Asshole with a anti che shirt

[cccpcommie]

Ok, i work at best buy. One day a guy came in with a che shirt but with a guerilla face on it to seem as a joke..but he was a guerilla fighter so i asked the guy...are u pro or anti che? he looked at me and gave me the anti look..so i looked at him sed hasta la victoria siempre and walked away..the next day some weiner was wearing a "Commies aren't cool" shirt with che at the bottom crossed out.. so i went up to him and im like your anti che? and he stated yea i am..most cubans hate him..so i lied and said i was cuban and showed him my undershirt which was depicting a photo of che..(since the last butthead was wearing a anti che shirt i thought i should wear mine just incase sum 1 else came in like that)he basically had no real reason in hating che..i told him that i am russian and i love che guevara and that he is my idol..we talked for a little bit and i think i kinda converted him a lil..his parents were from cuba and he was like 26 :D

[bed_of_nails]

You should have had three comrades jump out of the back room with Machetes and hack him to pieces.

[cccpcommie]

anohter time a kid wore a einstien shirt with his face like ches..with the beret..so i asked him if he were communist he sed no its to make fun of che..im like well im pretty sure einstien was a socialist..and he shut his retarted mouth as well

[bed_of_nails]

Einstein was particularly liberal in his beliefs, so I am not sure how that is making fun of Che.

It was more likely an Anti-Einstein campaign comparing him to "the pinko enemy".

[Clarksist]

Yeah, there are a LOT of people who talk shit about "commie bastards".

However, lying about who you are is kinda underhanded. And it seems like communism stands enough on its own to not need the use of lying.

But, a conversion is a conversion.

[aberos]

you have to remember that working in best buy is not the best environment to be showered with intelligent clientele. i imagine it is mostly angsty teenagers, suburbanite computer shoppers, and rednecks shopping for huge televisions...products all of the anti-red school system. plus anyone who is going to where an anti-anything t-shirt is stupid to begin with because no one really cares what you are against. stupid ego-centric morons. i suggest the next time you see some idiot wearing an anti-red shirt, you just frown inwardly and smile at them so that you do not endanger your job. you must smile upon your enemies to draw them in closer to the point of your blade.

[Red Rebel]

i try and avoid debates with people I don't know. You probaly can't change there beliefs or they are just not smart enough to accept something different.

And about lying, Fidel Castro said once in an interview that he had no reason to lie because he had no reason to hide the truth.


you have to remember that working in best buy is not the best environment to be showered with intelligent clientele.

So yeah, what aberos said.

[Scars]

Most people are ignorant and misguided in their views. Attempting to educate them on the truth is more useful than abusing them then whining about the issue on the internet.

[novemba]

On a random note...

I saw a kid in Grand Central wearing a red shirt with Biggie Smalls' face in the same position as the famous image of che. It was pretty hawt.

[Karl Marx's Camel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:29 AM
Ok, i work at best buy. One day a guy came in with a che shirt but with a guerilla face on it to seem as a joke..but he was a guerilla fighter so i asked the guy...are u pro or anti che? he looked at me and gave me the anti look..so i looked at him sed hasta la victoria siempre and walked away..the next day some weiner was wearing a "Commies aren't cool" shirt with che at the bottom crossed out.. so i went up to him and im like your anti che? and he stated yea i am..most cubans hate him..so i lied and said i was cuban and showed him my undershirt which was depicting a photo of che..(since the last butthead was wearing a anti che shirt i thought i should wear mine just incase sum 1 else came in like that)he basically had no real reason in hating che..i told him that i am russian and i love che guevara and that he is my idol..we talked for a little bit and i think i kinda converted him a lil..his parents were from cuba and he was like 26 :D

so i lied and said i was cuban and showed him my undershirt which was depicting a photo of che..(since the last butthead was wearing a anti che shirt i thought i should wear mine just incase sum 1 else came in like that)he basically had no real reason in hating che..i told him that i am russian and i love che guevara and that he is my idol..we talked for a little bit and i think i kinda converted him a lil..his parents were from cuba and he was like 26 :D


You said you were Cuban, and aftwards, that you were Russian, to the same person?

