Log in

View Full Version : video of US attack on Fallujah



freedum
12th August 2005, 15:01
A right wing American Asshole posted a video of the US Marines attacking Falujah:

http://sites.godaddy.com/3rd_Bn_1st_Marine...lujah_Seige.wmv (http://sites.godaddy.com/3rd_Bn_1st_Marines_Fallujah_Seige.wmv)


along with this blog entry (http://www.bobparsons.com/):

"Some say it would only take one generation.
I’ve often read that there is a very special group of Americans. Without these individuals, it has been said that our entire way of life would disappear within one generation.

Who are these special people? They are those individuals that when danger presents itself, in the form of gun fire, burning buildings, threats of violence, and other disgusting and complicated situations, who instead of running away and protecting themselves -- do just the opposite. These people run toward the problem, place themselves in harm’s way and handle the situation. They are most appropriately called warriors. They could be members of the military, law enforcement, emergency services, etc. The list of these callings goes on and on.

I think it would take less than a year.
I personally disagree with the opening statement. I don’t think that, without warriors, our way of life would disappear within one generation. It would be much sooner than that. In fact, our way of life would be gone within a few months, certainly within one year. You see, I know something about this. I know it from first-hand experience.

The Baltimore Police Strike.
In 1974, the police department in Baltimore City went on strike. At that time, I was attending night classes at the University of Baltimore. At about 10 p.m., my then wife, Martha, picked me up from school, which was in downtown Baltimore, and we began the drive home. When I got into the car, Martha told me that the police department just went on strike. We learned the consequences of the walk-out about 10 minutes later.

We thought we took the safe way home.
To be safe as possible, we took a major thoroughfare home. The name of this key artery in and out of the city is Pulaski Highway. We drove past all the huge office buildings downtown, and the section of town that is known as Little Italy. A few minutes after we passed Little Italy, Martha stopped for a traffic light, and then it happened. The front windshield in our car exploded!

The explosion was deafening!
The loud noise, pressure and flying splinters of glass caught us completely by surprise. At first we thought we had been shot. It took us about 3 or 4 seconds to realize what actually happened, and the gravity of the situation. Someone had thrown a brick at our car and it hit the front windshield. Next to the huge hole in the windshield, we could see the clay marks from the brick. A quick check revealed that I was fine, but that Martha had something, possibly glass, in one of her eyes.

We were on our own.
The area from which the brick was thrown was pitch black. There were obviously people there, but we couldn’t see them. And given that the police were on strike, there was no one to come to our rescue. Also since the police were on strike, and we were, by necessity, going through a very tough neighborhood, we were the only car. The situation was not good.

Martha drove us to safety.
After we gathered our senses, my wife had the presence of mind to push the accelerator to the floor and we were out of there. We went straight home and didn’t stop at a single traffic light on the way back. Once home, Martha was able to rinse whatever it was out of her eye, and other than being shaken, she was fine.

There was wide spread burning, looting and gunfire!
Once home, we learned that as soon as the police department went on strike, the violence began. It was like letting a hungry monster out of its cage. There was widespread burning, looting, gunfire, muggings, rapes, you name it. All it took for this to happen was for the city to be without its warriors. Hospitals suddenly became overwhelmed. Emergency vehicles became reluctant to go into the worse parts of the city (keep in mind that during normal times no ones likes to go into these parts of the city -- and with the police being on strike, it became unthinkable).

I was prepared to kill to defend my family.
Those citizens who owned firearms, and who lived by and in the most troubled areas, immediately broke them out of storage and prepared for any eventuality. I owned a rifle. I loaded it and spent the night in my living room – prepared to do whatever it took to protect my family and my home. I knew from my recent experience as a combat Marine in Viet Nam that if it was necessary I would have no trouble pulling the trigger on the rifle, and using deadly force to protect all that was dear to me. Fortunately, other than my experience in the car, the violence that night did not touch my house. It did get close.

Order was restored by The National Guard.
The Maryland National Guard was immediately brought in the next day and order was, for the most part, restored. The strike was settled soon after.

A major lesson learned.
The lesson I learned was that the reason our society is able to exist is because of the warriors that enforce our rules and protect us against violence from others. The Baltimore Police Strike illustrated just what can happen when we are without our warriors that protect us from internal threats – it says nothing about the threats to our way of life that come from outside of our borders. Similar to domestic issues, these threats are also many.

