Newbie Interested in Marxism, Not Tyranny

[Antiks]

Hello.

I'm 33 years old, and I live in California.

I'm not a communist, but I'm intereseted in learning. I have been reading several websites, including Redstar's excellent site. I've also perused Marxists.org as well.

I find this site to be an great resource also. I don't plan on posting a whole lot, as I'm mainly interested in learning. I also need to learn to weed out all the kiddie crap.

I have an open mind, as I refuse to believe in everything that I've been conditioned to believe since I was a child (capitalism good, communism bad). With that said, I don't swallow ideologies wholesale. Been there, done that, and paid dividends for it.

Anyway, thanks. :)

[black]

welcome!...and as what can only be described as an Anti-Marxist I likewise welcome your reading into Marxism and left ideologies. I'd encourage you not to cling to closely to any dogma and to seek the full truth.

[novemba]

aviod the stalinists, i would suggest to aviod the maoists and the leninists too but id get major shit for that...








...coughcoughaviodthemtoocoughcough

Left of the Left is the place to be!

[More Fire for the People]

Welcome.
I suggest you read the following if you want to get a general idea about Marxism, socialism, and communism:

Marxism
The Communist Manifesto - By Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm)
Wage Labour and Capital - By Karl Marx (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm)

Anarcho-Communism
What is Property? - By Pierre Proudhon (http://marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/property/index.htm)
Marxism, Freedom and the State - By Mikhail Bakunin (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/mf-state/index.htm)

Anarcho-Syndicalism
Reproduction of Daily Life - By Rudolf Rocker (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/rocker-rudolf/misc/anarchism-anarcho-syndicalism.htm)

Trotskyism
The Permanent Revolution - By Leon Trotsky (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1931-tpv/index.htm)
If America Should Go Communist - By Leon Trotsky (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1935/1935-ame.htm)

Maoism
Quotations from Mao Tse Tung - By Mao Tse Tung (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/index.htm)

[MoscowFarewell]

Welcome aboard, another one from California. Hope you have an alright time here.

[Le People]

Well, if you do become a Marxist ( preferabley Trotskyist) let me prepare you for the verbal onslaught you'll get from red necks............" You pinko gay rights **** sniff'n pansy who bones men! I think you should die cause you a liberal! I don't give a fuck about your fucking Karl Fucking Marx fucker, I think if you don't fucking think that the fucking US of A is good enghoug, then leve it you fucking Nazi!" :lol: I hope that doesn't affend anybody, it's just a snippet of what happened when I wore a Hammer and Sickle in the farm store.

[Antiks]

Originally posted by Le [email protected] 10 2005, 02:17 AM
Well, if you do become a Marxist ( preferabley Trotskyist) let me prepare you for the verbal onslaught you'll get from red necks............" You pinko gay rights **** sniff'n pansy who bones men! I think you should die cause you a liberal! I don't give a fuck about your fucking Karl Fucking Marx fucker, I think if you don't fucking think that the fucking US of A is good enghoug, then leve it you fucking Nazi!" :lol: I hope that doesn't affend anybody, it's just a snippet of what happened when I wore a Hammer and Sickle in the farm store.
I can only imagine. Basically if one becomes a Marxist, then one becomes a "traitor" to this country, the USA.

[Antiks]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2005, 12:11 AM
Welcome.
I suggest you read the following if you want to get a general idea about Marxism, socialism, and communism:

Marxism
The Communist Manifesto - By Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/index.htm)
Wage Labour and Capital - By Karl Marx (http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/index.htm)

Anarcho-Communism
What is Property? - By Pierre Proudhon (http://marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/proudhon/property/index.htm)
Marxism, Freedom and the State - By Mikhail Bakunin (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/mf-state/index.htm)

Anarcho-Syndicalism
Reproduction of Daily Life - By Rudolf Rocker (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/rocker-rudolf/misc/anarchism-anarcho-syndicalism.htm)

Trotskyism
The Permanent Revolution - By Leon Trotsky (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1931-tpv/index.htm)
If America Should Go Communist - By Leon Trotsky (http://marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1935/1935-ame.htm)

Maoism
Quotations from Mao Tse Tung - By Mao Tse Tung (http://marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/index.htm)
Thanks..

I will bookmark all of these.

[dietrite]

One note of advice: most people on this message board are complete fucking idiots.

[bolshevik butcher]

I wouldnt bother reading mso's little red book. Yeh avoid the authoratarians.

[Hiero]

Read Mao's little red book, it's very interesting even for non Maoist.

[bolshevik butcher]

Its a bit of an irony reading it really. Mao goes on about how there needs to be criticizms of the party and freedom of speach and stuff while hes in reality doing all tha he can to stop any discent from the party line.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2005, 05:40 PM
Hello.

I'm 33 years old, and I live in California.

I'm not a communist, but I'm intereseted in learning. I have been reading several websites, including Redstar's excellent site. I've also perused Marxists.org as well.

I find this site to be an great resource also. I don't plan on posting a whole lot, as I'm mainly interested in learning. I also need to learn to weed out all the kiddie crap.

I have an open mind, as I refuse to believe in everything that I've been conditioned to believe since I was a child (capitalism good, communism bad). With that said, I don't swallow ideologies wholesale. Been there, done that, and paid dividends for it.

Anyway, thanks. :)
Hi! Check out this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism) wikipedia entry on left communism. Read it through and if you find it interesting you can check out some of the texts I have linked to in this (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=38323&st=0&#entry1291910774) thread.

And finally I would very much recomend you to check out this site:
http://www.prole.info/introduction/intro_0.html
Here you have an easy and pedagogic introduction to a kind of anti-political insurectionist communism; anarchist communists as well as non-leninist marxists will probably like it. The http://www.prole.info/ site is great in general.

Happy reading! :)

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Clenched [email protected] 11 2005, 11:58 PM
Its a bit of an irony reading it really. Mao goes on about how there needs to be criticizms of the party and freedom of speach and stuff while hes in reality doing all tha he can to stop any discent from the party line.
"bombard the headquarters"-Mao

He encouraged and practiced party criticism, that was the point of the cultural revolution to get the people involved in the direction of the party.

[bolshevik butcher]

Yeh, and lets all pretend how thats what it achieved. It just further centralized power into mao's hands.