[OleMarxco]

Oh, heck, that might've confused a fella ;)
'Tho, I don't normally give a shit 'bout this cult'o-personality forum,
sure, some trivial worshippin' is acceptable..cool...but not more than
that. This shit's just a "shirt-war" :P

[STI]

I have to say, I'm not thrilled about all this "most people are ignorant stupid assholes..." stuff. It's generally not true. Most people are receptive enough if they're in the mood to listen (which they probably aren't if you start attacking them while they're at the store), it's just a matter of finding the right time and the right way to talk about it.

I'm not your mother, so I can't tell you what not to do. I'm just a bit sensitive about it because I was at least as bad as (probably worse than) any of you.

This comment got to me especially...


products all of the anti-red school system

What school system did you go through? The same one? Wow. You must be really special to have not succumbed to the anti-red myths you heard. Much smarter than any ordinary person! Maybe we should put you in charge of the revolution.

See what kind of stuff that type of thinking can lead to?

[Colombia]

Where do people get these shirts?

Here in New Jersey, you are more likely to find someone wearing a Pablo Escobar shirt.

[Anarchist Freedom]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 12:43 AM
Where do people get these shirts?

Here in New Jersey, you are more likely to find someone wearing a Pablo Escobar shirt.
They make pablo escobar shirts!? :o

[aberos]

sti, i know that you are a moderator and all, but do not impune my intelligence and do not belittle my arguements when they are right. i defy you to factually prove to me that your american school system is not anti-red. please, make me look like the idiot that you seem to think that i am because i sincerely think that it is very nearly impossible to factually argue that in a country where a rogue senatorial committee was sponsored and given unconditional power to ruin the life of anyone that was social with someone who might have been affiliated with the communist party children are taught that it is okay to be red. do not mock me, and do not mock my intelligence. i do not think that i attacked anyone personally, so i refuse to be victim to it by way of some feeling of cyber supremacy. make me leader of the revolution? what revolution? the one consisting of angsty teenagers that like to aruge about the validity of the idea of the legalization of cannabis by way of typing on their computer in suburbia? that revolution? no thanks, i think i will just continue to mind my own business and occaisionally post my thoughts thank you.

[Warren Peace]

im like well im pretty sure einstien was a socialist

I'm very sure he was a socialist!

"Capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

It's funny how capitalist fools admire Einstein for being the smartest dude who ever lived and have no idea he was also a socialist. :lol:

[Defyman]

Originally posted by Revolt Now!@Aug 6 2005, 04:37 PM

im like well im pretty sure einstien was a socialist

I'm very sure he was a socialist!

"Capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

It's funny how capitalist fools admire Einstein for being the smartest dude who ever lived and have no idea he was also a socialist. :lol:
There is proof that A.Einstein was a socialist. Check out his article named "Why socialism" published in monthly review..you'll find it on http://home.att.net/~Resurgence/Einstein.htm

[OleMarxco]

Sure, he's a socialist. But renember, and don't forget al'tho, that fact's not neglected by the Cappies - just 'hushed down' and kept secret. Therefore, the Cappie's don't really worship him - Just 'eir respective "followers", do. Or atleast the "don't carer's", do, HEH! The Capitalists don't really care either, they like his scienticific work - but frown down on 'is allegedly leftism! BAH! Who gives a shit? The revolution don't NEED 'em an'eir opinions! Fuck 'em all :P

[Colombia]

He sure wasn't a guy who sticked to being the idea socialist. He made a lot of money from the Manhattan Project.

[STI]

sti, i know that you are a moderator and all, but do not impune my intelligence and do not belittle my arguements when they are right.

Oh, well, excuse me, oh lord of vocabulary. Couldn't find the shift-key?