The Universal Human Phobia.
Those very special people who choose occupations to be warriors encounter and must learn to deal with stresses and consequences that are unique to what they do. The most common phobia, one that affects 98% of us, is the phobia against human versus human violence. Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman (one of the world’s authorities on warrior science) has named this phobia the “Universal Human Phobia.”

Putting a phobia into perspective.
To put the Universal Human Phobia into perspective, consider what is the second most common phobia – snakes. Approximately 15% of our population has a phobia against snakes. To understand this, imagine a crowded room. Someone drops a bucket of snakes in the middle of the crowd. Many people would be afraid and back away from the snakes. But those with a snake phobia would have a message shoot directly from their eyes to their feet, bypassing their brains, to tear away from the “squirming, wriggling snakes,” and without conscious thought bolt towards the doors – some literally leaving a trail of body mass in their wake.

Not everyone can be a warrior.
A phobia is much more difficult to deal with than a fear. For those of us who choose to be warriors, the Universal Human Phobia can be overcome by training, and learning to deal with frightening situations. The phobia against human violence also, I expect, does not impact all of us to the same degree – just like snakes. I believe that this is why some of us can choose to be warriors and actually pull it off, and others simply don’t have the genetic make-up for this line of work.

“On Combat.”
I recently read the above information and illustration in Colonel Grossman’s new book, which is titled, “On Combat – The Psychology and Physiology of Deadly Conflict in War and in Peace.” In my opinion, Colonel Grossman’s book is one of the finest works I’ve ever read – it reads like a novel. I found it almost impossible to put down.

Common things that affect all warriors.
For the first time, I was able to understand several things that I’ve had to deal with. For example, ever since Viet Nam and to this day, I have had a recurring nightmare. In my dream, I’m either in a firefight or about to go into combat, and either I cannot find ammunition, or, I have ammunition -- but when I shoot whoever I am up against, the bullets do nothing to them. They simply bounce off. According to Colonel Grossman, this type of dream is very common, and it is widely experienced by anyone who has been in combat, or is about to be in combat.

Colonel Grossman leaves no stone unturned.
In addition to the item I’ve mentioned here (i.e., recurring nightmares), Colonel Grossman talks about many other things that affect men and women in combat situations. He seems to leave no stone unturned.

I cannot recommend “On Combat” enough.
I strongly recommend Colonel Grossman’s book “On Combat” for anyone who is engaged, or is thinking about being engaged, in a warrior-oriented occupation. In fact, it’s a great read for anyone.

Here's how to purchase Colonel Grossman's book. I'm including the link here because for reasons unknown to me it's listed as being written by Gavin DeBecker. Mr. Becker wrote the Forward. The link provided is only for your convenience, and so you can see how it's presented. I make absolutely no commission or get any fee for your purchase.

Here's the link: www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0964920514/

We could not exist without them.
I want to extend my heartfelt thanks and sincere appreciation to all the wonderful and courageous men and women of our society who upon hearing gunfire and being terrified, instead of running away, run toward it and take care of business. Whether they are in the military, law enforcement, firefighting, or emergency services, there is one thing I definitely know for certain – our society and way of life could not exist without them.

A video tribute by The “Thundering Third.”
Here is a link to a video taken by Marine correspondents of the action by India Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines – the “Raiders” of the Thundering Third --during the battle for Fallujah, Iraq. The video contains some graphic language and actual combat operations. If you are un-nerved by this sort of thing, I recommend against watching the video. I apologize in advance that the link is in WMV format only. Finally, a few more caveats. The video is accompanied by a rather effective musical sound track. During combat, there is no music. Actual combat is much more brutal and debilitating than the video would have the viewer believe.

http://sites.godaddy.com/3rd_Bn_1st_Marine...lujah_Seige.wmv (http://sites.godaddy.com/3rd_Bn_1st_Marines_Fallujah_Seige.wmv)"

existential1
12th August 2005, 15:27
So this is the media glorifying violence. Conservatives are always *****ing about what their kids are seeing on TV, but i&#39;d bet they would have no problem with their kids watching images of soldiers shoot and blow up shit to the lyrics, "Nothin is gonna get in my way." Come on everyone, propaganda can be fun. Now let&#39;s all pick up guns and all act dumb, kill everyone brown under the sun. Hoooray America&#33; <_<

freedum
12th August 2005, 15:44
yeah. it&#39;s an absolute disgrace.

his fear-mentality was fueled by riots in Baltimore, where he lives. check out this part of his blog entry:

"Once home, we learned that as soon as the police department went on strike, the violence began. It was like letting a hungry monster out of its cage. There was widespread burning, looting, gunfire, muggings, rapes, you name it. All it took for this to happen was for the city to be without its warriors. "

i haven&#39;t had time to see if this riot was mentioned in the papers.

