Third Positionism

[Palmares]

I've heard this term used for quite a while now, mainly in reference to the days I posted at socialistfront.org

From that I would suppose it has some relation to authoritarian socialism and ######

Could anyone give me a more tangible understanding of the term?

[EDIT: the "######" refers the site created out from socialistfront.org]

I've attempted to read up a bit on this and have found links to "national bolshevism" and "national anarchism"...

Clearly there is some strange racial seperation element then?

[monkeydust]

I don't know about "Third Positionism", but I know about Third Way Socialism.

If you think they're the same thing then I can elaborate about what it is, but I won't yet since I'll probably end up making a fool of myself having possibly mixed-up a Centrist Socialist ideology with a Bolshevik one.

[Martin Blank]

"Third Positionism" is postmodernist fascism.

Miles

[Hiero]

The basic idea is that Western Imperialism is the greatest threat to the freedom and growth of the 3rd world people. So all movements to expell the US from the 3rd world should be supported, and any movements that keep them out should be supported ie nationalism, religious ideologies etc.

[Led Zeppelin]

Third Positionism is fascism in disguise.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 11:16 PM
The basic idea is that Western Imperialism is the greatest threat to the freedom and growth of the 3rd world people. So all movements to expell the US from the 3rd world should be supported, and any movements that keep them out should be supported ie nationalism, religious ideologies etc.
From that, how do they get the authoritarian, even fascist reputation they have?

[Led Zeppelin]

Because they support fascistic dictators.

[RASH chris]

There is far more to it than that. Most third positionists are racialists. And the National Bolshevik movement seeks to create an Imperial Russia based on the Leninist (and highly influenced by Stalin) model.

I am not, however, familiar with "national anarchism" though it sounds like it could be the textbook definition of an oxymoron.

[Clarksist]

So all movements to expell the US from the 3rd world should be supported, and any movements that keep them out should be supported ie nationalism, religious ideologies etc.


So would no movements with a specific cause to end US imperialism (communism, socialism, anarchism) be Third Positionism, just the ones that want to do ANYTHING to keep the US out?

In other words: if you are specific about the model to destroy the US is that not Third Positionism.

[Guest1]

No, it ismore than just wanting to kick the us out of anywhere.

It has much less to do with the us and much moreto do with defining "internationalism" and "globalism" as the enemy. They see US Imperialism as a symptom of that, and generally consider that if we "stuck to our own people" all the world's problems would disappear. Despite that exterior of "equal nationalism" ("all peoples should develop a disinct national and cultural independance"), they are deeply imperialist and neo-fascist.

They also consider the dichotomy between socialism and capitalism to be a false one, saying the real issue is nationalism vs. internationalism and the "degeneration" that comes with "unnatural" globalism. They see what unites people not as class but as nationality, culture, race. And yet they claim not to be racist.

Hence, they are the Neo-Nazi movement repackaged, and with the ability to adapt do different national groupings.

Hence you have nationalbolsheviks and others in other countries with their own takes on the nazi flag.