Try not to talk down to people, especially if you can't be bothered to capitalize.

Remember: proper capitalization is the difference between "I helped my uncle Jack off a horse" and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse".


i defy you to factually prove to me that your american school system is not anti-red.

???

Where did I argue that the school system wasn't anti-red?

What I was arguing against was the superiorist attitude you seem to have toward regular people (you know, the people who are supposed to overthrow capitalism. Some people call them "the proletariat").

The statement "They're products of the anti-red school system" implies that, since you've been through the school system and are "red", that you've somehow "seen the light" that they have not seen, despite the fact that you, too, have been through the "anti-red" system. The rest follows from there.

Could the reason some people are "anti-red" be not because of the school system entirely (as every leftist who has gone through school proves), but maybe because they've never come into contact with leftist thought, or when they have, they've been talked-down-to by people who, like you, think themselves to be "better"?


do not mock me, and do not mock my intelligence.

I wasn't "mocking your intelligence". I was mocking your attitude of "more intelligence than normal people".


do not think that i attacked anyone personally,

You didn't mention names, but you attacked "angsty teenagers, suburbanite computer shoppers, and rednecks shopping for huge televisions", as though teenagers who are pissed off about the way they have to live, or people who buy computers and TVs, are lesser than you. After all, you all went through the same anti-red school system, but "only you" have managed to "gain enlightenment".


make me leader of the revolution? what revolution?

Hmmm.... maybe the proletarian revolution. You know, the one intended to overthrow capitalism.


the one consisting of angsty teenagers that like to aruge about the validity of the idea of the legalization of cannabis by way of typing on their computer in suburbia?

Havn't spent much time actually reading this site, have you? Or revolutionary theorists? Didn't think so.

What's wrong with legalizing pot?

What's wrong with living in suburbia? Most suburban teens go to school (Work Jr.) and have jobs (I've worked, on-and-off, full-time and part-time), since I was 14. I'm now 18. Guess where I live? Suburbia. A lot of "suburban" people are working class.

Oh, wait, I forgot. You're better than the working class.


no thanks, i think i will just continue to mind my own business and occaisionally post my thoughts thank you.

It's probably better that you mind your own business. Heaven forbid you come into contact with us dirty, stupid workers.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2005, 10:36 PM
You should have had three comrades jump out of the back room with Machetes and hack him to pieces.
and you wonder where we get the "crazy leftists" title from

[Gust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 04:29 AM
Ok, i work at best buy. One day a guy came in with a che shirt but with a guerilla face on it to seem as a joke..but he was a guerilla fighter so i asked the guy...are u pro or anti che? he looked at me and gave me the anti look..so i looked at him sed hasta la victoria siempre and walked away..the next day some weiner was wearing a "Commies aren't cool" shirt with che at the bottom crossed out.. so i went up to him and im like your anti che? and he stated yea i am..most cubans hate him..so i lied and said i was cuban and showed him my undershirt which was depicting a photo of che..(since the last butthead was wearing a anti che shirt i thought i should wear mine just incase sum 1 else came in like that)he basically had no real reason in hating che..i told him that i am russian and i love che guevara and that he is my idol..we talked for a little bit and i think i kinda converted him a lil..his parents were from cuba and he was like 26 :D
That dude must have been a dumbass.

[aberos]

i do not know if you noticed sti, but i did not capitalize anything in my post. it is called stylistic liberty friend; and i do it because, yes, i cannot be bothered by using the shift key. furthermore, if you spent the entire time it took you to read my post focusing on my purposeful capitalization errors rather than my arguements, you have no business debating with anyone anywhere. i find it funny that the first thing you attack is my style of typing rather than my points and arguements. good call.