Decolonize The Left
12th August 2005, 21:20
Wow, what a load of shit. Well time to begin analysis:

To be safe as possible, we took a major thoroughfare home.
and then:

Also since the police were on strike, and we were, by necessity, going through a very tough neighborhood, we were the only car.
Um, didn&#39;t he just contradict himself here, I thought he went this way because it was the safest, not because it was a very tough neighborhood...


Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman (one of the world’s authorities on warrior science) has named this phobia the “Universal Human Phobia.”

This just pisses me off. First, what the fuck is "warrior science"? Secondly, I think he is referring to human nature, and the refusal to kill other humans which is inherent in "98% of us". Thirdly, what the fuck is phobia that is found in 98% of the people? That&#39;s not a phobia, that&#39;s a fact. And I&#39;ll argue that it&#39;s in 100% of the people, and that those 2% have been de-humanized, brainwashed, and taught to think nothing of others, or as fuckface calls it: "training".


During combat, there is no music. Actual combat is much more brutal and debilitating than the video would have the viewer believe.

Well then why not make a tribute where you show what the fuck was actually happenening? Show the children running and getting cut down. Show the old lady with one leg screaming. Show the hundreds of bodies with blood. If you want people to understand what is happening, you have to show them the truth. But apparently, fuckface doesn&#39;t want them to see the truth, cause that would react with the Universal Human Phobia.

-- August

Ownthink
12th August 2005, 22:19
QUOTE
"Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman (one of the world’s authorities on warrior science) has named this phobia the “Universal Human Phobia.”


This just pisses me off. First, what the fuck is "warrior science"? Secondly, I think he is referring to human nature, and the refusal to kill other humans which is inherent in "98% of us". Thirdly, what the fuck is phobia that is found in 98% of the people? That&#39;s not a phobia, that&#39;s a fact. And I&#39;ll argue that it&#39;s in 100% of the people, and that those 2% have been de-humanized, brainwashed, and taught to think nothing of others, or as fuckface calls it: "training".

QUOTE
"During combat, there is no music. Actual combat is much more brutal and debilitating than the video would have the viewer believe."


Well then why not make a tribute where you show what the fuck was actually happenening? Show the children running and getting cut down. Show the old lady with one leg screaming. Show the hundreds of bodies with blood. If you want people to understand what is happening, you have to show them the truth. But apparently, fuckface doesn&#39;t want them to see the truth, cause that would react with the Universal Human Phobia.

Holy shit, that was awesome. OWNED&#33; :lol:

Che NJ
12th August 2005, 22:21
During combat, there is no music. Actual combat is much more brutal and debilitating than the video would have the viewer believe.
I&#39;m sure the real combat is more brutal but there is music. If you saw farenheit 9/11 you would see that some soldiers actually blast an ozz-fest CD over the radio in the soldiers&#39; helmets.
A video like this is aimed at an audience which measures a country&#39;s greatness in how badly it can kick another country&#39;s ass instead of how it treat&#39;s its people. I often hear this answer when I ask people "What&#39;s so great about our country?"

Decolonize The Left
12th August 2005, 22:26
Are you serious Che NJ? Do people actually say that? If so, then they are very sad indeed. But this serves as an example of what type of people fill the heart of America. And these are the people we will have to change. It will be difficult indeed, but the truth will set them free.

And yes, the soldiers do play music. I think it serves to distract them from the pain of killing innocent people.

-- August

Ownthink
12th August 2005, 22:26
Originally posted by Che [email protected] 12 2005, 05:21 PM

During combat, there is no music. Actual combat is much more brutal and debilitating than the video would have the viewer believe.
I&#39;m sure the real combat is more brutal but there is music. If you saw farenheit 9/11 you would see that some soldiers actually blast an ozz-fest CD over the radio in the soldiers&#39; helmets.
A video like this is aimed at an audience which measures a country&#39;s greatness in how badly it can kick another country&#39;s ass instead of how it treat&#39;s its people. I often hear this answer when I ask people "What&#39;s so great about our country?"
You know...

