Charity

[Livetrueordie]

What's a good charity to donate too?
thnx

[redstar2000]

None!

Never give money to charities -- they are rackets.

Instead, give money to political groups who share your own views...whatever they might be. Or support internet message boards that you can identify with.

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[novemba]

Redstars a SPAMMER!...haha just kidding

Do ANY organizations actually put the money you give them to good work? Any of these feed the children things?

[Seeker]

Your local soup kitchen maybe?

Are there any homeless shelters in the area?

Buy some shoes, clothing, and school supplies and send them to an orphanage?

[YKTMX]

Use your money to arm the homeless.

[which doctor]

I wouldn't give money directly to homeless, because sometimes(not always) they will use it to buy alcohol or drugs. Instead pack a bunch bag lunches and pass them out to the homeless.

[Clarksist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 05:23 PM
None!

Never give money to charities -- they are rackets.

Instead, give money to political groups who share your own views...whatever they might be. Or support internet message boards that you can identify with.

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Finally, someone who shares my views on charities.

All those are for is the rich fucks get a bit richer, but they get to feel good about it. :lol:

They brag about something like eighty cents out of every dollar going to the needy. If you donate one thousand dollars, thats $200 in the pocket of rich fucks.

Now say this charity rakes in $20,000,000 yearly. Well most of the ad space is donated, as is most the equipment... so thats $4,000,000 for the fuckers! Think about that.

People are duped into volunteering for the charities as well. So its basically free money for the CEOs of companies who are actually CREATING the problems.

Philanthropy is a dangerous thing to use without proper knowledge of where you are using it.

[Livetrueordie]

so noone can claim a worthy charity? I was thinking about sending some stuff to Cuba or contributing to groups supporting cuba, any ideas???

[Clarksist]

so noone can claim a worthy charity? I was thinking about sending some stuff to Cuba or contributing to groups supporting cuba, any ideas???


Do NOT donate to Cuba. They are a capitalist nation with the disguise of socialism. They have BETRAYED the revolution.

Give your money to an action group fighting for real freedom. Not a dictator.

[Donnie]

As Redstar said don't give you're money to charities. Give you're money to political groups like ABC who do prisoner solidarity for class struggle comrades. Donate money to Anti-fascist groups to help them.

Instead of giving you're money to a charity why not get a class struggle group set up in you're own community? Help arm you're working class community with the ideas of emancipation! I've set an Anarchist class struggle group in my local community. It's worth it! Do it!

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 09:38 PM
so no one can claim a worthy charity? I was thinking about sending some stuff to Cuba or contributing to groups supporting Cuba, any ideas???
Whether one supports the present Cuban government or not, that says nothing about the people who say they are "raising money to help Cuba".

If you have a Cuban Embassy or Consulate near you, I suppose you could call them and ask them who they would like you to send money to.

But I still maintain that the best use of surplus funds is to support political groups/message boards that you agree with.

Or, as Donnie suggested, use the money (if you have enough) to start a group in your own locale.

There's just no good reason to hand money over to people who've made a career out of raising money. They are hustlers...pure and simple. :angry:

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[Livetrueordie]

Do NOT donate to Cuba. They are a capitalist nation with the disguise of socialism. They have BETRAYED the revolution.

Give your money to an action group fighting for real freedom. Not a dictator
i disagree


Instead of giving you're money to a charity why not get a class struggle group set up in you're own community? Help arm you're working class community with the ideas of emancipation! I've set an Anarchist class struggle group in my local community. It's worth it! Do it!
i don't feel im advanced enough to start a group in my town as well as handle the responsibilities. Maybe ill hold the money until that time.


the best use of surplus funds is to support political groups/message boards that you agree with.Im unclear of what political groups suite me, i guess ill have to do some investigating.

i dont often get this oppurtunity and i'd like to make the right educated decision.

[novemba]

I'm sure the Zapatistas could use it in some way.

[Palmares]

I am against the very concept of charity. It is essentially a cop out to the system, putting a bandaid on a much more intrinsic problme of the capitalist system.

However, I would see it as helpful if one was to help out the EZLN in the Chiapas, or if a charity per se was what you intended, maybe "Doctors without borders" (i don't know their French name).

