A New God?

[redstar2000]

Behold! A New God Has Emerged! It's FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster)

Ask any agnostic. He'll tell you that we atheists can't prove it's not true. :lol:

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[Elect Marx]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/DoNotFeedTroll.jpg

Here is another definition for you:


Originally posted by Actually from wikipedia
In the context of the Internet, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages intended to cause a disruption in discourse. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll)

This goes to the Trashcan.

[redstar2000]

No sense of humor, 313C7 iVi4RX?

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[Ian]

"There are various known sects of modern Monsterism, from the tight-knit Orthodox Monsterist Church of West Virginia, to the loosely assosiated Pastapharians of the Caribbean, to the Flaspamonists of South Central Los Angeles and the more modernized First United Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. A heretical sect, the Reformed Church of Alfredo, is in deep opposition to the mainstream Monsterists. " :lol:

[Mujer Libre]

And here I was thinking the Invisible Pink Unicorn (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn) was the one true god(dess)...

My dreams have been shattered.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 05:12 AM
No sense of humor, 313C7 iVi4RX?

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Not when it comes to trolls that avoid debate and take cheap shots.

[Pawn Power]

Hail the pasta!

[Camarada]

I follow the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn

Blessed be her Holy Hooves!

Here's a picture of Her:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn.png

[Camarada]

bwahahaha

http://uncyclopedia.org/images/0/04/First_Church_of_FSM.jpg

http://uncyclopedia.org/images/4/4f/Pop_culture_FSM.jpg

http://uncyclopedia.org/images/0/05/MichelangeloFSM.jpg

[Clarksist]

You guys think THIS is funny?

I mean, I hate organized relgion as much as the next guy. But this isn't even funny enough for me to smile at it.

All this does is register in your mind that there is some slight humor in it... but alas its too late...

Shouldn't we be working all this anti-religious rage for anti-religion.


This goes to the Trashcan.


Do it. Please.

[Publius]

Don't be a dick, this is funny shit.

Of course, I think all religion is funny.

[Pawn Power]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 02:59 PM
You guys think THIS is funny?

I mean, I hate organized relgion as much as the next guy. But this isn't even funny enough for me to smile at it.

All this does is register in your mind that there is some slight humor in it... but alas its too late...

Shouldn't we be working all this anti-religious rage for anti-religion.


This goes to the Trashcan.


Do it. Please.
It is anti-religion, and hilarious at that.

It shows how irrational and ridiculous the argument "you cannot prove god does not exsist" is because...well you cannot prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exsit or the Invisable Pink Unicorn.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 01:59 PM
You guys think THIS is funny?

I mean, I hate organized relgion as much as the next guy. But this isn't even funny enough for me to smile at it.

All this does is register in your mind that there is some slight humor in it... but alas its too late...

Shouldn't we be working all this anti-religious rage for anti-religion.


This goes to the Trashcan.


Do it. Please.
Maybe there is some humor in it but in the end what are you getting? A cheep thrill with your cronies while making no social impact. You aren't helping anyone, just making yourself feel good and laughing at the irrationality of others. Cheep thrills aren't inherently bad, they just don't belong here.

This would belong in Chit Chat if it wasn't a trolling thread against agnostics... I'd trash it again if it would stay there.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

rofl!
uncyclopedia is hysterical
read up on Oprah

hahaha
good one, red

[redstar2000]

Some threads that mock religious belief in this subforum...

Jiggle for Jesus!, Christian Cheerleading Camps (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34827)

God Hates Figs (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34172)

The LORD moons Moses, Mature readers only (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34347)

SATAN'S IMAGE APPEARS..., on the back of a TURTLE? (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34075)

The Devil's Driveway, A street by any other name... (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=34029)

Funny book review (The Bible) (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=27673)

Career Opportunities in Exorcism, Short Supply Amidst Growing Need (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=33663)

Life In Our Anti-Christian America!, America is an "anti-Christian" society. (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=33414)

Of particular relevance is this thread...