rolling along though, i do not know who ever said i was a product of the american school system. it most certainly was not me. i can promise that much because it would not true. i do not have anything against the amercian school system, but when someone posts about how he is pissed off about the ignorance of the people he sees on a day to day basis because they are ignorant, i would imagine that it would be helpful to offer theories as to how that came about. ignorance about leftism in america...hmmm...where could that possibly come from? oh right, people in america are, by and large, brought up to believe that they are "better off dead before red!" that is not a "holier than thou" attitude or me being condescending, it is a simple statement of fact that the vast ignorance and hatred for the left in the states is born out of ignorance and incorrect teachings in the school system. i am sorry if you feel offended by that truth, but it is what it is.

and if your proletariat uprising that is numerically impossible in the states is going to be made up of the working class people that have been brought up to believe the left is evil, how exactly is their an uprising? i do not know about you, but i have not seen riots and guerrilla activities in the streets led by suburbanites crying out for socialism. maybe it is just because i am a little out of the loop on that matter, but if that is the case, please bring these promising instances to my attention because i would be delighted to read about them. but for some reason i see facts slow and coming from you because it appears to me that your chief debating skills come from attacking your opponent rather than factual support.

and do i think that i am above average intelligence? fuck yes. i have an iq of 167. i scored a 1530 on my sats in seventh grade. i was halfway through my junior year in college before i was a junior in high school. i helped my english and history professors develop their lesson plans in college. i was offered a full scholarship to stanford. so yes, i am sorry but i do think that i am smarter than the average bear comrade. do i think that makes me better than anyone else? fuck no. although i may be more scholastically intelligent than most folks, i sure as hell am not nearly as talented in other facets of life as other people. everyone has something that they are meant for in this world, and everyone has something that are exceptional in. my specific area just happens to be in my head. that does not make me better than anyone else, it just means i can likely read a book faster and comprehend it better than most people.

i am not trying to pick a fight with anyone because the concept of waging an online battle via the internet over something as trivial as a t-shirt truly does not appeal to me. the only reason why i am reacting with such fervor is because when you chose to condradict my statement that was made partly in jest to begin with, you decided to do so with malice and by means of ignorantly attacking me as a person rather than my point. that is childish and not a good way of coming across as intelligent. i probably would have just let it go anyway, but you are the leader of this particular room, and you made a weak and rude arguement about me. act like the leader your title demands of you.

[Holocaustpulp]

I've seen the same shirt ("commies aren't cool"). The problem I have with pro-Che shirts however that they seem to be getting out of hand - people wear them as a fashion and don't give a shit about Che's ideals or accomplishments.

- HP

[cccpcommie]

to answer your question before..sorry i was in calabria italy, ..i told him i am russian but born in cuba**..and ok i was correct about him being a socialist..but i didnt want to just say he WAS because i know there are kids on here who probably worship the man like most of us do to che lol and there are others who just read A LOT and could have debated that he was or wasnt..did want to start that but the bottom line is..it doesnt matter wether or not people know about him or not...there are people who wear crosses and stuff and they may or may not believe in god fully..some claim they are agnostic but wear a cross..its like comon..who cares because if people see the face alot they will want to know what he was about..then you can share your education with others..like che would want you to do. :D
AS LONG AS WE SPREAD THE WORD OF CHE, it doesnt matter...
and i hate the american school system so much..u cant argue me at all because out here in ny and new jersey it is complete shit. thats why so many dont go to college, and or join the armed forces..its not so much the money

[Sugar Hill Kevis]

I saw some prick in the Ché Shirt with the monkeys face when I was on work experience. I asked him what he thought of Ché Guevara and he said Ché who? I said nevermind and put his jeans through the till...

[timbaly]

I find this thread to be hilarious. A friend of mine just told me that she had been wearing the same che-gorilla shirt to school a few months ago. She did get a few people confronting her about it especially since she would wear it multiple times a week. Some of the reactions from people were ridiculous such as shouting and cursing. I think the shirt is funny and clever (gorilla/guerilla) whether it's making fun of che or not.