I saw Farenheit 9/11 last night and my dad yelled at me through the entire thing. "liberal lies&#33;"

BUT... I have just been pondering/thinking this exact same thing. I am NOT proud of my country. Those aren&#39;t warriors, they&#39;re unruly kids from West Virgina who were given guns and were told to kill people who were different than them, who DIDN&#39;T EVEN ATTACK OR PROVOKE AMERICA AT ALL (these kids also have an attitude of "woohoo&#33; let&#39;s shoot "them thurr ay-rabz and moozlims"&#33; kickass&#33;")

The BEST part of Farenheit 9/11 was when it showed Baghdad the day before the invasion. Peace, children flying kites (contrary to what Bushie will have you believe, ie: he said before that kids aren&#39;t allowed to fly kites in Iraq, as part of law. Yeah., there&#39;s "kite police". Fucking moron) and playing, people eating in cafes and driving taxis, with a somewhat happy life. I cried when I saw that. And I NEVER cry. I fucking cried my eyes out. Why? These people didn&#39;t do anything to deserve this. The old lady with her uncles home totally demolished and her family in ruins cries "Why? we did nothing to deserve this&#33;" and an Iraqi man says "You will die for this. Those who do not fear death cannot die. YOU shall die for this"

And the Iraqi people know what the fucks going on. They say "We&#39;re NOT Al-Qaida&#33; WE aren&#39;t the ones who attacked you&#33;"

Even Bush&#39;s advisors said "He didn&#39;t ask any questions about Osama and Al-Qaida, even though he had been warned months before with a memo with a title of "Osama Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." All he did was say "find out what Saddam&#39;s ties are to this, find out about Iraq&#39;s involvement and get back to me. I mean, this is the man that tried to kill my daddy at one time"

He CLEARLY had a grudge against Iraq. Fucking pig.

You really wanna know what about that part made me even sadder and more angry? I told my dad (who supports the war and all things Bush/America) "See&#33; They were perfectly happy before we invaded&#33;" and he said "oh, that was just a few people. all the others were dying under Saddam. we couldn&#39;t of just let the country go to hell, we had to save it&#39;s people&#33;"

He ACTUALLY BELIEVES that these people are a lower form of life and that the big and all ever moral US government must come in and save these people from themselves, like they can&#39;t run their own country. That&#39;s his excuse when the validity of this war comes up. "We had to save them from their evil country and it&#39;s leaders&#33;". (He is also a staunch Catholic and loves showing off his power, as well as he hates to lose. No fucking wonder.)

Fuck the U.S. AND it&#39;s Military/Troops.

Che NJ
12th August 2005, 22:36
My dad saw it too and he was kind of laughing through the whole thing. He didn&#39;t take it seriously at all. He didn&#39;t even try to argue with me about the issues (maybe because he can&#39;t).

Those aren&#39;t warriors, they&#39;re unruly kids from West Virgina with guns who hate "them thurr ay-rabz and moozlims".
If you have ever been to a place like west virginia, which I have :( . You would get an idea of how many people we are up against. or how many we have to win over, however you want to look at it.

Ownthink
12th August 2005, 22:51
Originally posted by Che [email protected] 12 2005, 05:36 PM
My dad saw it too and he was kind of laughing through the whole thing. He didn&#39;t take it seriously at all. He didn&#39;t even try to argue with me about the issues (maybe because he can&#39;t).

Those aren&#39;t warriors, they&#39;re unruly kids from West Virgina with guns who hate "them thurr ay-rabz and moozlims".
If you have ever been to a place like west virginia, which I have :( . You would get an idea of how many people we are up against. or how many we have to win over, however you want to look at it.
Win over? That would be like Nazis "winning over" Jewish people.

No, not win over. More like roll over.

Decolonize The Left
12th August 2005, 22:53
Ownthink, your comments on the day before the invasion are very right. I agree fully, and felt the same way. But what about the parts where Moore went and showed who many of the soldiers were, oppressed people from oppressed parts of the nation. Clearly these people are not the same folks as the white rednecks who go fight because they think its right. This is the only issue I have with people who support the killing of our troops. Please, either you or Che, address this. I want to know what you think.