Free Speech in a Christian Land, Defending the "Holy Father" (http://www.revolutionaryleft.com/index.php?showtopic=32744)

A few of you folks would wish, I suppose, that people like me would be -- well, what? -- fined or sued or something for poking fun at superstition. As if we were somehow "obligated" to treat that crap with "respect" at "all times".

Upwards of 95% of the threads in this forum are intended for serious discussion -- but humor has its role as a weapon against superstition.

If George W. Bush tripped and fell into a basin of "holy water", would we not take note of that humorous event? In the Politics forum??? If Tony Blair was shat upon by a passing bird at some pompous gathering of the "rich and famous", would that not be funny?

And indeed, do we not, from time to time, poke fun at the idiotic views of the cappies in Opposing Ideologies? Well, I do...and I think others have as well.

If anyone is offended by this thread, I think that means you've been spending too much time on the internet. :lol:

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[coda]

Well, here's my contribution. this came from the local news here in New York City. I looked for a link, but couldn't find one because even the news reports realized how STUPID it is.

In Hoboken New Jersey, there is a guy who collects religious statues and displays them outside his apartment complex. About a year ago he picked up a Jesus statue with Jesus gazing down, his eyelids closed. last week, the man noticed one of the eyes are now open, and lo and behold, it's a blue eye! Of course, the flocks are coming streaming in to Hoboken to stand vigil to see this miracle of the one-eyed Jesus.

It's pretty obvious that somebody came by with a little pot of paint and did some artistic revelry. I mean.. the joke is in the art!!!!! what do you call one eye open and one eye closed --- a wink!!! Sooo apparent! But not to the poor stupid flocks!

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2005, 12:17 PM
Behold! A New God Has Emerged! It's FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER! (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster)

Ask any agnostic. He'll tell you that we atheists can't prove it's not true. :lol:

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That isn't the point.

A belief system is not neccessarily built on truths, but rather that of which is more plausible than other possibilities.

And in such a system, there could then be [some] room for "unlikely" possibilities.

It's just being open-minded.

But let dogmatism be the rule by all means... <_<

[KC]

A belief system is not neccessarily built on truths, but rather that of which is more plausible than other possibilities.

And that&#39;s why belief systems are irrational.



And in such a system, there could then be [some] room for "unlikely" possibilities.

How is the flying spaghetti monster more unlikely than whatever anyone else thinks god is? It&#39;s not. Because you can&#39;t prove any of it, they&#39;re both just as likely.


It&#39;s just being open-minded.

No. It&#39;s being irrational.



But let dogmatism be the rule by all means... dry.gif

The funny thing is religion is dogmatic. Let&#39;s take two definitions of "dogma" from the Merriam Webster dictionary:

1: A point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.
2: A doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.

Coincidence that those two definitions are of the same word? I think not.

[guerillablack]

This was wack.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by Lazar+--> (Lazar)And that&#39;s why belief systems are irrational.[/b]

So you would then by virtue believe in nothing? A nihilist?


Originally posted by Lazar+--> (Lazar)How is the flying spaghetti monster more unlikely than whatever anyone else thinks god is? It&#39;s not. Because you can&#39;t prove any of it, they&#39;re both just as likely.[/b]

Conceptually I agree. However, the Judeo-Christian Islamic god holds more ground due to alleged historical proof. That isn&#39;t to say I beleive it, but it holds some (however small) sway.


Originally posted by Lazar
No. It&#39;s being irrational.

Care to elaborate? It&#39;s pretty easy to call something "irrational", but more productive to give an argument why.


[email protected]
The funny thing is religion is dogmatic. Let&#39;s take two definitions of "dogma" from the Merriam Webster dictionary:

1: A point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds.
2: A doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church.


I didn&#39;t say religion was not dogmatic. I&#39;m simply saying atheism is dogmatic against religion.

