food? Or did you just assume it was their fault?

I assume because you don't really say any thing. If you would say how you feel in the first place, then I would take what you say for face value. But instead you will say "helping is better than thinking" and it leaves me wondering why. So I look at what you write and how you write it and I make the best estimation of your personality as I possibly can, and then I work off of that.

Maybe instead of putting so much energy into asking me how I dare assume, you caould channel your youthful exuberence into explaining to me why helping people is noble. Until then, I will continue thinking what I do about suffering.
How do I feel about suffering?

I will tel you about a few of my experiances:

I have been institutionalized. I was living in a psychology hospital for a few months. There I saw children who had been beaten so badly by their parents that they were nothing but bruisesand chaos.
I met one little boy who had his house burned down because he was puerto rican. He watched his entire family burn before being rescued by a fire fighter. He has burn scars over ninety percent of his body.
Of course I wanted to hold him when he cried.
There was one little girl named Ruth who had serious outbursts and she'd scream for her mother for hours until the staff members held her down and gave her a shot of drugs.
Never has a silence been so loud then after that girl finally stopped kicking.
Then there was Shana. She was mentally hanicapped and liked to start shit with everyone, and if you said anything mean back, she would start crying.
I remember one time when she was "out of control". The staff members chased her around the hospital wing, threw her to the ground, got on top of her and shoved a needle into her ass. All in front of me, age 15, a 12 year old, and five children under the age of ten. I understood psychology and knew we'd all be scarred for life.
I was there, 24 hours a day with those people. They pumped me so full of drugs I didnt want to move, I didnt want to think, I just sat there witnessing all this pain around me which I coulnt stop or get away from.
A year later I was locked away again in a "youth program" run by the government. Sure, I was fed, but those places are so dirty all the time, and there's no privacy, and people will steal from you and lie to your face. Social workers will tell you "Oh, you'll only be there for a week" and a year later, there you are, feeling bad for everyone who comes your way.
I have been so lost in pity that I didnt eat, I didnt sleep, I felt I had to free them, save them from the hell I found.
I've felt the urge to reach out, I felt the suffering of others, it has deeply touched my life.
I can't watch TV because I get physically weaker after more than a half hour.
I don't go outside in the day time because they don't understand what they are doing to themselves and they are suffering for it.
The cars, the pavement, the dogs on leashes with muzzles, the fact that everyone has more children then they can care for, these things tear me apart if I let them.
All are suffering in some way, not just the hungery africans, not just the homeless man, not just the poor mother of three.
Ask any one about suffering, and they'll tell you some stories. There has always been hardship, and there hopefully always will be.

So whydo I prefer to spend my time thinking about the possibilities beyond this human world?
Why do I prefer to escape to my thought world and fantasize about what might be possible for the human race?
Why am I wasting so much time talking to you?
I don't think it i a waste of time at all.
If you teach me something I didnt know, and its all because I decided to write some stupid shit about the nature or apparent nature of the universe, then all of this, the thinking, the theorizing, the rudeness, its all worth while.

If you know your mission is to help, then help, but develope your cause before you start to have an effect or else you will be lost in an emotional sea full of heartache and pain which is not necessary for you to feel.

Remember:you suffering because they suffer is not getting rid of any suffering.

I don't now have the ability to perform any action which would greatly effect the way the world system of operations is carried out.
I have no money, I would be homeless if it wasn't for the friend I'm living with.
I am a writer, that is my goel now, to write.
But I want to do more than just write, I want to inspire the imaginations of everyone I touch. I want to lift up their minds and show them "hey, this is possible, too" so maybe for a minute they can have the oppertunity to be outside themselves for a little while.
I want to help ease the suffering also, but where you seemed to be concerned with the body, I am concerned with the mind.
I think that if I showed them what could be thought, what could be said, what could be dreamed up by some nobody author, then maybe they will aspire to be more than themselves.

But here's something you should know:
I have quite a few homeless friends and aquaintences.

one third of them (roughly) work hard to eat, they may not have much of a place or many material possesions, but they survive, they can do it on their own and they know it and like it that way.

The second third have given up. They don't care about survival. They get money from charity or from parents or friends and they spend it all on drugs. They don''t want a house, they've never had one, they wouldn't know what to do with one. They're skitzophrenic drunkards with nothing to offer but a dead-end existence. Maybe they SHOULD die, then we wouldn't have to deal with junkie rapists luring young women into back allys. And we wouldn't have to deal with junkies selling to teenagers downtown, because despite the unspoken laws of ethical conduct, they do sell to teenagers downtown.

