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Warren Peace
8th August 2005, 19:03
Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9400)

“They made cuts in my penis- There was blood all over”

8/8/2005 5:30:00 PM GMT

These are extracts from the diary of Benyam Mohamed, a 27-year-old Ethiopian man whom the U.S. sent to several countries to be tortured.

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"I didn't have the energy or will to say anything," Benyam wrote

Benyam’s attorney revealed that interrogators in jails through which his client passed before reaching Guantanamo Bay, Cuba abused him sexually and psychologically.

Clive Stafford Smith, a British human rights lawyer who represents 40 Guantanamo Bay prisoners said that Benyam was tortured in Pakistan, Morocco and Afghanistan and that he was flown between those countries by American operatives.

Benyam was arrested at Karachi airport on April 10 2002 by the United States.

In July 2001, Benyam left his home in London and went to Afghanistan, and later left to Pakistan. In his diary he describes how he was flown by a U.S. government plane to a prison in Morocco.

"They cut off my clothes with some kind of doctor's scalpel. I was naked.

"I tried to put on a brave face. But maybe I was going to be raped. Maybe they'd electrocute me. Maybe castrate me", he wrote.

"They took the scalpel to my right chest. It was only a small cut. Maybe an inch. At first I just screamed ... I was just shocked, I wasn't expecting ... Then they cut my left chest. This time I didn't want to scream because I knew it was coming".

"One of them took my penis in his hand and began to make cuts. He did it once, and they stood still for maybe a minute, watching my reaction. I was in agony. They must have done this 20 to 30 times, in maybe two hours. There was blood all over. "I told you I was going to teach you who's the man," [one] eventually said", Benyam continues.

"One of them said it would be better just to cut it off, as I would only breed "terrorists". I asked for a doctor".

Then two doctors came to see Benyam.

"Dr. No1 said "You're all right, aren't you? But I'm going to say a prayer for you."

"Doctor No 2 gave me an Alka-Seltzer for the pain. I told him about my penis. "I need to see it. How did this happen?" I told him. He looked like it was just another patient. "Put this cream on it two times a day."

"One time I asked a guard: "What's the point of this? I've got nothing I can say to them. I've told them everything I possibly could."

"As far as I know, it's just to degrade you. So when you leave here, you'll have these scars and you'll never forget. So you'll always fear doing anything but what the U.S. wants," one of the prison guards told Benyam.
"The following January, a U.S. airplane "picked me up", and a female MP took pictures", Benyam said. "She was one of the few Americans who ever showed me any sympathy."

"They treated me and took more photos when I was in Kabul. Someone told me this was "to show Washington it's healing".

"In Morocco, there were even worse things. About once a week or even once every two weeks I would be taken for interrogation, where they would tell me what to say. They said if you say this story as we read it, you will just go to court as a witness and all this torture will stop. I eventually repeated what was read out to me".

"When I got to Morocco they said some big people in Al Qaeda were talking about me. They talked about Jose Padilla and they said I was going to testify against him and big people. They named Khaled Sheikh Mohamed, Abu Zubaidah and Ibn Sheikh Al Libby [all senior Al Qaeda leaders who are now in U.S. custody]. What they wanted changed from Morocco to when later I was in the Dark Prison [a detention centre in Kabul with windowless cells and American staff], to Bagram and again in Guantanamo Bay".

"They told me that I must plead guilty. I'd have to say I was an Al Qaeda operations man, an ideas man. I kept insisting that I had only been in Afghanistan a short while. "We don't care," was all they'd say".

"On August 6, I thought I was going to be transferred out of there [the prison]. They came in and cuffed my hands behind my back".

"But then three men came in with black masks. It seemed to go on for hours. I was in so much pain I'd fall to my knees. They'd pull me back up and hit me again. They'd kick me in my thighs as I got up. I vomited within the first few punches".

"I didn't have the energy or will to say anything."

"During September-October 2002, I was taken in a car to another place."

"They cuffed me and put earphones on my head. They played hip-hop and rock music, very loud. I remember they played Meat Loaf and Aerosmith over and over. A couple of days later they did the same thing. "

Benyam said he spent 18 months in Morocco.

"For 18 months, there was not one night when I could sleep well. Sometimes I would go 48 hours without sleep. At night, they would bang the metal doors, bang the flap on the door, or just come right in".

"They weren't really interrogations, more like training me what to say." The interrogator told me what was going on. "We're going to change your brain," he said.