See the difference?



Lazar
Coincidence that those two definitions are of the same word? I think not.

Your point?

[KC]

So you would then by virtue believe in nothing? A nihilist?

I said belief systems are irrational. Not beliefs.


Conceptually I agree. However, the Judeo-Christian Islamic god holds more ground due to alleged historical proof. That isn&#39;t to say I beleive it, but it holds some (however small) sway.

Haha that is a joke.


Care to elaborate? It&#39;s pretty easy to call something "irrational", but more productive to give an argument why.


I&#39;ve elaborated a LOT in the thread called "LOGIC". I don&#39;t know where it is, it might be kind of far down.

[Palmares]

I said belief systems are irrational. Not beliefs.

Point taken. I was confused by the semantics.

However, continuing this point, beliefs are inevitably part of a system. Whether it be structured externally, of that of your own system.


Haha that is a joke.

And that isn&#39;t an argument.


I&#39;ve elaborated a LOT in the thread called "LOGIC". I don&#39;t know where it is, it might be kind of far down.

I&#39;ll look for it and get back to you on it then (unless you want to quote/link yourself from that thread).

[Ownthink]

Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2005, 03:59 PM
You guys think THIS is funny?

I mean, I hate organized relgion as much as the next guy. But this isn&#39;t even funny enough for me to smile at it.

All this does is register in your mind that there is some slight humor in it... but alas its too late...

Shouldn&#39;t we be working all this anti-religious rage for anti-religion.


This goes to the Trashcan.


Do it. Please.
You&#39;re telling me that "Touched by His noodly appendage" isn&#39;t funny? :D

[KC]

However, continuing this point, beliefs are inevitably part of a system. Whether it be structured externally, of that of your own system.

Should I have said "belief structure"?




And that isn&#39;t an argument.

I was under the impression that we agreed on this. But what evidence do you speak of?



I&#39;ll look for it and get back to you on it then (unless you want to quote/link yourself from that thread).

Haha I&#39;m going to bed.

[Commie Girl]

:lol: This is great....Comments?

OPEN LETTER TO KANSAS SCHOOL BOARD

I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.

Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.

It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.

Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.

I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.

You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.



In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.

Sincerely Yours,

Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.

P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.


To see pictures&#33;&#33; (http://www.venganza.org/)

[redstar2000]

The word spreads.

Noodly blessings be upon you all. :lol:

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[Palmares]

Should I have said "belief structure"?

Perhaps. But it would have been more clear if you alluded to the fact that what you infact meant related to dogma, or a "world-view" as it were.

But it doesn&#39;t matter - sematics.


I was under the impression that we agreed on this.

Misunderstood your context. Indeed I do agree.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by Ownthink+Aug 9 2005, 01:02 AM--> (Ownthink @ Aug 9 2005, 01:02 AM)
[email protected] 6 2005, 03:59 PM
You guys think THIS is funny?

I mean, I hate organized relgion as much as the next guy. But this isn&#39;t even funny enough for me to smile at it.

All this does is register in your mind that there is some slight humor in it... but alas its too late...

Shouldn&#39;t we be working all this anti-religious rage for anti-religion.


This goes to the Trashcan.


Do it. Please.
You&#39;re telling me that "Touched by His noodly appendage" isn&#39;t funny? :D [/b]
:lol: How could this NOT be funny....Its fucking hilarious&#33;&#33;

The similarities to ANY religion are atounding&#33; There is as much proof for the validity of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as Jesus is the son of God shit.

Relax, sit back and enjoy the show :D

[Commie Girl]

Shit&#33; I didnt realize this thread was already started. Maybe this one should be trashed??

[Lord Testicles]

his noodly appendages touches us all :lol:

[Commie Girl]

<_< Apparently, these nut jobs are still at it&#33;

Kansas Board Advances a Draft Critical of Evolution

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 10, 2005
TOPEKA, Kan., Aug. 9 (AP) - The State Board of Education has approved the latest draft of science standards that include greater criticism of evolution.