The last few of them chose to be homeless because they don't fit into society like most other people do. They like the freedom of having nothing and of not knowing what they might eat or where they might sleep next. For them, life is adventure, and free is the way to fly.

The key to helping them is getting to know them, finding out what type they are and acting accordingly, not just grouping them all together and attepting to help them all using the same method.

Do you want to know one fool-proof way to create a decline in human suffering?
Create a decline in the human population.
That's right, either kill them or let them die.
Humans will always suffer, or else there will be no poetry, no art work, no good music, nothing of value, nothing to fight for, nothing to win or loose.

If you want less human suffering, then you want less humans in existence.
Or you want a super-steryl, technologically dominated, genetically programmed, drugged, brainwashed, mechanical society.

More on suffering:
It's the children I feel for the most. I cry sometimes because of the abuse I witness and have witnessed personally.
That's one reason I don't go outside most of the day, because I see the most precious things ever destroyed by parents who don't know what they are doing.
Did you know I'm claustrophobic? I don't like walls around me for too long. The city I live in is so cowded, walls everywhere.
I don't drive a car. I dont have a license and I have internal conflict about destroying the earth.
That means I don't leave town very often. Why don't I move? I dont have any money at all. Why don't i get a job? Trying to, but who wants to hire some one so young and inexperienced. This city is a tourist attraction for retired people, antique stores and coffee shops. They discriminate against anyone who appears to be "lower class". So I'm relying on a friend for shoes, a bed and food. I consider myself very lucky to have a computer to do research on. I'm trying to better myself by staying here and learning, creating, and enjoying my time.

Everyone is stuck and suffering, you can save them all but they first must want to be saved.
If people really want to be saved, they usually save themsellves and learn lessons of more value then any piece of food you could give them, any home you could build them for free.
And the ones who don't survive?
Well, there's this thing called natural selection. The strongest and smartest will survive, and the weak and feeble will die. That is important especially now in history, the overpopulation crisis is a little more serious then most people think.

There is war all over the world. The drug war might hit home with you. Have you ever been a prisoner of war? I have, I was locked up for smoking weed.
I wanted to fight back, but I was a minor, I was immature, I didn't think about it and so I was wrong everytime. But then I got out of there, out of the foster care system where I saw more suffering then i would have liked, and I realized it was all for a reason.
I suffered and watched powerlessly as others suffered right before my eyes. And what could I offer them but a word of hope, other wise I would be risking my own safty, and I'm no martyr.

I say these things about my experiences because I want you to know not to believe I don't have an actively open heart chakra.
I do feel for other people, quite deeply I feel for even you. I feel their pain as if it were my own because I make it my own, because I know it as my own.

And not just the people I've met, either. I feel for everyone I can concieve of.

I heard a story earlier today that I will share with you now:

A woman born in Brazil grows up to be a hard-working housecleaner with three children and a beloved husband.
A close friend of this woman moves to Japan with a customer so that she could be his personal housecleaner at his home in Japan.
A few weeks later, this friend calls the Brazilian woman with news of Japan. She tells the woman that her employer will give her a high paying job for a few weeks if only she will accept a ticket to Japan.
Of course the woman says yes, she is poor and has children to feed, so she goes to Japan.
But when she gets there, she realizes she's been double crossed.
The man who flies her into Japan is a sort of pimp who kidnapps woman and uses them as slaves.
She was forced into prostetution and kept locked up in a room most of the time.
She was shipped around the world to high-paying men, to places unfamiliar, where she didnt spaek the language and couldn't possibly get home.
I suppose she was found eventually because her story was ina magazine my friend read.

There are millions of stories like this one, all of them just as terrible if not more so. Women and children are sold into prostitution all the time. The black market is huge for this trade, especially in third world countries where a man and a woman will have six or seven children together because its in their religion to do so, but then they can't feed them so they sell a few to the local brothel.

There are 13 year old girls for sale in tibet. Ten dollars gets you about 30 minutes (maybe, Im not sure) to do whatever you want ith them.

I feel for those girls deeper than I can express.