"In all the 18 months I was there, I never went outside. I never saw the sun, not even once."

Excerpts of Benyam’s diary were first published last Tuesday in London's Guardian newspaper

timbaly
8th August 2005, 19:19
I never know what to make of these stories. I can easily see the detainee making up fraudulent things to stir up anit-US sentiment yet at the same time I can see the US government doing something like this, though not as inhumane because they wouldn't expect the detainee to get much credibility. Plus I always am skeptical about The Guardian and Al Jazeera.

Decolonize The Left
8th August 2005, 19:58
I'm shocked that you would even consider this to be "made-up". Perhaps you are not familiar with the US' history of support for toture, dictators and massacres. This is not a new thing, it has been happening for years where the US flies someone to other countries to be tortured. It's just with our terrific media system today that we don't hear about any of it. I am not suprised, though I am depressed by the United States' sad display of human dignity.

-- August

timbaly
8th August 2005, 21:27
Just as you don't understand how I could see this as made up, I don't understand how anyone could possibly not see the chance of it being made up. If this man was unlawfully prisoned by the US he obviously is going to have negative feelings toward the country and probably did beforehand so why wouldn't he want to spread anti-US sentiment by exaggerating? I'm not saying inhumane things aren't happening in Guantanamo Bay but it's unreasonable to think that all the allegations are one hundred percent factual.

As for the media system it works both ways, Al Jazeera has motives just as Fox News does. Both organizations are biased as is The Guardian. The Guardian and Al Jazeera want to make the US look like the epitome of evil, as if it were the devil itself, just as Fox News would like you to believe the US is a saint amongst the world's nations.

Decolonize The Left
8th August 2005, 22:29
Fair enough. I see your point and it is vaild.

You are correct in claiming that this could have been an exageration. I just don't think it is a big one. There are worse forms of torture that have been documented in the past and supported by the US. It was and is not uncommon.

As for the media, I don't know enough about either Al Jazeera or the Guardian (although I do read the Guardian) to comment on bias. I will take your word for it. I would be pleased though if you could offer other, neutral if you can find them, news agencies that I can access online for information.

-- August

bolshevik butcher
8th August 2005, 23:38
I think that the guardian is a fairly reliable source. I think that this man amy have exaggerated his claims but he doesnt really seem to ahve any reason to make tehm up if he is innocent.

Decolonize The Left
8th August 2005, 23:47
Thank you Clenched.

If anyone else would like to share information on reliable and fair news sources, I would appreciate it.

I currently read:
The New York Times
The Washington Post
The Guardian
and
The San Francisco Chronicle (I'm from SF)

Any thoughts on these, or others are welcome.

-- August

viva le revolution
9th August 2005, 01:06
Well the new york times and the washington post are extremely unreliable sources of information. I read noam chomsky's ' understanding power' quite an insightful book and i does in some parts go in why the mainstream media is a source that cannot be relied on.

Decolonize The Left
9th August 2005, 01:38
I agree, but I have to get information from somewhere to know what is happening. And from all the US papers, those seem to cover more news than others...

I'm open for suggestions though.

-- August

timbaly
9th August 2005, 02:52
I can't say that I know of one source that is completely neutral. The best suggestion I have is to read multiple sources on the same event and sort of do the math to figure out approximately what probably happened. Assume that American mainstream media sources are bias towards favoring the US and assume Al Jazeera is pro-arab and pro-muslim. However I think you're already doing this.

Commandante_Ant
9th August 2005, 09:07
This is why i hate the American government.

bolshevik butcher
9th August 2005, 10:59
In the UK chanel 4 news is pretty good, the independant and the guardian are the ebst main stream papers. The socialist appeals good, it obviously has a leftist slant but it tells you about events in altin aemrica and other places that just dont get repoted in the main stream media.

Commandante_Ant
9th August 2005, 11:04
Channel 4 is more of an educated news, that burrows deep into the stories. the other channels prefer to deal with sensationalist news from entertainment etc.

bolshevik butcher
9th August 2005, 11:06
I agree, also john snow is a first class interviewer/journalist.

Decolonize The Left
9th August 2005, 18:27
I don't watch television, so there goes channel 4. I will look into the Independent though. Thanks for the comments.

-- August

Warren Peace
9th August 2005, 20:16
I think all the media sources in my sig are reliable and have articles that us leftists would be interested in.