-- August

Free Palestine
12th August 2005, 22:56
You remember the scene in Apocalypse Now in which Robert Duvall leads the grunts to their riverboats, wildly shooting everything in sight from the helicopter, while playing Wagner’s “Ride of the Valkyries?” What many don’t know is this is taken from a true story. Tom Wolfe, who is now a bad novelist but was once a great journalist, accompanied bombardiers on their helicopter runs, and found them exhilarated, playing Wagner and other opera while they ceaselessly destroyed Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

Ownthink
12th August 2005, 23:16
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 05:53 PM
Ownthink, your comments on the day before the invasion are very right. I agree fully, and felt the same way. But what about the parts where Moore went and showed who many of the soldiers were, oppressed people from oppressed parts of the nation. Clearly these people are not the same folks as the white rednecks who go fight because they think its right. This is the only issue I have with people who support the killing of our troops. Please, either you or Che, address this. I want to know what you think.

-- August
90% of the troops are how I described. Racist, unintelligent, willing to follow horrid orders. Couldn&#39;t make it in life, so they joined the Military.

I live in MI. I have been to Flint. yes, there are SOME really good, but poor people in the Military. As soon as you kill innocent Iraqi&#39;s though, you&#39;re not good at all anymore.

I&#39;d rather work McFuckingCapitalist than go to Iraq to kill innocent people who did absolutely NOTHING to provoke me or my country.


This is how I feel, and this is how I will ALWAYS feel about "Iraqs" or "Vietnams".

Decolonize The Left
12th August 2005, 23:31
I see your point. And they way you put it: "As soon as you kill innocent Iraqi&#39;s though, you&#39;re not good at all anymore." has made me think more about what I believe. I&#39;ll get back to you.

-- August

Decolonize The Left
12th August 2005, 23:35
OK, I want to expand on what you said. I think you meant that sure, they might have been good people who were poor and without options, but they always had a choice. Like you put it, "work McFuckingCapitalist" or go join the army. I am ton here between my belief in free will, which would justify your words, and my belief that circumstances play a very large role in what people do. But in the end, I think that there is always the choice. While going to battle a soldier could refuse to fight... I mean they could, highly unlikely because it takes a lot of courage to do that, and I don&#39;t think many people have that courage, but I guess it could be done.

So I agree. Once you go to battle, and kill innocent people, you are the same as the people that sent you there.

-- August

Dark Exodus
13th August 2005, 01:43
Pretty sick video, but its just propganda of the same sort used in the video in the Insurgent videos, seeing a display of power stirrs people to join (or sicken them if they know the truth).

Ownthink
13th August 2005, 02:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2005, 06:35 PM
OK, I want to expand on what you said. I think you meant that sure, they might have been good people who were poor and without options, but they always had a choice. Like you put it, "work McFuckingCapitalist" or go join the army. I am ton here between my belief in free will, which would justify your words, and my belief that circumstances play a very large role in what people do. But in the end, I think that there is always the choice. While going to battle a soldier could refuse to fight... I mean they could, highly unlikely because it takes a lot of courage to do that, and I don&#39;t think many people have that courage, but I guess it could be done.

So I agree. Once you go to battle, and kill innocent people, you are the same as the people that sent you there.

-- August
This is good, Comrade. You DO have a choice whether or not to pull the trigger, no one FORCES you to kill.

Since when is "they told me to" a good reason for ANYTHING&#33;?

I, for one, would rather spend my life as a janitor or Pizza Delivery guy rather than have the death of innocents on my conscience. I just couldn&#39;t do it.


:)

Ownthink
13th August 2005, 02:29
Originally posted by Dark [email protected] 12 2005, 08:43 PM
Pretty sick video, but its just propganda of the same sort used in the video in the Insurgent videos, seeing a display of power stirrs people to join (or sicken them if they know the truth).
Difference:

US: Provoked and Attacked/Invaded

Insurgency: Didn&#39;t provoke, just defended country.


I think my argument is pretty solid.

resisting arrest with violence
13th August 2005, 14:03
It is no longer the state exploiting and conquering the Third World, it is now the nation as a whole including the labor aristocracy.