The board approved the draft on Tuesday by a vote to 6 to 4. It then voted to send it to be reviewed by outside academics. The board is expected to give its final approval in October.

The draft says the board is not advocating the teaching of "intelligent design," which contends that some features of the natural world are best explained by an intelligent creator, not evolution. But the language favored by the board does come from advocates of intelligent design.

In a debate on Tuesday, board members opposed to the draft said religion had no place in the science classroom.

"When mainstream science accepts this, we can put them in science classes," said Janet Waugh, who voted against the latest draft of the standards.

Proponents of the draft said they wanted a more balanced view of evolution and cited testimony from a hearing in May featuring advocates of intelligent design.

Kathy Martin, the newest board member and a former science teacher, said that opponents of the draft were overreacting and that Kansas was not going to lose any jobs or technological advancements because evolution was given a critical eye.

"I hope you guys can realize it&#39;s not going to be the end of the world," Ms. Martin said. "I hope you will try to be more open-minded."

The standards are used to develop state tests for 4th, 7th and 10th graders, with local schools having the final say on what is taught in their classrooms. Students will be tested on the new standards in the 2007-8 school year.

In 1999 the Kansas board drew international attention when it deleted most references to evolution from its science standards. Elections the next year resulted in a less conservative board, which led to the current, evolution-friendly standards. Conservatives recaptured the board&#39;s majority in the 2004 elections.

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/10/education/10kansas.html)?

[Redvolution]

Originally posted by 313C7 [email protected] 6 2005, 04:42 PM
This would belong in Chit Chat if it wasn&#39;t a trolling thread against agnostics... I&#39;d trash it again if it would stay there.
Indeed.

Though the letter in the other thread was pretty funny, I can&#39;t say I really enjoyed the cheap shot at agnosticism. Ditching one dogmatism for another, I suppose.

[Ownthink]

Been around for a few months. Is aw it when it was originally posted back in May-June-ish. Excellent and hilarious, though.

[monkeydust]

How the hell did all you folks find out about my personal deity?

[Mr Flibble]

times like this it makes me glad I have forsaken any gods becuase there so many of the damn things

[Nickademus]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 10 2005, 09:31 AM
Shit&#33; I didnt realize this thread was already started. Maybe this one should be trashed??
its been tried but redstar just added it back.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

And so it should stay here. Agnosticism is just as irrational as any religion, and the flying spaghetti monster proves that.

Al Dente.

[DaCuBaN]

Arch Deacon Pony: "Moominists are quick to point out that in fact nowhere in &#39;FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER&#39; does it mention sauce, or meat and that others have been duped into worshipping a false Flying Spaghetti BOLOGNESE Monster."

I&#39;m laughing so hard that I&#39;m crying&#33; Whoever came up with this was truly inspired.

FTR, Agnosticism isn&#39;t about allowing religion free-reign, or even about acknowledging the possibility of the existence of any form of deity, but rather pointing out to (a)theists that "God" is a boring and pointless discussion. Remeber, not asking the questions about God and an Afterlife now leaves that element of surprise - it can give a certain anticipation toward death itself, rather than the morbid fascination of the athiest and the nutty hope of the theist. In short, we just dont&#39; know and frankly shouldn&#39;t care.

Read Skepticism Inc. :)

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 12:23 PM
And so it should stay here. Agnosticism is just as irrational as any religion, and the flying spaghetti monster proves that.
You have a funny idea of what proof is (funny = irrational), but then again, you did quit the debate; so you really didn&#39;t prove the point either did you? Feel free to pick up where you left off :P

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by 313C7 iVi4RX+Aug 16 2005, 12:32 AM--> (313C7 iVi4RX @ Aug 16 2005, 12:32 AM)
[email protected] 15 2005, 12:23 PM
And so it should stay here. Agnosticism is just as irrational as any religion, and the flying spaghetti monster proves that.
You have a funny idea of what proof is (funny = irrational), but then again, you did quit the debate; so you really didn&#39;t prove the point either did you? Feel free to pick up where you left off :P [/b]
Realise that I do in fact have a life outside this forum, shocking as it may sound, but you can make the first move if you wish to pick it up again...