Do I think its the 13 year old girls fault that she is in that environment being treated that way? Yes and No.
Yes because if she wasn't a 13 year old girl under those circumstances, she wouldn't be a thirteen year old girl under those circumstances.
And No because she didnt sign up for that, she was born into it and forced by her surrundings to be that.
But we could go further and say Yes, it is her fault because she made the descision to be born into that part of the world as a female before her body was created for her purposes. The entity inside of her wishes to learn the lessons of a girl under those circumstances and so made itself manifest on this level under the appropriate influences.
But then again we could say No, its not her fault because people don't decide when to be born or where, it just happens through the natural chaos of the universe.
I believe in all of the above.

To directly change the world, change yourself. Learn what you can, explore what parts of your mind you can. What you learn can be used to help others.

In order to help the suffering people, you must understand the suffering people. To understand suffering, you must suffer.
If you want to lessen the suffering in the world, this method is counter productive.
To lessen the suffering in the world, be happy and in love with life, and then spread your happiness and love whenever you cn. Teach the people around you about the good things you are and know and they will see them and be enlightened.

When we are enlightened, our mere precense will enlighten those around us.

People can sense things they don't always know they are sensing.
You can probably tell when someone is suffering because you can see it or feel it in them.
People can feel arrogance, they can sense ignorence, they can sense anger and it brings them done.
People also sense love, happiness, selflessness, and virtue, and that brings them up.
So by changing the way you think and the way you feel, you not only become enlightened in yourself, but you automatically enlighten those around you.
The key is in believing it is possible.
If you don't believe you can change, or you dont want to change, then you wont.
If you don't believe you are helping, you are not helping.
If you are open only to suffering, then you will be not but suffering.
Smiling decreases sufffering, or at least the appearence of suffering, and you need to start somewhere.
Writing beautiful music or poetry or creating a piece of art work which is beautiful has the power to bring people up, to enlighten, to spread joy, comfort, happiness, light which is love.
The love light is as real as the hate light. You see it in the eye of the beholder.
Look into the eyes of anyone around you and if you are open to them, which means no preconcieved notions based on any thing you've "learned", then you will feel their feelings, and think their thoughts, but only if you are open to them completely, without fear, without pride, without judgement, and without self.

If you do that and feel bad because the person next to you feels bad, and then you want to ease the suffering, what do you do?
How do you help yourself?
(because if you're feeling the other person, you're now a part of them.)
I could help, but how is the question, and why.
Why should the suffering end?

How do I know it is really there in the first place if I'm seeing it on the news and not up close? They could be lying to us, this could be an illusion...
Let's just say they're not lying and the action and reaction of suffering is going on all over the world right now.
How can we help them?

Is it a good idea to view the suffering as an illusion?
What if suffering is a veil that can be pulled over the eyes, but also a veil that can be lifted?
It sounds alot easier to be able to lift a veil then to cure all suffering...

So the veil exists and its the only thing which limits the veil wearer and makes them believe they re suffering.
The veil is the symbol now, and symbols are easy to to think clearly about and to use in problem solving.
So show the sufferer a mirror and say "Look, you are veiled, the suffering isnt real, you can take off the veil any time you like and live uninhibited by the illusion of suffering. You may be happy, prosperous, free, if only you'll lift the veil from your eyes." It is up to the sufferer to lift the veil.

Let's now decide they do "lift the veil", which is symbolic for "stop suffering".
What would be different? Not the outside world directly, the outside world will be the same as it always has been.
It is the view of the outside world which will be changed, it is the person viewing the world which will be changed.
Those things which caused suffering: sex, food, clothing, housing, drugs, wants and needs, all of those things which cause suffering will still exist, but if the veil is lifted, if the illusion of limitation is destroyed, if the means to the end is discovered, then those things won't mean what they used to, they wont be viewed the same way.
The food will not be viewed as something which needs to be found, but something that is already within reach. The sex won't be viewed as something which must be performed in order to feed the family, but as something rather enjoyable which two people share. Clothing won't be seen on other bodies, but on "my" body.

To change the world, you must change the whole world, inside and out.
And that is why it is important to make the right kinds of friends.
Don't make enemies out of the people with whom you share a common goel, because you can't do it alone unless you're really powerful, but even then, where is your power if not in the minds of others? What is there to hold power over than other people.
Power is unnecessary. Give up power and become powerful, think about that.


I find this inhumane and cowardly as you are leaving their conscious suffering now to some uncontrolable possibility in the future.

