New leftist

[Twistedsoul]

Just posting saying i like the site and am looking for some good referencs on where to look to expand my horizans in socialism because im am almost done reading "A revoluntionary life" and che has helped me find my true calling for the people, political ideology and my extreme hatred to the american government. i aprecreate any help any of you can bring forth in my search for a better understanding

[Panamarisen]

Welcome, compañero!

Look upon the different threads of the forum: there is a lot of info (books, websites, movies, etc).

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Akbar]

hello i am akbar and i will be you firend

what book you talk about here?

[Zippy]

Quote: from Twistedsoul on 10:50 am on Nov. 16, 2002
... and my extreme hatred to the american government.
Don't be so quick to hate, its an extremely negative emotion. Be angry, don't hate. :)

Zippy.

[Akbar]

yes you are new so stop hating

thankyou

[Twistedsoul]

ok then ive disliked how the american govenrmnet has screwd our country over and over again.

and that book is A Revolutionary life, by john lee anderson. mainly its the only book in my town for sale that is about che personally

[Akbar]

how you country get skrewed?

[IHP]

Welcome comrade. ignore the tool who is asking rediculous questions.

--IHP

[Akbar]

yes welcome and ignore him too
thankyou

[I Bow 4 Che]

Welcome to the board comrade but this thread which be much more suitable for the "lounge" forum-see if we can get it moved

[Twistedsoul]

thx, i know it was suposed to goto the louge but i noticed that after i posted.

but the us has screwed canada many times, but recently becasue of our low dollar the yanks have been buying lots of lumber but by doing so its making their lumber buiness go down so they imposed a tarrif of 45%, i tihnk its less, on all raw lumber and the canadain companys have to pay for the americans to ship it over the border. So much for free trade eh

[hawarameen]

welcome comrade

IHP, i would love to ignore akbar but i just cant and besides our new comrade has a new friend.

akbar your ignorance is funny, i take it you know each other?

Akbar where did you learn to speak such good english?

[Akbar]

yes i be the good friend and i learn the english in the class

you be friend yes? you get nickname i call you boo

you my boo yes?

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Panamarisen on 9:15 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
Welcome, compañero!

Look upon the different threads of the forum: there is a lot of info (books, websites, movies, etc).

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!


Panamarisen, isn't it suposed to be written compaNero, not compaCero. I thought , that *spanish was your first language. You shouldn't have *repeated somebody's mistake.

Sorry if it sounded like an attack. I was just wondering.

We really don't have COMPANEROS here. :-)

[Revolution Hero]

Welcome to the board, Comrade TwistedSoul.
Advise you to follow Marx, Engels and Lenin.
Try to be on the side of the true communists.
Read more leftist literature. BTW, "Manifesto" is good to start with.


(Edited by Revolution Hero at 8:22 am on Nov. 18, 2002)

[antieverything]

Nah, try thinking for yourself...don't bow at the altar of any man.

Do read the Communist Manifesto, and State and Revolution...but also read other, more modern stuff like The Problem of Order: What Unites and Divides Society, anything by Noam Chomsky, CHE (the biography), and anything that you can get your hands on concerning social organization or government including The Federalist Papers (also study what really went on in the Constitutional Conventions in the USA), Common Sense, and try to find some books on Socialism, government, and history in Cuba and the former USSR.

Some novels that are good reading for Leftists are 1984, and Brave New World...Brave New World Revisited is a good book to read too.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from antieverything on 8:14 am on Nov. 18, 2002
Nah, try thinking for yourself...don't bow at the altar of any man.

Do read the Communist Manifesto, and State and Revolution...but also read other, more modern stuff like The Problem of Order: What Unites and Divides Society, anything by Noam Chomsky, CHE (the biography), and anything that you can get your hands on concerning social organization or government including The Federalist Papers (also study what really went on in the Constitutional Conventions in the USA), Common Sense, and try to find some books on Socialism, government, and history in Cuba and the former USSR.

Some novels that are good reading for Leftists are 1984, and Brave New World...Brave New World Revisited is a good book to read too.


The books ON "Socialism, government, and history in Cuba and the former USSR" wouldn't be objective.
"1984" is the book written by the anti- communist bastard.

Comrade TwistedSoul if you really want to think for yourself read the works of Marx, Engels and Lenin in original. Don't read the bullshit of the 3rd author on the topics related to socialism and communism. Only original works!
I advise you to read them if you really want to think for yourself.