Can YOU prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn&#39;t exist?

[STI]

I can&#33; One time I was eating supper and I was thirsty, then I said "Flying Spaghetti Monster, prove to me that you&#39;re real by getting me a glass of water", and nothing happened. That&#39;s when I stopped believing.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 08:19 PM
Realise that I do in fact have a life outside this forum, shocking as it may sound, but you can make the first move if you wish to pick it up again...
I responded to everything you posted... then you stopped, for months even when addressing the issue elsewhere... hmm.


Can YOU prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn&#39;t exist?

Of course not; the idea is inane and there is no proof to it. Concepts without any basis in reality have to basis for consideration; like god, there is no reason to assert (non)existence. The very idea of making claims on inane concepts is absurd.

There you go; feel free to respond in the debate thread.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2005, 11:23 PM
I can&#33; One time I was eating supper and I was thirsty, then I said "Flying Spaghetti Monster, prove to me that you&#39;re real by getting me a glass of water", and nothing happened. That&#39;s when I stopped believing.
Now that&#39;s funny. High five dude ;)

[Camarada]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/Stancel/churchsign.jpg

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Lawrence Journal World
Evolution debate creates monster

Satirists preach gospel of Flying Spaghetti Monster

Topeka — From Darwin to intelligent design to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The debate over teaching evolution in Kansas public schools has caught the attention of a cross-country Internet community of satirists.

In the past few weeks, hundreds of followers of the supreme Flying Spaghetti Monster have swamped state education officials with urgent e-mails.

They argue that since the conservative majority of the State Board of Education has blessed classroom science standards at the behest of intelligent design supporters, which criticize evolution, they want the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster taught.

“It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” he wrote to the education board.

Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM.

“Clearly, these are just supreme satirists. What they are doing is pointing out that there is no more sense to intelligent design than there is to a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” Wagnon said.

Intelligent design posits that some aspects of biology are so complex, they point toward an intelligent creator.

ID proponents helped shepherd a report and hearings that have resulted in science standards that criticize evolution and have put Kansas in the middle of international attention on the subject.

John Calvert, of Lake Quivira, the lawyer who was instrumental in writing the science standards that criticize evolution, said he had seen the FSM e-mails, and was not impressed.

“You can only use that misinformation so long,” Calvert said. Calvert said the science standards do not promote intelligent design, but show that evolution has its critics.

http://media.ljworld.com/flattened/fsm2.html?education

The first response is cute: "How kind of the Journal-World to legitimize religious bigotry and intolerance."

The Flying Spaghetti Monster will have His noodly revenge on this idiot. :lol:

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[RandomRival]

:lol:

Im catholic but even I laughed my ass off at the pic of the sisteen chapel&#33;


ahhh man this is being book marked :lol:

[Umoja]

But seriously, one agnostic to a sea of atheist.

You can&#39;t prove FSM isn&#39;t having an affair with the Elves that live in Iceland.

But since you can&#39;t prove it, and science is the bais of empirical truth.... well then it&#39;s not really all the relevant now is it?

Good one though Redstar. Funny stuff.

[Red Robe Majere]

Ok reading from the letter.
http://www.venganza.org/

the Kansas school board has allowed the theory of Intelligent Design to get equal time in biology as much as the theory of evolution. so he sent in a letter say if they are going to teach the theory of Intelligent Design as much as the theory of evolution then they should teach his religion a part of the multiple theories of the theory of Intelligent Design which is the Flying spaghetti monster. he says that he will even to take legal action to get it in unless if they prove that the theory Intelligent Design is based off faith than science.