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Seeker
5th August 2005, 06:28
Does such a beast exist?




A pyramid structure does seem to make sense, but with the abolition of borders the nation --> state --> county --> city demarcation becomes irrelevant. Yet we need layered representation in order to pass laws that affect varying population sizes. Some things (how to cut an egg) are best decided at the local level, while with others (murder is bad) there are enough of us in agreement to enforce it on everyone.

How would the unit at the bottom of the population pyramid be measured?

With trade only happening as needed rather than as often as possible, and the absence of personal property rights (at least when it comes to means of production), what would The Corporation that made it all happen look like?

Did the Soviets already have all this figured out long before I was born? If so, where can I download a blueprint?

Roses in the Hospital
5th August 2005, 09:15
I think government should be based on free and open councels with direct democratic principals:

It wouls start at the level of individual villiges/neighbourhoods where ever week (or however long is neccesary) a forum would be held where everyone would be free to raise and discuss ideas. The minor issues relating to the governing of that particular vilage would be decided there. With regards to wider issues a candidate would be elected to take the views of the villge to the next level . This candidate would be elected only untill the village council came together again and could be recalled at any time, though there's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to occupy the post indeffinately if that's what the people once.
The next level up would probably be the district, comprising 30 -50 villages and would operate on the same principals. Deciding the relevent issues for they're level/area before sending a representative up to the next level.
The next level would then be county, followed by national, then, perhaps, international.
This is the most workable direct democracy I can think of, though whether or not it would survive in principal is another question...

Donnie
5th August 2005, 12:06
A pyramid structure does seem to make sense, but with the abolition of borders the nation --> state --> county --> city demarcation becomes irrelevant. Yet we need layered representation in order to pass laws that affect varying population sizes. Some things (how to cut an egg) are best decided at the local level, while with others (murder is bad) there are enough of us in agreement to enforce it on everyone.
A system of federalism would be emplaced. For example we would have small and large federations.

For example lets say we have a local meeting in the commune on a "green" issue and we come to a solution on how to produce as "greenly" as possible, well the local meeting would decided collectively to pass on a delegate to say a regional federation where he/her would carry out his/her local peoples view to the other delegates that would have come from around the region to explain their local people's views.

I think this would be the way communism would work, I’m not sure? Am I correct? Would there be another system?

Seeker
5th August 2005, 18:10
If one village had one person living in it, and another had two people living in it, would both villages have the same voting power at the district level? Is one person the Most Basic Unit, or does a united majority of that person's neighbors trump the individual (1 community = 1 vote rather than 1 person = 1 vote)?


With the people attending the district meetings often being strangers to eachother, how effective would it be to have a vote at that level to see who represents the district at the next level? It might be a better idea to have a district-wide election with each local rep. as a candidate - whoever loses represents their village at the district level, and the person who wins the most votes is the rep for that district at the next ('state') level.

State level reps would then be voted on by the district councils of that state to see which of them goes on to a regional council. Regional reps are voted into national councils by state reps.



While it makes for a pretty theory, I wonder how useful this setup would be. First, it is still using geography that, without boarders, may or may not be relevant. Also, would it not be a better idea to match form to function rather than coming up with a pretty form only to be left wondering "now what can we do with this?" To answer that, I think we need more clarity on the purpose of having an organization . . .