[Som]

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 10:31 pm on Nov. 17, 2002

The books ON "Socialism, government, and history in Cuba and the former USSR" wouldn't be objective.
"1984" is the book written by the anti- communist bastard.


While from what i've seen you write, your definition of anti-communist, is merely anything against the soviets, Orwell was a communist. He was merely a very anti-authoritarian marxist. He fought for the POUM in spain, the party of marxist unification i think it stood for.

He merely decided to oppose all forms of authoritarian government, be it socialist or capitalist.

[antieverything]

Yeah, RH is right...if you want to think for yourself, just follow the example of the most ridiculously dogmatic person on the boards...I think I'll go burn some incense at my altar of Lenin right now!

Limit your horizons...the best way to open your mind. Great reasoning, RH...


(Edited by antieverything at 1:55 am on Nov. 18, 2002)

[Floyd.]

The best source of reading material I have come across is at the Rage Against The Machine website www.ratm.com if you click on "READING LIST" in the left hand side toolbar then a list of recommended books will appear.

[antieverything]

Yeah, the RATM reading list has some good stuff on it.

Another thing that I recomend is "Why Socialism" by Albert Einstein...great for using in arguments!

[Palmares]

"Why Socialism" is a good source, though mainly because of who it is by. I recommend reading into philosophy, it will help you interpret things more wisely.

Anyway, welcome comrade! Ignore the stupid slurs between some of the previous people.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

You should read anything at all by Marx, Lenin, Trotsky,or Engels. You could just read the stuff at this site which can be quite informative.

[I Bow 4 Che]

Read tons of right-winged stuff too...what few people realize...is to REALLY understand socialism you must understand capialism first.

[antieverything]

Exactly...I agree 100%, if you can't refute the arguments of the classical liberals and reagonites you do nothing but hurt the cause.

[Twistedsoul]

I thank you all very much your your guidence. and shall be going on a book buying quest once i get a job. And i tihnk i will be able to handle to filter obcence commets in the board :D. im a looking forward to furure descutions and debates

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 8:42 pm on Nov. 17, 2002

Quote: from Panamarisen on 9:15 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
Welcome, compañero!

Look upon the different threads of the forum: there is a lot of info (books, websites, movies, etc).

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!


Panamarisen, isn't it suposed to be written compaNero, not compaCero. I thought , that *spanish was your first language. You shouldn't have *repeated somebody's mistake.

Sorry if it sounded like an attack. I was just wondering.

We really don't have COMPANEROS here. :-)



I DID write "compañero", not "compacero" or "companero", as you can see.

"Compañero" (literally, kind of mate or partner) is much more used than "comrade" among Latin American revolutionaries...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[antieverything]

Panamarisen, isn't it suposed to be written compaNero, not compaCero.

Strange...this guy never ceases to amaze me.

Hey, TS, Silent Bob rules!

[Twistedsoul]

Kevin smith rules.

[Conghaileach]

It was a good laugh to see Randall wearing a CCCP shirt when they played hockey in Clerks.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Panamarisen on 3:40 am on Nov. 19, 2002

Quote: from Revolution Hero on 8:42 pm on Nov. 17, 2002

Quote: from Panamarisen on 9:15 pm on Nov. 16, 2002
Welcome, compañero!

Look upon the different threads of the forum: there is a lot of info (books, websites, movies, etc).

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!


Panamarisen, isn't it suposed to be written compaNero, not compaCero. I thought , that *spanish was your first language. You shouldn't have *repeated somebody's mistake.

Sorry if it sounded like an attack. I was just wondering.

We really don't have COMPANEROS here. :-)



I DID write "compañero", not "compacero" or "companero", as you can see.

"Compañero" (literally, kind of mate or partner) is much more used than "comrade" among Latin American revolutionaries...

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!


But it is supposed to be written compaNero, with the letter N, but not C, in the middle .Compacero is not correct to say.
Well, actually I do know the meaning of this word. :-)))

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from antieverything on 8:57 am on Nov. 18, 2002
Yeah, RH is right...if you want to think for yourself, just follow the example of the most ridiculously dogmatic person on the boards...

Limit your horizons...the best way to open your mind. Great reasoning, RH...


(Edited by antieverything at 1:55 am on Nov. 18, 2002)


Antieverything, you better think over the first sentence one more time. I just made you look like a fool in TheButcher's thread.
BTW, you are wrong about me being dogmatic. We, Marxist- Leninists are never dogmatic, we do develop the theory , considering the modern historical moment.