But basically, you are better off putting your resources into the very movement that is attempting to change this oppressive system.

[Donnie]

Yes, the Zapatistas would be a good one to give some money too. You could also get in contact with you local ABC group (Anarchist Black Cross) and give you're money to prisoners who have been sent to prison for anti-fascist action etc. For example Tomek Wilkoszewski, a polish anti-fascist was sentenced to 15 years in prison for killing a fascist in Radomsko in self defence in 1997. See his web site www.wilkoszewski.pl for more information.

[Clarksist]

i disagree


Why? What has Fidel Co. done that's so fucken needed anymore?

All he is doing now is repressing and revisioning. Why give money to a country slipping to capitalism?

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 12:47 AM

i disagree


Why? What has Fidel Co. done that's so fucken needed anymore?

All he is doing now is repressing and revisioning. Why give money to a country slipping to capitalism?
coz if they had more food, they wouldnt have to slip to capitalism

[Livetrueordie]

They are not slipping to capitalism, there are some small business' and Tourism. This is because the Us is choking them. You might not consider castro a communist but the last thing he would ever be is a capitalist.

[Clarksist]

They are not slipping to capitalism, there are some small business' and Tourism. This is because the Us is choking them. You might not consider castro a communist but the last thing he would ever be is a capitalist.


Ok, so why should I support someone giving their ill-gotten money on a country which has ruined the name of communism to hundreds of millions of Americans.


coz if they had more food, they wouldnt have to slip to capitalism


Do you seriously believe that they would spend all of your money you sent on food? Castro may look like a kind old man, but political repression is not very "kind". :lol:

[Ownthink]

Castro doesn't need it. Supposedly, he's worth $195 Million, according to:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/27/...l?oneclick=true (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/27/1077676941534.html?oneclick=true)

[pedro san pedro]

Finally, someone who shares my views on charities.

All those are for is the rich fucks get a bit richer, but they get to feel good about it.

They brag about something like eighty cents out of every dollar going to the needy. If you donate one thousand dollars, thats $200 in the pocket of rich fucks.

Now say this charity rakes in $20,000,000 yearly. Well most of the ad space is donated, as is most the equipment... so thats $4,000,000 for the fuckers! Think about that.

People are duped into volunteering for the charities as well. So its basically free money for the CEOs of companies who are actually CREATING the problems.

Philanthropy is a dangerous thing to use without proper knowledge of where you are using it.

What an utter load of bollocks! why the hell do you think that its called the non-profit sector? because theres no goddam money in it, thats why!

If going to work for a charity is your get rich quick scheme, then i'm afraid that you'ld better go back to the old drawing board - non-profits pay substainaitly lower than profit making corporations + there is often a culture of working more hours than you contract states.

as for 80 cents in the dollar going to the needy - the 20 percent goes on admin costs, not into peoples pockets. i'm not sure if your've noticed, but noones giving office space away for free these days.




QUOTE (redstar2000 @ Aug 8 2005, 05:23 PM)
None!

Never give money to charities -- they are rackets.

Instead, give money to political groups who share your own views...whatever they might be. Or support internet message boards that you can identify with.


Sure&#33; give money so that you can chat on the net, rather than to a charity helping people in the real world&#33; brillant&#33;&#33; that way, the message board will still be running, so we can meet up and talk about what good people we all are <_<

[D_Bokk]

I personally would give money to the Open Source community, such as Linux distributions or other people who offer free/open source software to anyone. In my opinion, the open source community is the most communist thing the world has going for it at this point in time.

Another would be scientific research. The more humans learn, the better they&#39;re off. Anything we develop during Capitalism will be usable during Socialism/Communism. The more we know before the inevitable transition, the better. Don&#39;t invest in the creation of better weapons though.

Finally, you could invest in places that help the environment. We don&#39;t want to inherit a dirty world, now do we?

[redstar2000]

Sounds like a sore toe has been stepped on. :o


Originally posted by pedro san pedro
Why the hell do you think that it&#39;s called the non-profit sector?

That&#39;s a legal designation according to the tax-code. It isn&#39;t meant literally...and there is plenty of money in it -- from suckers like yourself.