Democracy Now!
Red News
Workers World Newspaper
Guerilla News Network
Al Jazeera

I also read The Pitch, which is the local leftist newspaper here in KCK, though it has more about cool music than politics.


The Guardian and Al Jazeera want to make the US look like the epitome of evil

What do you mean they want to make the US "look like" the epitome of evil? The US is the epitome of evil! :P

timbaly
9th August 2005, 23:14
What do you mean they want to make the US "look like" the epitome of evil? The US is the epitome of evil!


No matter how evil the US is it still is unreasonable to believe that every claim made against them is true. The US isn't the only country/person/group with a motive. Everyone lies and is capable of lieing and exaggerating. Just because the US is the country most likely to act in unjust ways throughout the world doesn't mean that it carries out these acts as brutally as possible as many people would like to have you believe.

BuyOurEverything
10th August 2005, 02:10
I'd disagree with your classification of Al-Jazeera. While I'm not denying that they have an obvious bias, I think it is mostly a US created myth that they are rabidly anti-American and pro-Muslim. I'd say they are generally more like the CNN of the arab world, obviously biased, but not really dogmatic. I mean, if any orginization were to report the Iraq war from an arab perspective, it would be pretty fucking difficult to make it look like anything other than a slaughter, regardless of your political persuasion. Al-Jazeera, in my understanding, was created to provide a better source of information than arabic state-controlled news agencies which were generally rabidly anti-American, pro-Muslim, and very restrictive in their flow of information.

As to this perticular case, while I agree with timbaly that it is immpossible to know if the facts are correct or were exagerated, I think that is almost irrelevant at this point. There already is evidence that the US has tortured innocent people in a manor such as this (anyone read Sy Hersh's Abu Ghraib story for one?). This shit happens all the time. It's also made up all the time. Is this story true? Maybe, maybe not.

timbaly
10th August 2005, 04:41
I'll agree with you that Al-Jazeera is less bias than arab state controlled brainwash television. It certainly is a step in the right direction but I don't fully trust them.

I also want to point out that the part I find to be the hardest to believe is the penis torture. Especially since it was done by doctors and not just some grunt who was pissed off after his buddies were just shot up. As horrible as some US government actions are and have been I just can't see the government slicing a man's penis. The rest seems very believeable and as BuyOurEverything said it doesn't matter if the story is true because things like this certainly happen. It is irrelevant if it actually happened to this man or not.

Warren Peace
10th August 2005, 04:57
I also want to point out that the part I find to be the hardest to believe is the penis torture. Especially since it was done by doctors and not just some grunt who was pissed off after his buddies were just shot up.

Wow I feel awkward going into detail about this, but if you read the article, the penis torture was done by grunts, they just did it with a doctor's scalpal. The real doctors came in afterwards and actually helped him. One said they would say a prayer for him, the other even gave him some medication to help him.

timbaly
10th August 2005, 05:01
Wow I feel awkward going into detail about this, but if you read the article, the penis torture was done by grunts, they just did it with a doctor's scalpal. The real doctors came in afterwards and actually helped him. One said they would say a prayer for him, the other even gave him some medication to help him.

I don't know how I misread that. I see that you're right now that I have looked back. I thought different doctors helped him after other doctors tortured him.

timbaly
10th August 2005, 05:11
I just read it again to make sure. I see that if the penis torturers were doctors they would have probably been reffered to as such. The article should make it clear as to who exactly was doing the torturing, but perhaps the detainee doesn't quite know.

Xiao Banfa
10th August 2005, 05:57
The guardian is a capitalist liberal pro free market rag of the loyal opposition.

Al jazeera is a forum for genuine arab opinion, uncensored the fascist US bullyand spineless client states.

Comrade Sean
10th August 2005, 06:51
The u.s. (lower case used intentionally) government should burn in hell for what they do to innocent people. If you want war on terror fight the u.s. government. THEY ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS!!!!

Commandante_Ant
10th August 2005, 08:25
Originally posted by Revolt Now!@Aug 10 2005, 03:57 AM
Wow I feel awkward going into detail about this, but if you read the article, the penis torture was done by grunts, they just did it with a doctor's scalpal. The real doctors came in afterwards and actually helped him. One said they would say a prayer for him, the other even gave him some medication to help him.

I'm sorry but thats not really helping him. If they wanted to help him, really help him, they would have brought his story to the papers. Saying a prayer rarely helps and medication would only ease his pain for a couple of days. What about the pain he suffered after this?