[STI]

I find this thread to be hilarious. A friend of mine just told me that she had been wearing the same che-gorilla shirt to school a few months ago. She did get a few people confronting her about it especially since she would wear it multiple times a week. Some of the reactions from people were ridiculous such as shouting and cursing. I think the shirt is funny and clever (gorilla/guerilla) whether it's making fun of che or not.

Finally! Somebody with a fucking sense of humour!


i do not know if you noticed sti, but i did not capitalize anything in my post. it is called stylistic liberty friend; and i do it because, yes, i cannot be bothered by using the shift key

Aough ouvhrtg oyie tuoasur.

Stylistic liberty.


furthermore, if you spent the entire time it took you to read my post focusing on my purposeful capitalization errors rather than my arguements, you have no business debating with anyone anywhere.

That's just silly. I made one comment on your capitalization, and several about the actual content of your post.


i find it funny that the first thing you attack is my style of typing rather than my points and arguements. good call.

Except for all those times when I, uh, erm, did attack your points and arguments.

Jump the gun a litte maybe?


i do not have anything against the amercian school system

That's weird. I have plenty against it.


i do not know who ever said i was a product of the american school system. it most certainly was not me. i can promise that much because it would not true.

Oh, so what system did you go through?


but when someone posts about how he is pissed off about the ignorance of the people he sees on a day to day basis because they are ignorant, i would imagine that it would be helpful to offer theories as to how that came about.

I never denied that the "education" system espouses anti-redism. What I was against was the smartlier-than-thou attitude of which you reek.


where could that possibly come from? oh right, people in america are, by and large, brought up to believe that they are "better off dead before red!

I really don't think most people are like that. I think a lot of the problem is when and how we talk to people about politics ("most people are fuckin idiots" and such generally doesn't help).

Almost every time I bring up politics, when it's relevant to the discussion and is done in a good way, people are at least a little receptive. I think a lot of the reason people "don't want to hear it" is because they're just not in the mood. When somebody is out to buy a TV, s/he isn't looking for a lecture on ***CHE***. A better time to bring up class struggle would probably be, for example, when you're complaining about the boss with your co-workers.


that is not a "holier than thou" attitude or me being condescending, it is a simple statement of fact that the vast ignorance and hatred for the left in the states is born out of ignorance and incorrect teachings in the school system.

You're not seeming to get (even with your 167 IQ) that my objection isn't to the (very valid) observation that the school system is anti-red, it's to the things that follow from it and the lack of any other theory. Surely we've all been through the "anti-red" system, and have come out "red", so it can't *just* be the school system. There has to be another explaination.

The general consensus in this thread was that it was simply because "they're fuckin' stupid". I've rejected that and have explained why.


and if your proletariat uprising that is numerically impossible in the states is going to be made up of the working class people that have been brought up to believe the left is evil, how exactly is their an uprising?

How the hell is it "numerically impossible"?

I don't know where that second part came from.

That whole section didn't really make much sense at all. "My proletariat"?


i do not know about you, but i have not seen riots and guerrilla activities in the streets led by suburbanites crying out for socialism.

You're right! Nobody's ever resisted capitalism! Ever! History began and ended in the 1990s.

The uprising in Paris, 1968 would be a good thing to read up on.


maybe it is just because i am a little out of the loop on that matter, but if that is the case, please bring these promising instances to my attention because i would be delighted to read about them. but for some reason i see facts slow and coming from you because it appears to me that your chief debating skills come from attacking your opponent rather than factual support.

Factual support wasn't needed until this post.