If going to work for a charity is your get rich quick scheme, then I&#39;m afraid that you&#39;d better go back to the old drawing board - non-profits pay substantially lower than profit making corporations + there is often a culture of working more hours than your contract states.

The people on the bottom don&#39;t make that much; check out the salaries, benefits, and perks for the people at the top.


As for 80 cents in the dollar going to the needy - the 20 percent goes on admin. costs, not into people&#39;s pockets.

In the charity racket, "admin. costs" usually translates into another campaign asking people for more money.


Sure&#33; Give money so that you can chat on the net, rather than to a charity helping people in the real world&#33;

If you think charities really help any significant number of people "in the real world", then you are simply wacko.

If you want to help people "in the real world", give money to beggars on the streets. At least then, there&#39;s no con-man "taking his percentage".

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[Karl Marx's Camel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 10:16 PM
Castro doesn&#39;t need it. Supposedly, he&#39;s worth &#036;195 Million, according to:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/27/...l?oneclick=true (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/27/1077676941534.html?oneclick=true)


It&#39;s capitalist propaganda, and Cuba have threathened to lawsuit Forbes or whoever spread the lies. The souce claim that because Cuba is a an "evil dictator who controls the state and the country with an ironfist", Castro himself own all the means of production in Cuba, and from there they have "calculated" Castro&#39;s wealth. Cuba has a population of 11,3 million inhabitants. Castro is just one of them.

[Livetrueordie]

Ok, so why should I support someone giving their ill-gotten money on a country which has ruined the name of communism to hundreds of millions of Americans.
Im glad u assume my money is "ill-gotten" questioning capitalism doesn&#39;t mean self-deprivation... And if u think cuba is to blame for the poor communist attitude in america, u obviously sub-due yourself to shitty propaganda by the apparent "enemy"

look at all the progress in cuba. viva fidel

[Hiero]

Message TAT. He works for a something that is like a Charity. They go to other countries and give food, clothes and education.

[Qwerty Dvorak]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2005, 10:22 PM
Ok, so why should I support someone giving their ill-gotten money on a country which has ruined the name of communism to hundreds of millions of Americans.


coz if they had more food, they wouldnt have to slip to capitalism


Do you seriously believe that they would spend all of your money you sent on food? Castro may look like a kind old man, but political repression is not very "kind". :lol:
right - and youre SO much better by refusing point blank to give up any of your money to a good cause (and communism IS a good cause).

cuba is the closest anyone has ever come to a truely socialist country. if YOU think castro is an enemy of communism, thats YOUR bad education, and if you refuse to see through that education because that would mean you have no excuse not to spare a few bucks to save a country from capitalism, then YOU are the enemy.

VIVA FIDEL&#33;&#33;&#33; :castro:

[rioters bloc]

i support amnesty and unhcra [united nations high commission for refugees, australia].

lyrics from chumbawumba - "how to get your band on television"
[thought it was relevant ;)]



Product sells, People die
Same manipulation wrapped in lies
Give a little money and play your rock and roll
The biggest prizes to the biggest fools

In keeping with the fashion for charity, not change
Here&#39;s our contribution: we&#39;ve called it Slag Aid
For every pop star that we slag off today
A million pounds will be given away&#33;

Paul McCarney - Come on Down&#33;
With crocodile tears to irrigate this ground
Make of Ethiopia a fertile paradise
Where everyone sings Beatles songs and buys shares in EMI

Freddie Mercury - This is Your Life&#33;
Thank the Lord that you were born white
And thank apartheid for this wonderful opportunity
To peddle your hypocrisy in Sun City

David Bowie - The Price is Right&#33;
A suitful of compassion and a gobful of shite
Still the voices of those who doubt
Coca-Cola for the peasants to end this drought

Jagger and Richards - Game for a Laugh&#33;
Dancing us down the garden path
To a place where money grows on trees
Where cocaine habits are financed by hunger and disease

Ask the puppet-masters who pull the strings
"Who makes the money when the puppets sing?"
Ask the corporations "Where does the money go?"
Ask the empty bellied children "What are we singing for?"

