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Saketh
6th August 2005, 04:42
(I hate Christopher Columbus. Now Indians can refer to either people from India or Native Americans. I am of the former class.)

I detest the policies of Nehru (the policies he erected were classified as Nehruvian-Stalinism), and also the Communist Party of India. In fact, I do not think communism is the solution. However, I am most definitely anti-capitalist, as I have experienced its evils firsthand on the streets of India.

I believe that Mao is the only person worth learning from. Perhaps Lenin, but he was not the single-handed force that Mao was. Mao realized the two greatest forces in the country, the peasants and the students, and used them to install the revolution. These policies can be readily applied to the Indian cause, although I question their worthiness. 68% of India's labor force is the peasantry, and a large portion are proletarians as well. A surprisingly large number of Indian students band together under the Red Banner.

I highly doubt that state-owned production will have any benefits until the world is thrown into crisis by OPEC. Too few people understand that OPEC is the manifestation of capitalism in its ultimate imperialistic form. The international cartel will be the death of capitalism, unless the scientists remove the demand for oil with their brilliant energy solutions.

Just as Mao revered the chinese text All Men Are Brother, I revere the Indian texts of the Mahabharata and the Ramayana. In fact, my User ID is simply the name of Rama's birthplace, Rama being the main character of the (you guessed it) Ramayana. There is much to be learned from the ancients, who seemed to have a better grasp of life than the moderners.

I am learning Chinese, and several other Indian languages at the moment. I felt it to be my moral duty to learn German (what with Marx) and so I am fairly good with German. I also made a pilgrimage to Karl-Marx-Haus a month ago, so I feel fulfilled.

Man, I talk too much :lol:

Seeker
6th August 2005, 07:46
Communisim does not mean state-owned production.


There is no state.

There is no ownership of production.

The state-owned and central-planed clusterfucks this world has known were, in theory, the precursor to communism.

I think it is too soon for you to say what the answer is not . . . you've not even stated what you think it is?

Saketh
6th August 2005, 18:24
I'm not against it, and I'm not for it. This is simply because I know too little about it.

Perhaps I should rephrase what I meant. I don't agree with communism because I don't understand it.

However, the entire "no state" idea is one that, though I like, is seemingly far-fetched. I am sure that it is plausible, but I do not understand how it is supposed to work.

Isn't the withering away of the state preceded by a dictatorship of the proletariat?

I have much to learn.

Warren Peace
6th August 2005, 18:29
Sup, comrade.

Ah, yes, the Mahabharata. Remember the "Iron Thundrebolt"?

"Gurkha flying in his swift and powerful Vimana hurled against the three cities of the Vrishis and Andhakas a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and fire, as brilliant as ten thousands suns, rose in all its splendor. It was the unknown weapon, the Iron Thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and Andhakas. The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. The hair and nails fell out; pottery broke without apparent cause, and the birds turned white. After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves in streams, to wash themselves and their equipment." :blink:


However, the entire "no state" idea is one that, though I like, is seemingly far-fetched. I am sure that it is plausible, but I do not understand how it is supposed to work.

Isn't the withering away of the state preceded by a dictatorship of the proletariat?

Ya, It's "preceded" by a socialist state to get to communism (no state power, no classes). Some however, like myself, believe that if we defeat imperialism, classes, and reactionary ideas with revolution, we can screw the socialist state and skip to communism. Since you like Mao I'll quote him on this:

"'Don't you want to abolish state power?' Yes, we do, but not right now; we cannot do it yet. Why? Because imperialism still exists, because domestic reaction still exists, because classes still exist in our country."

Bannockburn
6th August 2005, 21:28
The only way is the Anarchist way.

Saketh
7th August 2005, 21:51
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 08:28 PM
The only way is the Anarchist way.
I have been reading the Anarchist FAQ, and find the anarchist method of analysis to be more logical than the socialist one. However, I think that problems caused by the state must be undone by the state.

I am also investigating the claims on "human nature". I am sure you know what I am talking about - "It is human nature to be selfish" and whatnot.