Dark Exodus
13th August 2005, 20:51
Originally posted by Ownthink+Aug 13 2005, 01:47 AM--> (Ownthink @ Aug 13 2005, 01:47 AM)
Dark [email protected] 12 2005, 08:43 PM
Pretty sick video, but its just propganda of the same sort used in the video in the Insurgent videos, seeing a display of power stirrs people to join (or sicken them if they know the truth).
Difference:

US: Provoked and Attacked/Invaded

Insurgency: Didn&#39;t provoke, just defended country.


I think my argument is pretty solid. [/b]
Many of the insurgents are baathists/islamists. Also quite a few may be foriegners looking to strike at the US. It is clear that many do not have Iraqs best interests at heart (not that America does either).

bolshevik butcher
13th August 2005, 21:25
Of clourse its propoganda to an extent. But we never get shown a negative view of the U&#036; forces on tv. We never see the &#39;good guys&#39; attacking civillians, and starting the conflict.

freedum
14th August 2005, 08:16
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to check out this thread&#33;

I was angered but not surprised by the glamor video and the post. I&#39;m going to send the video link and the post content to the guys at Iraq Veterans Against The War: http://www.ivaw.net

After I posted this thread, someone wrote me a pm saying:

Comrade,

In your post concerning the Attack on Fallujah, you said "Some Right-winger American Asshole" are you referring to Americans as Assholes?
I am an American. I am a Leftist. I like to think that i am not an AssHole&#33; You can insult Right-Wingers, You can insult Capitalists, You can even insult BUSH. But an insult which attacks all people who were born in America is not well deserved.
Please clear this up with me.

Viva La Revolucion&#33;
DownWithCapitalism&#33;

In case there are any other americans out there with bruised nationalist egos , i wrote back the following:

when the american pop rock band Green Day names their album American Idiot, in honor of the current idiot in the white house, they&#39;re referring to an American Idiot, they&#39;re not saying Americans Are Idiots.

If my response isn&#39;t sufficient, I also recommend lots of introspection about America&#39;s role in today&#39;s world and perhaps, the following page flipper: "America Right Or Wrong: An Anatomy Of American Nationalism" by Anatol Lieven (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195168402/ref=wl_it_dp/102-3752715-3436136)

If I sound like an abnoxious idiot, you&#39;re right. On this issue, I reserve that right, all things considered.

Decolonize The Left
14th August 2005, 08:19
I&#39;m also an American, and while I don&#39;t think people are referring specifically to me when they call Americans assholes, it is slighty ignorant. Not all Americans are assholes, many, in fact a large portion of the nation are good people, many of whom think like you do. So while I won&#39;t chastize you for name-calling, I think you should consider what you are saying, and the lack of truth in it, as well as the ignorance of making such a claim.

-- August

freedum
14th August 2005, 08:21
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 07:37 AM
I think you should consider what you are saying, and the lack of truth in it, as well as the ignorance of making such a claim.

-- August
August,

as i posted above, i think what i wrote the guy shows clearly that i don&#39;t think all americans are assholes:

"when the american pop rock band Green Day names their album American Idiot, in honor of the current idiot in the white house, they&#39;re referring to an American Idiot, they&#39;re not saying Americans Are Idiots."

Decolonize The Left
14th August 2005, 08:24
Yes I know. I was just making my own statement. I believe you don&#39;t think all Americans are assholes, I just wanted to give my perspective on it.
My apologies if it was rude, it wasn&#39;t meant to be in any way.

-- August

freedum
14th August 2005, 08:28
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2005, 07:42 AM
Yes I know. I was just making my own statement. I believe you don&#39;t think all Americans are assholes, I just wanted to give my perspective on it.
My apologies if it was rude, it wasn&#39;t meant to be in any way.

-- August
no worries. no ofense taken. i totally misunderstood, so it&#39;s "ma bad." ;)

Decolonize The Left
14th August 2005, 08:36
No worries, we&#39;re all friends here.

But I certainly understand where you&#39;re coming from. Many Americans are fat, obnoxious, well, beasts. They just consume and consume, and don&#39;t give a shit about anyone but themselves. But isn&#39;t that a product of American capitalism? It&#39;s not American culture. This is a very recent phenomenon. It hasn&#39;t been this was for decades. It&#39;s only since we became soooo materialistic that this has happened. I believe capitalism is directly responsable for the assholes of America.

-- August