Your statement about the limitting of horizons is not applicable in this case. Let the man read the original works, so he would analyze and trully think for himself. Why would he read the books ON Marx, Engels, Lenin, with the subjective shit of another author, who can be the supporter of capitalists or just like you the hater of Marx and Lenin, if the man can read the original works of these GREAT THINKERS and really think for himself?

TwistedSoul just read one of the original work of these men and think if you agree or disagree, if the latter then ask you why you disagree with one or another theoretic and post it here, in the theory forum and we will discuss it together.

Comrade twistedsoul, it is really up to you to decide , which road you will choose, but I advise you to be with us, Marxist-Leninists.

[Panamarisen]

RH, where do you see I have written "compaCero"? :confused:

In Spanish you got the "Ñ", not only the "N", which are differently written and spelled.

So for Che´s sake ;) Once again I tell you I wrote "compañero", not "companero" or "compacero", and you can check it back in my first post of this thread.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from Panamarisen on 7:49 am on Nov. 19, 2002
RH, where do you see I have written "compaCero"? :confused:

In Spanish you got the "Ñ", not only the "N", which are differently written and spelled.

So for Che´s sake ;) Once again I tell you I wrote "compañero", not "companero" or "compacero", and you can check it back in my first post of this thread.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

I do know a little bit in Spanish.
Allright, I see what is wrong now, and I know what letter you actually wrote.
!Perdon! My system don't support Spanish alphabet, so
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ^
I see C , instead of n, sorry that is the only way I can write this letter.
*!Perdon!

! Hasta la victoria siempre!
! Socialismo o muerte!

[antieverything]

Uh, RH, I told him to read Marx and Lenin...I said it straight up..."Do read the Communist Manifesto, and State and Revolution...but also read other, more modern stuff..." was the exact quote.

Your claims that you embarassed me on the "green party" thread are laughable. All you did was present ridiculously false statements in a vain attempt to refute the facts that I presented. I looked in several encyclopedias and checked out some Marxist websites before typing my post.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from antieverything on 8:20 am on Nov. 19, 2002
Uh, RH, I told him to read Marx and Lenin...I said it straight up..."Do read the Communist Manifesto, and State and Revolution...but also read other, more modern stuff..." was the exact quote.

Your claims that you embarassed me on the "green party" thread are laughable. All you did was present ridiculously false statements in a vain attempt to refute the facts that I presented. I looked in several encyclopedias and checked out some Marxist websites before typing my post.

"Manifesto", "State and Revolution" and that's about it. What about other works? For example, " Capital"," Anti-During", "Imperialism, as the last stage of capitalism" etc. He has to know all these , in order to understand the modern theoretical developments in the correct way.
BTW, what "modern stuff "do you mean?

Apparently, your sources are not the best. As I have already said some of the parts were correctly presented, according to the true facts, while others ( main part) were the best examples of slander and anti-communist propaganda.

[antieverything]

Well, Encyclopedia Brittanica is considered to be the best reference source in the world...I assume you disagree with Marxists.org

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from antieverything on 8:40 am on Nov. 19, 2002
Well, Encyclopedia Brittanica is considered to be the best reference source in the world...I assume you disagree with Marxists.org

Indeed, these sources disagree with reality.

[antieverything]

I would appreciate it if you would direct me to some "truthful" sources, in that case.

[Revolution Hero]

Quote: from antieverything on 11:02 pm on Nov. 18, 2002
I would appreciate it if you would direct me to some "truthful" sources, in that case.

Truthful sources are those of the Soviet state. I do have many books on Marxism- Leninism, written by the true soviet communists, " Scientific Communism" is one of the best.
I asked the COMMUNITY if there were an english versions of this book, and got the positive reply from MJM. You can ask him about it.

Also , I would like to mention that people , who lived in the USSR can say you the truth , which you wouldn't be able to find at any of your western sources. I know many people who actually were the members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, almost each second man was the member. So, your percentage, which you was so happy to declare, is nothing, but a number , which goes against the reality.

[kalakbay]

Well the first thing that u should find out is f youa re ready for the life of a leftist or u just want to be one because u think its cool. But if not then u could start by reading the Little red book.

[MAN with a RED face]

yeah right, not just by only wearing che t-shirts:-)
the irony is that capitalist profit 4 che