guess i missed something

[...and justice for all??]

Communism is described as a classless society... but to make it work, it could not be classless. Some or someone would need to take a government role to decide who does what, putting them above the common worker. also the job difference would make things unfair... (the person cleaning the garbage would have a worse job than say the teacher), which would cause problems. i guess im saying i dont understand how a communist run society could function without a strong government, but that strong government would be put as a higher class than the common person... which seems to defy the purpose.

granted the tacher garbage man analogy was an opinion, but you get the point...

please explain, because im sure i missed somthing

...thanks

[monkeydust]

Government is undertaken in a classless manner as well, most people assume through direct democracy. What that means is that you don't have some fixed, centralized and unchinging governmental autorirty, but rather officials elected or chosen by lot and instantly recallable to administer affairs. Decisions, such as they are, will be made by majority vote in most cases - some people have suggested some form of "e democracy" using the Internet.

In terms of jobs, I suppose it depends what you consider "undesirable". Some people might genuinely want to become cleaners rather than teachers. For jobs that no one wants to do it should be quite possible to distribute the labour between a large number of people - meaning that no one has to do to much of it, but most have to do some.

[Vincent]

In response the jobs 'issue'...

It certainly DOES depend on what you consider a 'desriable' job, in capitalism. You must remember that in a communist society there wouldn't be the differences in jobs as people normally think of... ie a lawyer or doctor is 'better' than being a garbage collector or a janitor because of the pay difference. When money isn't an issue, or cannot possibly be an issue, it becomes a matter of who is BEST for which job.

Sure, people say 'oh it'd be great to be a doctor, you get lots of money', but in a communist society money is not involved therefore the reasons for working change. Although you can't seem to comprehend it, there ARE people that WANT to make our world cleaner and healthier and those would be the people who would do that work. However, it's my belief that our environment is seomthing that all humans are responsible for taking care of, so I would want this type of work to be shared. But that is irrelevant.

The point is, there is NO 'money', therefore people aren't going to want to be PAID more for their work because its 'undesirable', nor will people want other jobs just for the reason that its 'nicer' to be a teacher or a musician or whatever, they would have to be inclined towards teaching and nurturing young minds etc.

And as a general response...

It seems that you are one of those with the idea that people would run around crazy doing wahtever they wanted in communism. That is, in my opinion a direct result of the capitalist society we live in; it seems that we are brought up believing that we NEED great leader or a boss to keep us under control, and thus it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy- in the immediate context we have the versions of Marxism, like Maoism or Stalinism, that propose that we NEED a higher power to direct society to communism. In a broader view, we can see it in the way so many people jsut live their lives as numb, mindless employees, just accepting the 'fact' that there will always be 'the boss'.

[Scars]

In a Communist society running along Democratic Centralist lines all decisions are made collectively, with everyone putting forward their opinions. There are no defined specific leaders. As for money, as has been said, wages don't exist in a Communist society, everyone is provided with everything that they need in order to live a happy life.

A couple of articles explaining such things-

For Communist Economics and Communist Power:
http://www.plp.org/pl_magazine/commecon.html

AND

On Democratic Centralism:
http://www.plp.org/pl_magazine/democent.html

[violencia.Proletariat]

now if this "bad job" thought carries over it will either be shared, as in everyone will do this job a couple hours a week, or the people who do the job have first dibs on scarce luxuries.