Anti Terrorism in Italy

[Freigemachten]

In a huge infringement on civil and religious rights Italy is passing all kinds of legislatio, primarily against Muslims. Several bans have been enacted as well as a few disgusting invasions of privacy.
check this out (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16110721%5E2703,00.html)
Give me some feed back, I'd like to hear what you all think.

[Gust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2005, 12:25 AM
ITALY has banned Islamic burqas under tough terrorism laws that provide two-year jail terms and E2000 ($3200) fines for anyone caught covering their face in a public place.

The counter-terrorism package, passed by Italy's parliament yesterday, doubles the existing penalty for wearing a burqa or chador -- traditional robes worn by Muslim women to cover their faces -- or full-faced helmets or balaclavas in public.

Police can extract DNA samples without a suspect's consent, detain them for 24 hours without a lawyer present, and deport foreigners suspected of terrorism under the new legislation. Soldiers involved in counter-terrorism have been given the same stop-and-search powers.
Do I really need to say anything?

That's fucking disgusting... :angry:

[Freigemachten]

I heard about it listening to conservative radio (a past time of mine, I like to laugh at the lunacy of the right) Michael Savage of The Savage Nation was praising Italian politicians and announced that this was the way things should be from now on, that America should be adopting this policy in the next few years.

[redstar2000]

This story is actually rather unclear. A burqa -- as I understand it -- is "the tent"...covering everything except the hands and the eyes.

But the focus of this legislation seems to be "covering the face"...so it could be used against, for example, anarchist "black bloc" demonstrators.

Either way, of course, it's entirely irrelevant to "terrorism"...especially "suicide bombers" who are indifferent to being identified considering the outcome of their "mission".

It is possible that the odious Silvio Berlusconi is simply attempting to make some political hay out of anti-Muslim sentiment in Italy...since his coalition is facing defeat in the next Italian general elections.

But banning the burqa is ok with me...in my view, it's a badge of female humiliation and getting rid of it is a step forward in any country.

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[Freigemachten]

Redstar I'm gonna have to oppose your being against burqas, wearing of the burqa is a choice. it is not manditory outside of muslim countries, if you want to be against it in those countries thats fine, but in countries where it is a choice to wear the burqa or not, we have to support the right either way.

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by Freigemachten
it is not mandatory outside of muslim countries, if you want to be against it in those countries thats fine, but in countries where it is a choice to wear the burqa or not, we have to support the right either way.

Why?

A Muslim woman in the "west" is not legally compelled to "dress like a nun"...but what of all the cultural pressures on her? Her family, her community, etc., tell her that if she doesn't put on the symbols of female inferiority, then "she's a whore".

I think getting rid of it entirely is a terrific idea...it serves no social purpose except to symbolize a superstitious reverence for male superiority.

Who needs that crap?

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[Ian]

I'm not against the banning of Burqa's, I'm actually more concerned that the complaints in this thread have been about their banning and not about the threats this poses to the 'black bloc' or anyone else who chooses to cover their faces at protests.

It doesn't effect us if Burqa's are banned. It directly affects the effectiveness of blocs, which concerns us far more than some terrible religious costume.

[Thomas]

Is this the end of halloween?

[Commandante_Ant]

Is the italian government playing a late, late April Fools? This law makes a mockery of Italian politics. However, its the sort of thing you expect from a country rife with corruption in all facets of life, with Berlusconi being investigated for fruad etc. If it wasnt so serious, i'd laugh.

I dont agree with Islamic women wearing the Burqas, i feel its derogatory and old fashioned. Surely people should move on from the lifestyles of centuries past? This law, this shows that there really is no such thing as Human Rights for ethnic groups. Its a disgrace that the Italian government can throw people out of their country for "being suspected" of terrorism, even though they may be peace-loving people. The same could be happening soon in Britain and i dont agree with it. Throw them out, they'll stick attack us. There are still ways. I'm actually pretty angry at the Italian government with these new "terrorism" laws.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Burqa Bloc? Reimaging symbols of religious patriaarchy and control of female sexuality as symbols of fighting cops?

No, that's just a bad idea, nevermind.

You know, they should really ban Nun's habits too . . . :lol:

[Elect Marx]

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