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Commie Girl
4th August 2005, 19:35
Report: U.S. Secretly Held Two Prisoners

By MICHELLE FAUL
Associated Press Writer

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world, Amnesty International charged Wednesday.

Amnesty and human rights lawyers argued that the report added to long-standing claims that the United States has held "secret detainees" in its war on terror.

"We fear that what we have heard from these two men is just one small part of the much broader picture of U.S. secret detentions around the world," Sharon Critoph, a researcher at Amnesty International who interviewed the men in Yemen, told The Associated Press by telephone.

Navy Lt. Commander Flex Plexico, noting that it was difficult to respond to a report he hasn't seen said, "We have said many times that the Department of Defense does not engage in the practice of renditions" - the transfer of terror suspects to third countries without court approval.

Plexico, a spokesman for the department, said it was important to note that training manuals of al Qaida terrorist network "emphasize the tactic of making false abuse allegations."

U.S. officials have denied allegations of secret detention facilities, saying they hold terror suspects only at the U.S. Naval base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In June, U.S. officials denied a suggestion from the U.N.'s special expert on torture, Manfred Nowak, that some undeclared holding areas could include American ships cruising international waters. Others have suggested "high-value" detainees could be held secretly in Diego Garcia, a British-held island in the Indian Ocean that the United States rents as a strategic military base.

Lawyers who represent detainees at Guantanamo have long believed that the CIA or other U.S. government agencies have used clandestine jails for terror suspects.

"The fact that there are underground CIA facilities somewhere where people are being tortured has been known for a while," Michael Ratner of the U.S. Center for Constitutional Rights in New York City told the AP in a telephone interview.

In the report released in Washington, Amnesty said it interviewed Salah Nasser Salim Ali and Muhammad Faraj Ahmed Bashmilah in a jail in Yemen in late June. The group also spoke to a Yemeni government official who said the men were being held in that country only because it was a condition of their release from U.S. custody.

Ali told the rights group that he was originally detained in Indonesia in August 2003 and then flown several days later to Jordan; Bashmilah said he was detained in Jordan in October 2003 while on a trip to visit his mother.

Both men claimed they were tortured by Jordanian intelligence agents for four days and then flown to what they believe were underground jails in an unknown location.

Once there, they were held in solitary confinement for more than 18 months, interrogated daily by U.S. guards and blared Western music all day and night. No charges were ever filed against them, they said.

The men said their first jail was underground, surrounded by high walls and that it took more than 4 hours to fly there from Jordan. After six to eight months they were transferred to a modern prison run by U.S. officials a three-hour plane journey away that also appeared to be underground.


Source (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SECRET_DETENTIONS?SITE=APWEB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Of course, you might say, the terrorists lie! and the U$ ALWAYS tells the truth:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ele'ill
5th August 2005, 00:19
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- Two Yemeni men say they were held in solitary confinement in secret, underground U.S. detention facilities in an unknown country and interrogated by masked men for more than 18 months without being charged or allowed any contact with the outside world, Amnesty International charged Wednesday.

I could be wrong but...
when did amnesty international become a political entity?

How did they know the distance? When you're scared or experiencing new things such as first day of a new job time flies. I'm confused. I hope that many of these cases get justice however too many false claims are being filed against detention centers and such so many of the real incidents are either un reported or snuffed.

redstar2000
5th August 2005, 15:57
Originally posted by Mari3L
...however too many false claims are being filed against detention centers...

Where'd you get that idea???

Oh, that torture stuff, I just made all that up...

???

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Commandante_Ant
5th August 2005, 16:14
Guantanamo Bay is the prime example of how detainee centers shouldnt be. Its just so destructive. Granted, a few of the people at the base may indeed be terrorists and if so, deserve punishment. But it seems to me that American intelligence is up their own arse and so poor that a lot of people are found to be innocent after suffering day after day for months on end.

And it REALLY wouldnt surprise me to hear that there are other detainee centers. In fact, i expect it of the US.

Bannockburn
6th August 2005, 01:48
Don't forget extra-ordinary rendition.

Ele'ill
8th August 2005, 01:25
Where'd you get that idea???

Oh, that torture stuff, I just made all that up...

???

There may have been incidents of torture however the extent of what actually happens is unknown. This doesn't make it any less severe however the notion that every single complaint of torture is legitimate is simply insane. Many being detained are enemies of the US. They found a loophole that is the justice system and they will exploit that if they can. (which is what some of them are doing) As for the legitimate cases of mistreatment, they will go unheard or will be ignored. ;)

CoyoteCzarfish
8th August 2005, 01:32
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2005, 12:25 AM

Where'd you get that idea???

Oh, that torture stuff, I just made all that up...

???

There may have been incidents of torture however the extent of what actually happens is unknown. This doesn't make it any less severe however the notion that every single complaint of torture is legitimate is simply insane. Many being detained are enemies of the US. They found a loophole that is the justice system and they will exploit that if they can. (which is what some of them are doing) As for the legitimate cases of mistreatment, they will go unheard or will be ignored. ;)
much like our internal justice system.

I concur.

The U.S.'s So-called "war on terrorism" is more a propaganda war than anything else, and they haven't quite realized it.

I could agree that Guantanamo Bay isn't doing us any good at least to the relations to the rest of the world.

A lot of them are really bad people but we should get them some sort of justice system nonetheless. Leaving them where they are just makes us more enemies.

As for torture accusations, I do think they should all be investigated although if there is massive amounts of them the quality of investigations will go down dramatically.

Ele'ill
8th August 2005, 01:40
As for torture accusations, I do think they should all be investigated although if there is massive amounts of them the quality of investigations will go down dramatically.

The quality will go down to the point where the injustice at the detention centers will spread to the investigation groups and it will continue to spread.