A Cliff Richard - 3,2,1&#33;
The God who remains when the religion&#39;s gone
Cliff, we&#39;ve got a special surprise for you today
So come closer, step this way

Cliff, you&#39;re such an example of moral worth
Such a purist saint come to bless our Earth
That on behalf of our viewers watching telly
And on behalf of the millions with empty bellies
We&#39;re donating something special that we&#39;re all going to like:
Cliff Richard, we&#39;re going to nail you up to a cross tonight&#33;&#33;

I know there must be more
Than giving just a little bit more
When half of this world is so helplessly poor
Starved of a real solution -
Only charity and tradition
And the cycle of hungry children
Will keep on going round...

[TheReadMenace]

Why the hell do you think that it&#39;s called the non-profit sector?

Redstar already touched this, but I&#39;m going to do it as well.

When a company or organisation labels itself &#39;non-profit,&#39; it is for tax purposes. Because of that, they have to keep track of &#39;retained earnins&#39; - that is, the money retained after all the expenses are paid. So there is plenty of profit in there.

Think of a church. The &#39;tithes&#39; people turn in are used for utility bills and salaries, and the rest is retained. That&#39;s why churches are so fucking rich.

If you&#39;re going to donate clothing and food and stuff, just do it yourself. Don&#39;t take it to goodwill or salvation army or any other charity, because they fucking sell it, and give a little bit to homeless shelters. Instead, just take what clothes you can find (I dive in clothing drop-off boxes) and take it right down to the shelter. Or you could even do one of those Food Not Bombs things, because that&#39;s always a good thing.

Andrew

[workersunity]

whatever your into really, and whatever you feel a connection with, dont just give to any old thing

[upstart79]

Id rather donates my time than give money. I see it as almost arrogant to just send a check to a charity and let THEM carry out yr "good will". Are you too busy? Just lazy? I don’t know, doesn’t seem right.
If I feel that strongly about it, I will bring them the food myself.

I also despise the charitable donation tax write off idea... you should give from yr heart, not to pad yr wallet come next April.

Charity should be kept quiet. I can’t stand that ticker across the bottom of the telethon that tells who gave how much. If you want to see your name on TV, try public access...

All that said, I do respect whatever charitable contributions people make. I can respect the effort, even if it doesn’t coincide with my personal beliefs. They are trying to help... or something like that

[matiasm]

send it to any activists that directly or indirectly support chavista (Hugo Chavez)

[Luís Henrique]

Why give money to a country slipping to capitalism?

If it slips into some kind of semi-autonomous capitalism, it will still be a huge progress compared to the completely US-dependent capitalism they used to have there. Also, do you envision some way that Cuba may become a "socialism in one country" case through the toppling of Castro? Because what I see is Cuba going back to something like a Batista dictatorship ensuring its exploitation by American transnationals.

Luís Henrique

[Fidel Follower]

[QUOTE]Do NOT donate to Cuba. They are a capitalist nation with the disguise of socialism. They have BETRAYED the revolution.[QUOTE]

Tthis is Wrong It is not Cubas fault. the US is suffacating Cuba, any buiness that trades with Cuba, the US will simply not trade with. This is under the Johnson law of some kind? i may be wrong, but its been around since 1960+ And that leaves Cuba in a Very bad situation.

Americans also cannot visit Cuba so it is not as if Fidel is letting America come and spend its money. I think Marx said that for cummunism to be sustained it needs other communist allies to trade with, it or will fall. Communism can not be and island ( not literally)

So it is not cubas fault that they are being suffacated by the US. :hammer: :castro:

[Livetrueordie]

Americans can travel to cuba with the proper paper work...

[Urban Guerrilla]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2005, 06:44 PM
Americans can travel to cuba with the proper paper work...
With a CIA and FBI thorough background check :che:

[Wanted Man]

I just can&#39;t get myself to comprehend how someone can walk around proudly quoting Che, while in the meantime calling his close compañero a vile dictator. But then again, the "Cuba is an evil dictatorship slipping into capitalism" has been a common notion of nutcases from either the maoist or the trotskyite camp.

[Fidel Follower]

Yep, Urban Guerrilla they check all your contacts and past records&#33; So it is hard to get into Cuba...