There is no future, there is no past, only now exists. They suffer now, I suffer now, you suffer now.
I practice now, you practice now, there is nothing but now and here, no matter where or when you think you are.
There are alot of unconscious people in the world. Attaining any form of concsciousness is incredibly important, but no one really knows because they're too concerned with suffering and either how much of it they don't want, how much of it they want to stop, or how much of it they're trying to avoid by finishing highschool, going to college, getting a job, making money, having children, being socially acceptable, or doing whatever else they can to avoid feeling the incredible pain of an unenjoyably existence.

Everyone has their concept of utopia, and most people will work hard for what they want. What you think is an enjoyable existence might not be the same dream as the suffering one next to you.
Be aware of your motives, don't allow yourself to become too much of one thing unless you're fully aware of what you are doing and what it means to those around you.
Things like that are important when it comes to helping people.

I suggest starting small. Meditate on the meaning of happiness and the balance between happiness and suffering.
Then attempt to be in love with everyone and everything you experience for one whole day. Spread no emotion or thought that isn't full of love.
You might experience how hard it is to be the saviour of the world, but it will be worth it.
Meditate on this: Hate is love and Love is hate.
Define "love" and "hate".
Do these things or whatever you think might exercise your capacity for learning and feeling.
When you can go an entire 24 hours without doing anything but loving everything and everyone you encounter, then you are ready to try to do it for 2 days.
After about a week you should see results, and they will startle you.
After two weeks, you will understand me better.
I am not perfect at showing love, but I always keep it within my sight.
Sometimes I look at an ugly person, some one outwardly unappealing inwardly disgusting, and I cringe because they are so pathetic. But all I hve to do when I catch myself being repelled or repulsed by one of those people is remember that they are a part of me, they represent something within me or else I wouldn't see them, they wouldnt exist.
I remember that I have something to learn from them, and that is love. If i can love a person so hideous on the inside or out, then I must be truely making progress in my little corner of the universe.
I see things that disagree with me as a challenge to over come which will eventually teach me a lesson.
Sometimes I have to remind myself of the infinite beauty and love which is the essense of all that is or will ever be, and even though i dont like what im seeing or hearing, what exists is that love energy, regardless of my opinion of it.

Be careful, though. If people sense your love for the energy which allows for their manifestation, they may get confused. They might think you want things to do with them that you might not want to do with them. You could find yourself in some sticky situations which might be akward or even dangerous, but remember your path, remember what you're doing, remember to learn from them and you'll be okay.

The key is to build up love and strenghth within yoursself so that you are strong enough to give that love and strenghth away to others around you.
It will happen automatically, all you hve to do is make the first step and it should snowball from there.
The more energy you give, the more you get back, whether the energy you give is love, hate, distrust, envy, or anything else.
Loving is the best way to be loved.

I'm not the first to say these things, either.

If you have it in you, you will attract it.

I know I'm saying things to you so that I will get a response.
It's a process which does not create and does not destroy but instead transforms.
And that is part of the universe through my eyes.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, but don't tell me I'm wrong unless you know what is right.


I also begin to see that you are taking a very skeptical approach to life, so as to say, if I don't know it, it could be true, or false for that matter. While this is valid in theory, I don't see any point in practicing it.

I don't think I'm skeptical, that's not a word I would use to describe myself.

I think I wait until I know beyond a reasonable doubt before deciding whether something is "real" or not. And I allow room to be proven wrong no matter how much information I've collected or no matter what opinion I would prefer viewing as reality.
If I don't know if something is true, who am I to say it is true?
If I don't understand beyond a reasonable doubt whether some bit of information is false, who am I to say it is false.
I speak about only what I know about, only what I have witnessed first hand, only what I can responsibly say I understand, even if that bit of information I have which I'm unsure of would win me an arguement.
That does not mean I don't make assumptions, however. I make assumptions all the time, and I say them out loud so that if there is any one listening to me that knows "the truth" they can either agree or disagree. But just because some one agrees, doesn't make a "fact" any more factual, and the reverse also appies.

Maybe if you practiced this, you would understand better the point in practicing this.
Since you don't see the point, then I will assume you do not practice this, and I will not blame you for not understanding me.

Thank you any way though, I love to be considered and talked to.
You've already taught me things, or at least forced me to reevaluate my stance on a few important events/actions/practices/concepts which I have neglected to consider so much as I used to.
In that I find the truest value.