Here's another cool example. Workers are constantly resisting capital, if not always consciously. They steal from work, slack off, organize, stuff like that.


and do i think that i am above average intelligence? fuck yes. i have an iq of 167. i scored a 1530 on my sats in seventh grade

Your mother must be so proud.


yes, i am sorry but i do think that i am smarter than the average bear comrade

I think you're conflating "academic intelligence" with "all kinds of intelligence" (read: interpersonal, maybe?).


that does not make me better than anyone else, it just means i can likely read a book faster and comprehend it better than most people

And that's why you're a leftist and not Joe from BestBuy?


i am not trying to pick a fight with anyone because the concept of waging an online battle via the internet over something as trivial as a t-shirt truly does not appeal to me. the only reason why i am reacting with such fervor is because when you chose to condradict my statement that was made partly in jest to begin with, you decided to do so with malice and by means of ignorantly attacking me as a person rather than my point

Actually, my orignal post was only following what logically followed from your statement. I only mentioned "you" in the abstract, not "you" specifically. The post also applied to pretty much everyone who'd participated in the thread up to that point, but you're the only one who seemed to get very offended by it. Wonder why that is.


. i probably would have just let it go anyway, but you are the leader of this particular room, and you made a weak and rude arguement about me. act like the leader your title demands of you.

I absolutely love your tone.

The argument wasn't "about you", nor was it "weak" (hell, you still havn't addressed it yet). I don't know where you're getting that.

But hey, what the hell do I know? You're the one with the IQ of 167, and I'm just a punkass angsty teen who shops at BestBuy. :rolleyes:

[bed_of_nails]

I am not even going to call this 2 cents, but here is something I noticed:

There is no way this kid has an IQ of 167. My IQ is 158, and I never use "Stylistic Liberty" as an excuse not to use capitals.

He rants like a teenage child, which makes me believe he is actually 15 years old.

Kid just a word of advice: If you are going to go about bragging about your IQ, at least make a halfhearted attempt at using it.

[aberos]

i just typed out a long reply, but then my computer went kaputz on me...it is all very upsetting. the jist of it was i am sorry if i was the one that started this little tiff because i did not intend to pick a fight. if i came off as if riding on a high horse, that was entirely unintentional. i was only making a joke that was taken the wrong way, and then i got a little bit defensive when i felt i was being talked down to and treated like an idiot. i have a bit of an inferiority complex, and i tend to be quick to assume. so, if this whole complication was initiated by me, i am sorry for that.

bed of nails, please do not refer to me as "kid" because you are younger than me. i have read several of your posts and liked what you had to say, so i really do not want to get into a overblown argument with you much like i have with sti just because i felt that i was having my intelligence demeaned. i recognize that i went a little overboard, and if it was truly started by me taking things the wrong way, i apologize.

as to my statement about the unlikliehood of a proletariat rebellion in the states, i meant just that. i understand and recognize that people have been rebelling against capitalism ever since the hair-brained idea was cooked up, and to not would be silly, but my statement did not insinuate that a rebellion against capitalism was impossible anywhere; or, at least, that is not how i meant it. what i was attempting to state was that since the american capitalistic economy has an iron clad grip around the necks of the people, media and corporations of the states, the idea of a revolution starting here seems unlikely. a majority of the people in the states seem to be fairly content with the status quo, and as long as it is so, it is infeasible. furthermore, for a group of revolutionaries to try to force their ideals upon a majority of the society in the states that are happy with the way things are as is would be unethical. then it would cease to be a revolution of the people, and become a revolution against the people. as long as the majority of society in the states resists leftist thinking, it is an impossibility. as che said, it is essential to have the support of the people for a revolution to be successful.

granted there are ways to get that support such as cutting off the rightest media and tearing down the walls of capitalism at the corporate source so that they can no longer brain wash the masses; but to think that this could be done overnight is silly. a revolution in the states would not be a revolution at all because it would have to be slow and steady rather than fast and powerful in my opinion.

[cccpcommie]

u guys should stop being pussies and just find eachother and fight..

[cccpcommie]

u guys should stop being pussies and just find eachother and fight..

[bed_of_nails]

How do you do a double post with an 8-minute time difference?

[KC]

Dialup :lol:

[cccpcommie]

i have cable..lol maybe cuz i went downstairs to piss came up and hit post..again possibly? idk lol